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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:46 PM
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Evangelical Leaders Comment on Haggard Accusation
Evangelical Leaders Comment on Haggard Accusation

Contact Dane Rose, National Clergy Council, 202-546-8329, ext 106.


WASHINGTON, Nov. 3 /Christian Newswire/ -- The Reverend Rob Schenck, president of the Evangelical dominated National Clergy Council in Washington, DC, and chairman of the Committee on Church and Society for the Evangelical Church Alliance, America's oldest association of Evangelical clergy, released this statement today on the resignation of the Reverend Ted Haggard from the presidency of the National Association of Evangelicals:


"Ted Haggard has denied the allegations made against him. So far, there is only one accuser. The Bible says no man is to be condemned on the testimony of a single accuser. We must prayerfully wait out the investigative process and continue to judge by the evidence.


"Should this accusation prove true, it will only be another in a long history of human failure. The Bible says if we say we have no sin, we lie and the truth is not in us. Evangelical Christianity does not rest on frail and sinful human beings, but on a just and righteous God in who 'changes not.


"We should pray for Ted Haggard, his family and church and for his accuser that the truth be made known, repentance follows and restoration for all who may be affected."


http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/956071406.html
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:48 PM
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1. "The Bible says no man is to be condemned on the testimony of a single accuser"
Hmm... I'll have to look that up.

Also, this explains why rape isn't a crime to these bozos.
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:48 PM
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3. lol
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 03:49 PM by texasleo
great minds...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:04 PM
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13. Would the recorded messages on an answering machine count as accuser #2?
or am I splitting hairs.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:04 PM
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14. Unless the person accused is a Democrat...?
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:13 PM
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15. These hypocrite bastards sure didn't mind putting all their eggs in one basket for one accuser
when that accuser was trying to bring down Bill Clinton's presidency.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:23 PM
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16. "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose" (Shakespeare).
The Merchant of Venice Act 1, Scene 3

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:34 PM
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17. Ah! Perfect observation Demo Tex!
Makes sense... Thanks!
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:48 PM
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2. "no man is to be condemned on the testimony of a single accuser"
:wtf:
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:53 PM
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5. To these guys, the legal standards of Bronze Age goat-herders...
Have greater weight than actual US laws.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:59 PM
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7. Turns out to be as we suspected...
Total horse apples...

The bible *ONLY* refers to one accuser.

8 He who vindicates me is near.
Who then will bring charges against me?
Let us face each other!
Who is my accuser?
Let him confront me!

9 It is the Sovereign LORD who helps me.
Who is he that will condemn me?
They will all wear out like a garment;
the moths will eat them up.

I guess they use a different Bible these days.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:15 PM
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8. Surely that isn't where he thinks that comes from

That area of Isaiah is about keeping the covenant between the Jews and God during the Babylonian exile and the coming of the Messiah.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:33 PM
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9. These guys will use any convenient snippet to justify their views...
It's been done for hundreds of years.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:00 PM
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11. Could be Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:50 PM
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4. But they are happy to condemn anyone who does not follow
their rules.

HIPOCRITICAL MORANS
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 03:54 PM
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6. Hmmm...this is interesting
From Rev. Schenck, "So far, there is only one accuser. The Bible says no man is to be condemned on the testimony of a single accuser. We must prayerfully wait out the investigative process and continue to judge by the evidence."
Apparently, though, they think it's ok for Dubya to be the sole "decider" of who is guilty, and whether they live or die. So does this mean Dubya can overrule what the Bible says?
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:43 PM
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10. ya know
You're just too damn logical!





Cher


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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:00 PM
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19. What can I say?
:shrug: I'm a Democrat.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:03 PM
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12. Haven't they notice that Haggard has admitted
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 05:03 PM by DoYouEverWonder
to most of this story?


The headline on NYT right now says,

Evangelical Leader Says He Bought Drugs


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IHaveADream Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:39 PM
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18. wait until the tapes come out
the phone conversations with male escort Mike Jones should be released soon.


Ted and his Masseuse
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