Is Bush gay?

[smoogatz]

I mean, you kind of have to ask yourself. He seems to surround himself with closeted gay men--even to the point of sneaking them into the White House disguised as reporters. What's up with that?

[RobertSeattle]

1. In my best Seinfeld: Not that there is anything Presidentially wrong with that

:evilgrin:

[Marnieworld]

2. Only in the sense that he is in love with himself

Nah, but you have to wonder why he wants to legislate against all of his many many friends.

[TechBear_Seattle]

5. And why so many of his friends are helping him.

They really are a sorry, self-hating bunch, aren't they?

[Maven]

3. Again with this?

NO. HE'S NOT. He's just evil. Not everyone you don't like is gay, even if they're around people who are.

:argh:

[Infinite Hope]

7. He's been noted as having gay sexual meetings in the past n/t

[Maven]

8. Really?

Provide some proof. Until then, stop applying the label like it's the new "communist."

[ronnykmarshall]

58. You tell 'em Hedy!

I'm sick of this shit.

[americanstranger]

70. That's HEDLEY.

:)

- as

[cool user name]

101. What's wrong with communists?

:D

[foreigncorrespondent]

32. Oh boy!

I heard the RUMORS about he and Victor Ashe too, but the difference between you and me is, I realize without proof they are just that RUMORS. People like you take it as the word of God.

[LostinVA]

72. Give me a break -- this is pathetic

It's as bad as that book that came out a few years ago saying all the head Nazis were gay.

BULLSHIT.

Either provide some FACTS or knock off the baiting... because that's what you're doing, and you OH SO know it.

[Missy M]

18. How can you be so sure?

I'll bet no one ever dreamed Haggard would be in the place he is now.

[Maven]

20. I CAN'T

I just object to the label being used as a scarlet letter.

Until YOU can be sure, don't bring it up. It's insulting.

[reichstag911]

25. Please...

...it's not the label of "gay" that's "the scarlet letter," it's the shameless hypocrisy of the RW douchebags who campaign on "Do as I say, not as I do."

[Maven]

29. Good, well then we already know that Bush, like most

"devoutly" religious people, is a hypocrite. Mystery solved, gay or not. :eyes:

[ThomCat]

36. Then call him a hypocrit

instead of calling him gay.

And have some evidence for it. Until then, calling people gay and making gay jokes about them just because they're on the other side is insulting to gay people.

Presumed Gayness IS being used like a scarlet letter and I'm getting sick of it too!

[reichstag911]

41. Listen here, Mr....

..."gay, vegan, disabled, nominally jewish/neopagan/agnostic Technology Management Consultant" who votes: the OP strictly asked whether Bush is gay. There were no jokes there, and it's a reasonable issue to raise -- especially if it can be used to damage him amongst the fundie base -- given his ever-expanding circle of hypocritical gay political allies and advisors.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. Wow. You do have a lot of venom in you, don't you?

I consider myself very fortunate to know Thom in real life and very fortunate to NOT KNOW you.

:eyes:

[Maven]

47. Good.

We're happy to be either your battering ram or your scapegoat.

Just let us know the schedule, it gets confusing.

[foreigncorrespondent]

50. What would be reasonable is...

...for you to actually listen to how offended gay people tell you they get over this shit, rather than have you throwing the insults that you have thrown out here and continue to throw out.

[Bluebear]

65. Holy mackerel, that was hateful.

Why this disproportionate reaction?

[LostinVA]

79. Why the nasty personal attack against the poster?

[LeftyMom]

96. Did you just unload on ThomCat?

Do. Not. Do. That. There will not be a second warning.

[foreigncorrespondent]

43. No!

The true scarlet letter here is the fact that every time this kind of shit comes up here, the people using it are the ones hiding behind the "its the hypocrisy" bullshit line.

Well it is about damn time those same people realize just how bloody well insulting it is for us gay DUers to see this shit. To us it is using being gay as a negative rather than as a positive (positive is how people who claim to progressive should be using it.)

[Maven]

46. True

Funny how difficult it was to be positive when the marriage decision came down.

But then again, they're just being negative because it's the hypocrisy, right? To "help" us.

[LostinVA]

77. Totally wrong -- then the OP would say, "BUsh is a hypocrite."

The INSULT is "gay."

I'm tired of this shit on here -- hiding homophobia behind "hypocrisy."

[smoogatz]

94. It's implied, for God's sake.

That's the whole point.

