Can it get any more bizzare? Haggard accuser fails polygraph!

[Dr.Phool]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

After Haggard sends an e-mail admitting indescretions to flock.

Via TPM

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4597552

Haggard's accuser fails lie detector
By Mike McPhee
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated:11/03/2006 09:21:34 AM MST



Ted Haggard's accuser failed a polygraph test early this morning about the truthfulness of his accusations that he had had a three-year homosexual affair with the influential Colorado Springs minister.

The test was given to Michael Jones, 49, an admitted male prostitute, who made the allegations on the Peter Boyles Show on radio station KHOW Thursday morning.

The shocking allegations were denied by Haggard, who told KUSA-9News he never took part in a homosexual affair and had always been faithful to his wife, with whom he has 5 children.

So Boyles invited Jones to take a polygraph test at 5 a.m. this morning.

The test administrator, John Kresnik, said Jones' score indicated "deceptions" in his answers. However, Kresnik said he doubted the accuracy of the test he administered because of the recent stress on Jones and his inability to eat or sleep, according to KHOW producer Greg Hollenback.

Kresnik suggested that Jones be re-tested early next week after he was rested.

[Beelzebud]

1. There is a reason lie detector tests aren't admissable in a court.

They aren't very accurate.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. exactly. way too many false positives and too many false negatives.

a whole bunch of factors come into play. Since more lie detectors rely on physical responses, any stress or tension would bring out a response that is measured. Then again, there are something like 14% of the population that are totally immune to lie detector factors. Some are pathological liars, others just don't respond in a measurable fashion to any question ot topic.

I understand that the Military has been experimenting with a kind of long distance, remote, brain scan that might be able to interp the thoughts of a person answering questions - a real lie detector. Of course, the White house might have problems with that technology getting out into the public.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. Polygraphs are crap

I took one once for a job, that I didn't care whether or not I got, and lied my butt off. I passed with flying colors.

[reichstag911]

10. Ditto...

...about the only "lie" it caught me on was one of my rare truthful answers!

[Birthmark]

15. I did the exact same thing

With the same results you got.

Fun fact: The polygraph was invented by the same guy who created the comic book character "Wonder Woman." I think WW is somewhat more believable. Then again, I WANT to believe in WW. :)

[Bouncy Ball]

24. Yep.

If you are good at breathing easily, thus slowing down your heart rate and making your body relax, you could say you were the Queen of England and it wouldn't register as a lie. I've done it. Well, not the Queen of England part, LOL, but as part of an experiment when I was an undergrad, the graduate psych students had us say things we knew weren't true on a polygraph test and I passed with flying colors. It reported everything I said as true!

From that point on, I felt they were a bunch of bunk.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. That's exactly what I did

Ommmmm.....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. polygraph tests don't work.

The fact that he was willing to take it says more than the actual test.

[NoSheep]

4. "After Haggard sends an e-mail admitting indescretions to flock."

Where can we get info on the admission by Haggard? This piece says he denies it.

[cwydro]

9. I wanna know too

please post if you hear. I'm stuck at work.

[malaise]

19. Here

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

[Dr.Phool]

22. Right here

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4597813

Haggard admits some indiscretions
By Eric Gorski
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated:11/03/2006 10:26:59 AM MST



The New Life Church minister who has temporarily taken over for accused leader Ted Haggard stated in an e-mail to parishoners late Thursday night that Haggard confessed to some indiscretions alleged by a homosexual prostitute.

The e-mail from Pastor Ross Parsley, which went out at 11 p.m., stated, "It is important for you to know that he (Haggard) confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true.

"He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation."

[NoSheep]

35. Thank you both. This is a 3-Ring Circus!

The wild part: We know they are corrupt and full of shit. I'm so glad the duped are being shown the truth.

[madokie]

5. no it cannot get any more bizzare

if the test are flawed why even report on it.

[progressivebydesign]

6. Sorry.. but this whole polygraph test is bullshit...

"deceptions" in his answer is not failing a tests. READ the entire article... the guy was in the midst of big time stress. He shouldn't be taking tests right now anyway. WHy are some people pushing this? When Haggard has already confessed to "some indiscretions" and a voice analyst for a news station has said it's haggard on the messages asking for meth.

[Dr.Phool]

13. Read my post. I'm laughing my ass off.

This goof probably could have used the polygraph to convince some of the morans in his flock he's innocent. At least until the voice analysis.

[progressivebydesign]

32. Oh duh. I get it it.. the ROTFL thing.

The voice analysis apparently came back very badly for the de-flocked Haggard.

[Marnieworld]

7. On The Wire recently

They had a scene with a lie detector test. After it was over the "expert" explained to the new homicide cop, "It can be whatever you want it to be. You want it pass, fail, inconclusive? Whatever you need. It's just used as leverage."

Never take one, they can only hurt you and it's junk science.

[Subdivisions]

8. Polygraphs are a joke...may as well be equivalent to snake oil

[skypilot]

11. recent stress...inability to eat or sleep...

...and then a polygraph at 5 a.m.?? No wonder even the test administrator is doubtful.

[davidinalameda]

18. the headline of the article is completely misleading

[Lex]

14. Haggard accuser may be hiding something & that can throw the polygraph

but Haggard's already confessed to what the guy said, right?

[Cocoa]

16. Jones can't be completely honest

it appears to me he has to be careful because of the drug deal.

[Lex]

21. Yes, I think that if you are nervous

(about drug use for instance) then it can throw off the polygraph results.

:shrug:

[AlCzervik]

17. Was Haggard as any of the "Justice Sunday" events i wonder?

[Initech]

28. No, he wasnt.

That would have made this even more interesting!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Sunday_(conservative_Christian_event)

[AlCzervik]

31. oh he was at Justice Sunday 2, here is the pic

4th from the right.

[Bouncy Ball]

36. Is he standing behind Tom DeLay? ROFL.

[helderheid]

20. And yet he is now ADMITTING to "some" of the allegations!

:rofl:

[mhatrw]

23. He's a meth addict, folks. Of course, he failed the polygraph. n/t

[Wickerman]

26. He didn't fail - the POLYGRAPH failed

Friggen headline writers. Kresnik is saying the test failed to accurately detect deception; not that Jones proved to be untruthful. Love or hate the polygraph at least get the information the administrator offered. :eyes:

[Cleita]

27. I can't believe they still accept lie detector results.

You can lie on them and pass. On the other hand you can be telling the truth and fail. I worked for a company that insisted on lie detector tests for new hires. Since I was put in charge of the personnel duties, when my boss decided he'd rather not, I found the tests to be really unreliable. Background checks were far more accurate in assessing a prospective employee's suitability for the job. IMHO.

What they need to do is an old fashioned investigation into his past and Haggard's past particulary following the money. Then they will have proof.

[Raffi Ella]

29. lol. Poor Haggard.

Seriously though I saw his alleged lover and I believed him.Now that Haggard has admitted to 'some' indescrition there is no doubt in my mind that the allegations are true.

[OzarkDem]

30. Administrator of the test said Jones' result not reliable

from the linked article:

The test administrator, John Kresnik, said Jones' score indicated "deceptions" in his answers. However, Kresnik said he doubted the accuracy of the test he administered because of the recent stress on Jones and his inability to eat or sleep, according to KHOW producer Greg Hollenback.

[SouthernBelle82]

33. So what I'm wondering is

why did he admit and has Haggard had a test yet?

[Beetwasher]

34. Well, He Probably WAS Deceptive

It was probably a ten year affair, not a three year affair.