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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:05 PM
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Out a CIA agent tracking loose nuclear material, then post on the web how to make A bomb
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 12:35 PM by me b zola
Take a moment just to think about these two outrages by the bush* administration, both committed for political benefit, each by themselves put US security at risk. Then consider how together they are devastating.

First was the outing not only of NOC CIA officer, but her front company as well. The result of this action of the bush* administration was to take down an entire operation that took years to develop that was tracking loose nuclear material. How much nuclear material is exchanging hands with no one knowing where it is going?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x66773

Now the posting of detailed instructions of how to create an nuclear bomb. What may have taken ten+ years for some states to develop on their own has now been given to them freely by the bush* administration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/world/middleeast/03documents.html?hp&ex=1162530000&en=1511d6b3da302d4f&ei=5094&partner=homepage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2593902


Now consider how these bush* administration actions become so much worse because the other exists. It is not only States that can utilize the information that bush* has published for all the world to see, but terrorist groups as well. Valerie Plame's work was important all by itself, tracking loose nuclear material and keeping it from falling into the hands of terrorists. Now with Plame's entire operation dismantled, not only does the probability of terrorist gaining access to nuclear material increase, but they now have the knowledge to do more damage if they acquire nuclear material.

Now for the icing on the cake. Both of these horrible actions by the bush* administration were done purely for political reasons.

Do you feel safer now?

WE CANNOT TRUST NATIONAL SECURITY TO REPUBLICANS.










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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:07 PM
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1. LIHOP or MIHOP? nm
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:09 PM
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4. Don't know, but on it's face this is devistating all by itself
I'm so freaking disgusted that I can't even allow my mind to go there.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:17 PM
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11. And, it's TREASONOUS, don't you think? nm
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:23 PM
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13. I absolutely believe that the actions of the bush* admin are treasonous
A couple was put to death for giving away nuclear secrets, I see the actions of the bush* administration/gop much graver.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:26 PM
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15. I agree nm
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:13 PM
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8. Defilitely LIHOP. The ReNAMBLAcans are too stupid to be able to
MIHOP, but if they give terrorists the tools, THEY are smart enough to figure out how to pull it off.

I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but I sure have to think long and hard about it being perfectly appropriate for this level of treason in wartime. And yes, I think Bush ORDERED the outing of Plame AND the posting of the instructions.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:20 PM
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12. I lean toward LIHOP too. And I agree with you about the treason
and that * ordered the outing and the posting.

I'm not sure I would say that they are "too stupid" for MIHOP but rather with LIHOP there is less liability on their part; you know, it's less likely to come back and bite them in the ass. I think that they are working with the "enemies" and by doing this they get the word out.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:07 PM
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2. What is the definition of treason again? - n/t
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:08 PM
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3. See: Bush administration.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:13 PM
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7. Oh, there it is. Someone should update those links. - n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:10 PM
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5. Remember, we're not permitted to see al Qaeda propaganda ...
... because it's dangerous. After all, they might be passing 'signals' and 'codes.' God Bless the GOP - who just leave the nuclear engineering secrets in Arabic and then post them on the Web for the mere 1 billion people who can read Arabic. (Fucking corrupt imbeciles!)

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:11 PM
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6. They need to be removed from office.
Such incompetence has put us in great danger.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:15 PM
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9. I found that information in the public library when I was 15
and reading my way through it. Building a bomb isn't all that difficult and the information has been out there since many Los Alamos records were declassified decades ago.

The hard parts are creating and assembling the materials.

Although putting the info on the web on an official, government site was stupid beyond belief, the information has been out there for a very long time.

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:25 PM
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14. From what I understand
about the info released, it contained the refined methods and lessons learned from experimentation. The Manhattan Project was huge and compartmentalized, the release was of basic info and was a propaganda effort to ease the fears of some Americans that the complexity of such weapons would prevent a complete world wide dominance by the US.

The stuff you and I read does not interest the IAEA in the slightest, it was a basic overview. This was a blueprint.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:52 PM
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21. That's a good Republican talking talking point, but it has been...
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 06:01 PM by AntiFascist
discredited by experts. In fact, the secrets divulged were more detailed than anything else previously available, and in Arabic no less!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2567850#2567957

On edit: Here is a link to the Olbermann video -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x3051

According to the expert this is "abosolute non-sense... nothing like what the NY Times describes <has ever been available>...a roadmap for terrorists on how to build the bomb."
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:16 PM
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10. then blame the paper that writes about it for advertising nuclear secrets
:crazy:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:06 PM
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22. Another fact that makes this even more obscene
When the IAEA plead with the bush* administration to take down the most outragious documents they were ignored. It took the NYT to expose this before the bush* admin to take down the website. Then, as only this corrupt group of thugs would do, they blame the NYT for exposing them! In-freaking-credible.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:30 PM
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16. instead of getting aq in afghanistan, they go to iraq. instead of capturing
obl they let him escape. instead of securing ports they want to sell to country in terrorism. instead of enough troops to win iraq they fire the generals and makeit less to lose. could go on and on
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:00 PM
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17. No one can be this stupid.
I think we've been sold out, and the greediest among us, have helped them.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:18 PM
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18. This is most definitlely the result of greed
...greed of money, but more importantly, the greed of power.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 03:46 PM
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19. Honey, when we live in a county where a parent would stand up in
a small group meeting at a freshman orientation and proudly tell everyone in the room that their kid got into college because of their political connections, you know there's something amiss.

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:06 PM
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20. K&R, excellent analyses....people need to connect more dots n/t
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:09 PM
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23. we cannot trust national security to corporations
They defend their own interest ruthlessly against the hand that pulls the lever.

To make an A-bomb, divide a populace using mendacious media negativity, and watch
it implode in to self loathing.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 08:06 AM
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24. Sunday morning kick
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