[Missy M]

31. I don't think most people on DU would be using it as a ...

Scarlett letter, including me. It's about their stand on gays and gay marriage that makes me angry and I don't understand how they can preach against it the way they do.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

48. There's the right way to point out the hypocrisy and the wrong way to point out the hypocrisy.

Many people on DU like to just crack gay jokes and then hide behind "I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy." That's bullshit.

[smoogatz]

22. I like gay people, generally speaking.

I'm actually half serious in asking the question. He acts like a guy who's driven by what he thinks is a deep, dark secret. He surrounds himslef with closeted, self-hating gay men. It strikes me there might be a connection.

[Maven]

28. If that's actually true, have a little respect for the amount of CRAP

that has come our way here since the NJ decision.

This thread was unnecessary, no matter how "half-serious" you were.

Again, just because someone is repressed and hateful does not make them a closetcase. Frankly, I can't imagine him having sex with ANYONE. Nor can I imagine someone that shallow and stupid having a "deep, dark secret."

Until you have some evidence, spare us.

[smoogatz]

33. My apologies if this thread offends you.

Seriously. But I still think it's a valid question at this point. Sort of.

On edit: I support the NJ decision--and its timing--100%. Just so you know.

[Maven]

35. A non-apology

Thanks.

[smoogatz]

40. Actually, no.

I apologized for having offended you, and I meant it. But I also think it's interesting that Bush surrounds himself with self-hating gay men. Am I not allowed to think that? Or ask questions about it? I'll answer for you: of course I am.

[foreigncorrespondent]

59. Only...

...if you want to look really, REALLY stupid to the people reading you. (see my post #57 to see why you look really ridiculous right now.)

[foreigncorrespondent]

57. Look...

...just because people surround themselves with closeted gay people... well that doesn't actually make them gay, if it did, then with the amount of straight people I have in my life, I should be straight.

[smoogatz]

64. Are they closeted, self-loathing straight people

who bash other straight people in order to gain political power? Then maybe you are.

[foreigncorrespondent]

88. Yes the are.

They are usually called misogynists.

So maybe I'm not. After all, I simply adore woman, and am just totally in love with one.

[smoogatz]

93. Anyway--

You realize you're putting words in my mouth, right? I didn't suggest that Bush had become gay by hanging out with closeted, self-loathing gay men. I inferred that his apparent affinity for the company of such men might be significant. See the diff?

[JuniperLea]

67. I'm straight

And I've had many closeted gay people around me... I used to work for a couple.

They weren't pushovers either. Good, clean, honest, hard-working, kind-hearted people.

[Infinite Hope]

4. Self-loathing just like Hitler n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

53. So what evil dictators aren't gay?

:eyes:

[foreigncorrespondent]

60. Exactly!

If they are evil... well fuck man, that makes them gay.

haruka, I guess you and I are going to end up being evil dictator lesbians. LOL

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

61. Well...

Priyanka and I have already started the Lesbian Mafia. We do things like go apple-picking.

:rofl:

[smoogatz]

76. Stalin. Idi Amin. Mao. Pol Pot. I'm sure there are lots more.

In fact, Hitler was probably a straight submissive. He seemed to go for the strict mommy type.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

82. Okay, just checking to see if we're making shit up about all dictators or only some.

[smoogatz]

87. I'm just making shit up about Bush.

Note that I did ask whether Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Pickles, Barney or Tony Snow--all thoroughly vile specimens--were gay. Just Bush.

On edit: insert "not" between "did" and "ask." Time for a martini.

[LostinVA]

75. HItler was not gay -- all known evidence points the other way

He cruelly sexually and emotionally abused his niece for years, until she killed herself.

Nor was Stalin, etc. etc.etc.

Good try, though! Keep repeating it long enough, and some fool may believe you.

[Justitia]

6. Please. If only. He's asexual, that's why he has to blow up shit all over the planet. -eom

[LonelyLRLiberal]

11. No, he's sexually impotent and that's why he blows things up.

Oh, wait, that didn't sound right, did it?

[anarch]

9. who knows? I'm not even sure he's human

He's some kind of inter-dimensional evil entity, how can he have any kind of human sexual orientation?

[etherealtruth]

10. Don't know, don't care ...

"Is he a sociopath?"

That question is more relevant to me.

[JuniperLea]

12. Puhleeez

He's not cool enough to be gay.

It would be nice if people would stop talking about being gay as if there were something wrong with it.

I'm a straight woman and I'm offended. I feel for our gay community here.

