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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:05 PM
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who never heard of Haggard until yesterday???
When I saw the 1st posts about him, I was thinking Merle Haggard.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:05 PM
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1. Me. But he does look familiar. n/t
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:06 PM
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2. Me me me me me!
:D
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:06 PM
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3. *raises hand*
I musta lost my copy of evangelical hypocrits for dummies
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:06 PM
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4. Never heard of him.
I always knew him as "Art".
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:06 PM
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5. Everyone at FreeRepublic and the Whitehouse.
:shrug:
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:09 PM
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10. LOL!! n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:00 PM
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34. lol
D'oh :rofl:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:07 PM
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6. I hadn't
But I guess he's well known in the evangelical community. Pat Robertson is apparently trying his hardest to tapdance away from him.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:07 PM
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7. raises hand n/t
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:07 PM
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8. How were we to have heard about him?
Most of us aren't meth users who get serviced by gay prostitutes.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:11 PM
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16. Spitting coffee on key board- LOL! n/t
n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:13 PM
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19. .
:rofl:
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:08 PM
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9. He used to live in Tulsa. Graduated from Oral Roberts University.
I thought he looked familiar... :wow:

Now I know why!
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obnoxiousdrunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:10 PM
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13. Never heard of
Timmy who had graduated from ORAL University.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:12 PM
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17. "oral" being the operative word here. n/t
n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:15 PM
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21. Years ago, I used to hang out at Gene's Bamboo Lounge. Met
a LOT of ORU students there. :D
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:17 PM
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22. Yep. The guys in the "World Action Singers" were always, um,
well, shall we just say "ready to have a good time with a stranger"?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:25 PM
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23. I remember these guys loved to play "Is that all there is" on the jukebox.
:D
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:09 PM
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11. I'd heard about him from article in Harper's last year
I think someone posted the link yesterday.

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:10 PM
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12. Read "The Sinner's Guide to the Evangelical Right"
Not only is is hilarious, it's got tons of info on Mr Ted "Jesus Hates You" Haggard :)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:08 PM
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38. I had no idea....but then I didn't know who Hagee or Dobson were until
posts here on DU and then one weekend I decided to turn on one of those religious channels and saw that bloviating Hagee.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:10 PM
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14. I recognized his face immediately
But not his name.I had no idea he was such a big wig in the Republican/Evangelical community though.
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:11 PM
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15. Never heard of him either
My knowledge of fundie preachers is quite limited.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:12 PM
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18. If you follow the fundies, you know
I've been keeping an eye on religious nutjobs of all stripes for over 30 years.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:14 PM
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20. I never heard of him before yesterday.
I avoid fundie preachers as much as possible. The only ones I know about are Robertson, Falwell and Dobson, and that's only because I can't avoid knowing about them. I truly hate the lying hypocritical bastards and tend to give them a wide berth.

Nice to know I'm in good company. I just saw the male hooker Mike Jones on MSNBC and *HE* didn't know who his client "Art" really was until about six months ago!
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:26 PM
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24. Another axis of evil:
Evangelicals in America

This is an excerpt from Time Magazine. Complete article available at http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050207/

The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America

American Evangelicalism seems to defy unity, let alone hierarchy. Yet its members share basic commitments. TIME's list focuses on those whose influence is on the rise or who have carved out a singular role


TED HAGGARD

Opening Up the Umbrella Group

At a meeting with President Bush in November 2003, after nearly an hour of jovial Oval Office chat, the Rev. Ted Haggard, 48, got serious. He argued against Bush-imposed steel tariffs on the grounds that free markets foster economic growth, which helps the poor. A month later, the White House dropped the tariffs. Haggard wasn't alone in faulting the policy, and he doesn't claim to be the impetus, but as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, he gets listened to. He represents 30 million conservative Christians spread over 45,000 churches from 52 diverse denominations. Every Monday he participates in the West Wing conference call with evangelical leaders. The group continues to prod the President to campaign aggressively for a federal marriage amendment. "We wanted him to use the force of his office to actively lobby the Congress and Senate, which he did not adequately do," says Haggard. He is also working to broaden his group's agenda. A document issued last fall offered a theological justification for civic activism by U.S. Evangelicals, calling on them to protect the environment, promote global religious and political freedom and human rights, safeguard "wholesome family life," care for the poor and oppose racism. Says Haggard: "With the growth of Evangelicalism worldwide, we have to be involved in political and social action to impact the culture worldwide."

. . .

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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:29 PM
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25. That creature had escaped my notice ...
I'll have to admit that it took me a few minutes to identify "Merle"
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:35 PM
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26. Read the incredible, amazing Harper's article
on him, so I knew all about the freak. (btw, the author of said article has a diary over at kos under the name Ishmael).
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:36 PM
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27. Me. Shame on me.
I try to keep tabs on the theocrats. This one must have just crawled out from under a rock (of meth :evilgrin: ) or something.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:51 PM
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28. Read about him in Harper's a while ago
Soldiers of Christ
Inside America's most powerful megachurch with Pastor Ted Haggard
Posted on Thursday, November 2, 2006. Originally from May 2005. By Jeff Sharlet.

http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist-20061103288348488.html

Snip

Pastor Ted, who talks to President George W. Bush or his advisers every Monday, is a handsome forty-eight-year-old Indianan, most comfortable in denim. He likes to say that his only disagreement with the President is automotive; Bush drives a Ford pickup, whereas Pastor Ted loves his Chevy. In addition to New Life, Pastor Ted presides over the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), whose 45,000 churches and 30 million believers make up the nation's most powerful religious lobbying group, and also over a smaller network of his own creation, the Association of Life-Giving Churches, 300 or so congregations modeled on New Life's “free market” approach to the divine.

Snip
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:51 PM
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29. I had never heard of him until yesterday
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:52 PM
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30. I wouldn't know a Haggard if I was pissin on one......n/t
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:58 PM
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31. My first thought (and hope) when I saw the original post...
Was that someone had misspelled "Hastert."
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:59 PM
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32. I think I have seen him on one of those Fundie type
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 04:07 PM by StephenB48
TV stations. I haven't figured how to block channels on my cable box yet, so I occasionally see him
talking to someone on his show, with his quite zoned-out wife sitting beside him, nodding and nodding like one of those Bobble-Head dolls.

She is so zombie-looking that I have to assume they are both "pod people".

Not surprised he went out looking for some strange, but was totally blown away (pun maybe or maybe not intended) to see he swung that way.

Amazing how much stuff you find when you raise those rocks.

on edit: I got him confused with some other Fundie, but that doesn't mean he is not one of the Pod People. :hide:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:59 PM
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33. Raising hand
:hi:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:00 PM
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35. hand up
I don't pay much attention to hypocrites so I can understand why I hadn't.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:04 PM
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36. I wouldn't have recognised the name, but he was in a Richard Dawkins
documentary that aired a few months back. Here's a clip from it on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:06 PM
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37. I hadn't either!
We've been mercifully spared him in Britain - though I have certainly heard about people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson; and, from an earlier scandal, Jim and Tammy Bakker.

There is a satirical song I remember from a while ago:

"...If I say I believe, then to Heaven I'll go.
Though I steal all your money, and run off with your wife,
If I say I believe, I'll have an eternal life!"

Can anyone identify this?
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