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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:23 AM
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51-49 Senate. And then....
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 10:25 AM by Warren Stupidity
Bush fires Rummy and appoints Joe Lieberman (Asshole, NeoConn) to replace him. Rethuglican governor of Connecticut appoints Rethuglican replacement. Senate now 50-50 with Duck! Cheney (Drunk with Guns, Haliburton) having the deciding vote.

But I don't care. I just want to see them explaining their loss on Wednesday.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:36 AM
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1. If we get the House, we get the power of subpoena and the abiltity to
put witnesses under oath. John Conyers will be Chair of the Judiciary Committe.

This is huge.

We can start investigating everything from the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections to the cooking of intelligence, to pay for play, etc.

It will mean we can get a little accountability for the crimes of the extremists who have been unchecked for the last 4 + years.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:39 AM
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4. Oh I agree.
However we should be aware that they are not going to roll over and play dead.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:51 AM
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14. Very true. It is just the beginning of the fight to come. GOTV!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:23 PM
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27. And John Conyers knows his stuff! From Ohio to the basement of
the People's House, he's kept up.
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gfnrob Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:36 AM
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2. Joe's not that dumb!!!
I don't think Lieberman would let himself get sucked in to that shit, it would be a political dead end for him.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:38 AM
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3. Oh yes he is that dumb and that vain and that much of an asshole.
And I think it is a toss up which way he caucuses this January, even if he doesn't get rummy's job.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:40 AM
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6. that's why I think it's not wise to take any of these races for granted
Lieberman is a crossover threat, no matter if he gets appointed into the Bush regime or not.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:40 AM
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5. even if lieberman gets beat -- landieu, nelson of neb and
some others will vote with republicans to shield bush from serious harm.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:41 AM
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7. What about the "Will of the people" they're always screaming about?
Wouldn't this constitute "activist" rightwing shenanigans that contravenes the will of the people?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:41 AM
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8. Either way, Joltin' Joe will leave and go away
If he's not Sec Def (and I thought * would make that switch back in '05, personally), he will either:
1) Flip out over something and pull a Jeffords
2) Wring so many concessions from our party that winning the Senate will have no point.

Remember... if Lieberman wins and we take the 6 seats, Lieberman will be pointing a gun at the leadership for at least the remainder of *'s term.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:43 AM
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10. That is the silver lining inside the dark cloud blocking
the sunshine of our victory this tuesday. Liebermench will be out of there.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:42 AM
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9. I doubt that Lieberman would do that
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 10:42 AM by DinoBoy
But I think in a 50-50 Senate with a Dem House, some of the few remaining GOP mods like Snowe, Collins and Specter will see which way the wind is blowing and turn toward sanity.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:43 AM
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11. Snow Collins and Specter won't do squat. nt.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:45 AM
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12. Liebeman doesn't want to leave the Senate.
If I were a Senator, I wouldn't want to leave to be Secretary of Defense for two years, either.


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:51 AM
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15. Besides, he'd never be elected again in Connecticut.
If he jumped ship after this election and accepted such an appointment, he could bend over and kiss his ass goodbye in terms of any future elected office in Connecticut. His 'career' would be limited to two years instead of six with some prospect of becoming an iconoclastic Connecticut Yankee.

Then again, he's such a self-centered ass it'd be hard to predict.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:42 AM
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22. I can't think of anyone who would want that job for the next two

years.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:21 PM
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26. Apparently, Donald Rumsfeld wants to stay. NT
NT
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:48 AM
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13. That's why we need TN and AZ, too.
Ford and Pederson have to win also. Then, let them try jigging things.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:53 AM
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16. LIE ber man will call himself a dem and vote REPUKE - like he always does these past few years!
or he will finally switch to his true party - and all the media whores and dem leadership will be "surprised"...

either way - he will continue to support the REPUKES and criticize the "partisan" Democrats - like he always does!!!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:54 AM
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17. Let's Make A Deal
Sadly I'm cynical enough to believe that LIEbermann will caucus with Democrats and honestly vote with our side more than the dark side on social issues, but I'd surely wish some house would fall on him and Lamont cruises to victory on Tuesday, it'd make life so much easier.

If there's a 50-50 or 51-49 (Repugnican) Senate, we now can play "Let's Make A Deal"...and there are gonna be some fish biting. Harry Reid probably has already been quietly making the offers. If Chaffee goes down in Rhode Island, no Northeastern Repugnican is safe in '08...(I'm looking at you Olympia Snowe). Now they can sit on the far fringes of a party that is very unpopular in her state and with more Repugnican Senate seats than Democrats up in '08, she's sure to face a primary challenge (Club For Growth asshole) and then could face having to go "right" to win the primary and lose the middle in the general election. Or, Reid could offer her a Jeffords...retain her seniority and promise not to fund a challenger against her in '08 if she either becomes and Independent (best bet) or totally crosses the aisle.

There could be other Repugnicans willing to bolt if there's a blood-letting in the wake of the election and the party goes further to the right. Remember, Frist is retiring, there will be a Repugnican leadership battle...and I suspect we'll see McConnell go for it as well as Helmet-Hair Lott looking for revenge/vindication. Where does this put any moderate?
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:21 AM
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18. I would so love to see 52-48 senate on Nov. 8.........
Nothing would give me greater joy then to hear that the Majority leader of the Senate told Joe to go and caucus with the Independents and get back to him ASAP with their intentions. I HATE JOE LIEBERMAN. He is the scum of the earth and deserves to lose more then any republican.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:10 PM
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24. That would be sweet. nt.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:26 AM
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19. If every thing goes well on Tuesday one of the great tragidies is that LIE-berman..
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 11:31 AM by dicknbush
WIll get to clebrate along with the rest of the Dems who have done the heavy work to get us this far. I hope Lie bermans reward is something like head of the fair opening committe or something like that something that will make him understand that he is a traitor and a repuke!
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:34 AM
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20. Every democrat in Connecticut who votes for LIE-berman should be ashamed..
I saw a stat in a break down that showed a 37% number for Democrats who are voting for this scum bag! SHAME ON THEM SHAME ON THEM. Knowing what they know now and they still are going to vote for this turd is beyond belief!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:37 AM
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21. How ridiculous
The odds of that happening are none to none.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:24 PM
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25. Check back with me in January, 'kay?
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 11:49 AM
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23. I'm no fan of ach-du-leiber-man and would far prefer Lamont but
his voting record is moderate to progressive on most social issues. His support of the Iraq catastrophe is largely the result of a horribly misguided inclination to protect Israel (over the best interests of the USA) at all costs. He is not the only DEM Senator inclined this way.

I am guessing he will stay in the Senate (if he wins) and caucus with the DEMS.
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