[valerief]

23. At most, he's a self-loathing gay. I'm sure he hates the fact that

he's gay. If he his. Which he very well may be, because closeted gay men are so easy to control to do your bidding.

[smoogatz]

27. You make a good point.

About the "not cool enough" part, anyway. But I don't think the question itself is offensive. It in no way implies that "being gay is bad."

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

56. Questioning someone's sexuality without proof because you don't like them is offensive.

Sorry, but it definitely insinuates "gay is bad."

[smoogatz]

69. I ask the question because of the company he keeps,

not because I don't like him. That was your assumption.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

71. I know plenty of Republicans with gay friends.

None of them are gay.

:eyes:

[smoogatz]

78. Are their gay friends closeted self-loathers who exploit hatred

of other gay people in order to gain power?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

80. No, but even if their friends were, it still wouldn't mean they were gay.

[smoogatz]

84. Would it complicate their relationship to the gay community any?

Ot at least what's known about that relationship?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

89. I would say they had no real relationship to the gay community.

[smoogatz]

92. I guess what I'm asking is whether this revelation--

about Haggard, Bush's close personal spiritual advisor--complicates Bush's relationship to the gay community in any way that's worth talking about. And Bush DOES have a relationship to the gay community, even though it's an entirely negative one.

[Generator]

13. I just learned yesterday on Democracy Now

that Karl Rove's defacto father, ie the dude that raised him, was. So there is a whole other thread. It seems to be a clue to something.

[elehhhhna]

14. Gay? Perhaps. Happy? No.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. So what if he is?

[smoogatz]

30. Well, it would be interesting, wouldn't it?

If Bush were revealed to be gay, every freeper's head in the country would explode simultaneously. I'd kind of like to see that.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. LOL!

There is an image I hadn't considered! :rofl:

[Raffi Ella]

16. Seriously?

This Haggard scandal has just blown me away!I swear to you,I would NOT be surprised if Bush were outed tommorow.

[Imagevision]

17. Bush is asexual or gay, Gannon/Guckert was servicing someone...

[DaveJ]

19. Jeff Gannon stayed nights almost always when * was in...

...according to White House records. At least that's what I heard. I'm sure that can be cross-checked. I see no reason to rule out that he may at least be bi. But it doesn't really matter.

[valerief]

21. I've read about his Tony Blair trysts. Of course, it's not proven. And

Jeff Gannon was at the WH an awful lot. I doubt he was there for Pickles.

[DaveJ]

26. During his Oval Room tour video he really went on about the carpet and the drapes...

...I think he talked about how the new colors brightened the room. Yeah, it's all coming together now.

[Double T]

24. Psychopath with Jekyll and Hyde behavior..........

and one hell of a lot of weird stuff going on; kissing men, holding hands with men, rubbing men's heads and the like.

[Vorta]

37. Unless he's also a mass murderer

I doubt that any of us would classify him as gay. Even so, I am amazed that any male politician who comes out against gay rights isn't immediately the subject of prime time interviews with guys that had sex with them in their youth.

I don't expect all you straight guys out there to admit it, because the culture forbids you, but my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is that every straight guy I knew in high school had "fooled around" with another guy at least once.

Where are all these smoking guns? Now does it seem so strange that there are so many closeted gay men with well paying appointments in the Republican administration?

[readmoreoften]

38. Yep. ALL EVIL PEOPLE ARE GAY. It's true. I'm glad people on DU are finally starting

to get the connection between gay and evil. I know! It's the HYPOCRISY! Yeah, there's also a connection between gays and hypocrisy.

Can't you accept that even SOME bad people are straight?

[smoogatz]

42. Cripers.

You must be responding to a different thread. I said nothing of the kind.

[readmoreoften]

55. Well, that's basically the implication of every one of these threads.

All the evil men in power are secretely gay. Rove is gay, Limbaugh is gay, Bush is gay, Michael Savage is gay, Ann Coulter is a transsexual. The funny thing is that people actually have the nerve to say that when they call Ann Coulter a transsexual, they're only exposing her "hypocrisy". But she's not a transsexual, so all they're doing is showing their ignorance.

If you really wanted to show the "liberal" agenda when a republican turns out to be gay, the proper response is a measured: see what happens when gay people are forced to live a lie? Not jokes that really make it impossible to tell the difference between freepers and DUers.

Guess what, the majority of Republican assholes are still straight people. Deal with it.

[smoogatz]

62. "The proper response?"

Piss on that. How about if I have my response and you have yours, and we'll respect each other's personhood even more for having done so? If it was revealed that Bush was gay, I would laugh my freaking ass off. Here's why (it's really, really obvious): because he's exploited hatred of gay people to get himself elected, over and over. Get it?

[A wise Man]

39. Ask

Jeff Gannon

[Maraya1969]

45. Well maybe he is trying too hard with that cowboy get up and practiced

swagger. No one in his family acts like that.

And then of course he is a politician that wants to oppress gays in every way he can - that is the strongest bit of evidence.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

63. Or maybe he's just a BIGOT? Seriously, just because he's evil, doesn't mean he's gay.

Bigotry is not evidence.

[Maraya1969]

95. To be fair I said that with tongue in cheek. I should have used the

sarcasm icon. Will try to do that now.

[smoogatz]

99. If it helps, it was obvious to me

that you were kidding.

[ecstatic]

49. If he is, all proof is already destroyed I'm sure

No way he would let a past gay escort live.

[smoogatz]

51. And yet Jeff Gannon keeps turning up in public.

Maybe he was smart enough to store the pictures in his lawyer's safe, or something.

[ecstatic]

73. I'll have to google him... I have no idea who Gannon is n/t

[Phillycat]

52. Gay? Dunno. Drunk and abusing drugs? Almost definitely.

That concerns me more.

[DeSwiss]

54. Oh I don't know.....

They're just REAL close....

[Catherine Vincent]

66. I think he is.

And if he is, he shouldn't be ashamed of it. But that's what he gets for being in the repuke party.

[LeftCoast]

104. Wow...shocked to see you here - not

I think you missed adding your 'opinion' in on a homophobic thread earlier...if you act quick you might be able to chime in!

[treestar]

68. No, but he's afraid of that impulse that everyone has.

Everyone who is straight is said to have some acknowledgment of possible attraction to the same sex, in freepers they fear it will take them over. That is why they are so rabid. It goes along with that common saying that the most rabid anti-gay people are gay themselves and afraid to admit it or deal with it and try to suppress it by overdoing being against it as wrong. I don't think they necessarily have to be gay, they are just repressing that impulse that may exist in all people.

[porphyrian]

74. I don't care, but he is a fucking piece of shit for sure. - n/t

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[smoogatz]

90. What George Carlin said. n/t

[LeftCoast]

105. Figures you wouldn't have a problem with that comment either

:eyes:

[demobabe]

83. Bush is an addict.

Pure and simple. Doesn't matter what he's addicted to... we know he's had (has?) alcohol and cocaine addictions, and now it's clear he has a power addiction which has put our country in grave danger.

We want to emphasize corruption with these folks. Whether or not someone is gay isn't an issue. If they're committing a crime, gay or not, then they need to be held accountable for the crime(s).

[guinivere]

85. I don't know. I really don't care.

Straight or gay, he is still the worst president ever.

[Tyo]

86. Thank you for that

I'm getting visuals. I think I'm gonna be sick :puke:

[katty]

91. Is Bush gay?! Is this still in question? he has ALOT of protection

that will disappear and accident the nosy porkers and the ones who know.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

97. Are you saying you *know* he's gay?

Amazing.

[KoKo]

98. Blair and Bush "share toothpaste" at Camp David before Iraq Invasion...

Unmarried Condi Rice plays hymns on organ at Camp David for Clinton. Washinton Times does story about "Gay Ring at White House under Poppy Bush"

I don't know but hiding one's "gay life" under "Evangelical Bushell" sort of strikes me as that the "life you live is not the life that's "TRUE."

:shrug":

[Duncan Grant]

100. Is smoogatz gay?

There's a "ga_" in the username. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :sarcasm:

[DisgustedTX]

102. Yes. n/t

[LeftCoast]

103. This thread is rude and offensive

How many gays and lesbians have to show up here asking you people to stop this behavior? Even if you don't 'get it' why would you continue behavior that a minority group tells you is offensive to them? The only answer I can see is you is that you just don't give a fuck about us or how you hurt us.

:nuke:

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

106. I'm going to lock this.

You are permitted to discuss political or social issues relating to human sexuality, provided that you exercise the appropriate level of maturity, sensitivity, and discretion.

There is no indication that bush is gay. Discussing the hypocrisy of a group that is bent on denying GLBT the same freedoms that straight people have is one thing. Implying that bush's homophobic record because he is gay seems to cross the line.

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