"(C)ataclysmic fight to the death" - WH strategist YIKES

[steve2470]

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/opinion/06krugman.html
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a White House strategist has already told Time magazine that the administration plans a “cataclysmic fight to the death” if Democrats in Congress try to exercise their right to issue subpoenas — which is one heck of a metaphor, given Mr. Bush’s history of getting American service members trapped in cataclysmic fights where the deaths are anything but metaphors.
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Those 5 words by the "White House strategist" sent chills up my spine. Never once do I remember the old Nixon gang saying anything even remotely this belligerent. Yea, it might all be BS hot air, but still. And no, I'm no concern troll, been here over 2 years now. What in the hell would Congress do if Bush just said FU ? Even to the Supreme Court ? Ok, now I'm getting passionate but I can see them stalling as long as they can before the Federal Marshals storm the White House. I sure as hell hope we don't have to go through show downs like that.
Damn, I hate that phrase in the subject line.

[Rick Myers]

1. Any connection between BushCo and

Cataclysmicc fight to the death” is TERRIFYING!!!

[Freedom_from_Chains]

2. I have been saying for some time

I don't think anything is beyond these people. And no I am not suggesting one does not vote, I have never understood that position anyway, I vote even if I know it is a lost cause because it is my civic obligation, but, back to the point, I just don't see these people giving up control of the government.

[Beam Me Up]

4. Ditto everything you said. n / t

[requiem99]

12. Few of us do.

[Straight Shooter]

3. The strategist must be Rove, you think?

So the White House resorts once again to playground tactics and bully-speak.

Gawd, I so want the grownups in charge again.

[kestrel91316]

5. So does this mean if we impeach his and Cheney's sorry asses,

they will refuse to vacate their offices??? Real cute stunt. It'll get them arrested and marched off to a DC jail.

Hey. I could go for that.

Sic semper tyrannis, dudes.

[Mme. Defarge]

6. I'm afraid that's the least of our worries.

But, let's hope I'm wrong!

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. Cheney has already said

he will refuse to comply with subpoenas.

They think they are above the law.

[kestrel91316]

29. They'll find out otherwise soon enough. Even conservatives have had

quite enough of their BS.

[The Straight Story]

7. Best thing I have heard all day - it means, to me, they are scared of losing

And don't have enough diebold rigged to save em :)

[barb162]

8. I believe they'd fight to the death

anyway, they wouldn't have to; they have the SCOTUS packed with their guys

[OneBlueSky]

9. we're dealing with the worst kind of criminals here . . .

these are truly bad guys . . .

they've already committed crimes against humanity that have killed hundreds of thousands, and that will likely kill hundreds of thousands more . . .

they are itching to attack Iran, or Korea, or wherever it is they can most efficiently start their next war . . .

and they treat the weapons of mass destruction they control as their personal toys that they really, REALLY want to play with . . .

these are very dangerous criminals -- potentially the most dangerous ever . . . they must be stopped . . .

[Old and In the Way]

10. What could they possibly be worried about?

Ignoring 9/11 warnngs and 3000 Americans dying?
Anthrax terror attack?
No OBL?
Lying about the causus belli for invading Iraq (see Cheney secret energy meetings)
Katrina mismanagement?
$4.5TT added debt?

Geesh, these are hardly major things that matter. Not like they lied about something really important....like a blowjob. Why would they be getting defensive?

[magellan]

11. Cheney has already said he would probably ignore a subpoena

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2929731

You don't say something that arrogant unless you believe you're above the law and can get away with it.

The one thing the Dems MUST do is start enforcing the law again, and if that means putting a warrant out on Darth and arresting him for failing to appear then so be it. They're going to have to find the stomach to uphold the rule of law even as BushCo inevitably turn it into a melodrama of unprecedented proportions.

[Cruzan]

15. Cheney does have a point and I agree with him

Congress can't subpoena the president or vice president to force them to appear before hearings. They're constitutional officers and it just violates basic separation of powers. However, as has happened before, there can be negotiations where some ad hoc agreement is reached for voluntary appearances, as has also happened before with Bush, Cheney, Clinton, and Ford. But this only applies to the president and vice president. Any other advisor, cabinet head, or administration member on down can be subpoenaed, and under Clinton practically was.

[magellan]

22. Congress can't, but an independent prosecutor can

But perhaps that isn't the way to go. At least not until they're out of office, when they no longer have immunity. In the meantime, there's more than enough evidence to begin impeachment investigations, and if they refuse to cooperate they do themselves no favor. Most Americans are already disgusted enough with them both to see such a refusal as nothing but more proof of their criminality.

[KittyWampus]

33. I kind of agree about after they leave office in 08.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

13. Waxmans got his list

he's checking it twice, gonna find out, who's naughty or nice.

Waxmans gonna be the new Santa Claus with Subpoena power.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. It worries me how far they will go

once they realized they are caged animals... it truly does

[EvangelOphileBlican]

16. When you translate those 5 words, it says.

WE ARE GUILTY AS HELL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Why Do We Spin These Fantastic Tales?

Most presidents assert executive privilege...Reagan did...Nixon did...Clinton did...

It's up to the federal courts to reject or embrace their claims...


Don't forget the Supreme Court full of his own appointees rejected Nixon's claims of executive privilege when he refused to hand over the White House tapes...


Wake me up when Bu$h refuses a Supreme Court demand...

[malaise]

18. Watch these interviews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/

and make sure you watch the one with John Bellinger from today and you'll have no doubts about these crinimals.

[sandnsea]

19. They fought the energy investigation

Of Cheney's meeting with the energy companies. I imagine they'll do the same thing with every single investigation launched.

But that's okay because they'll just kill the Repubican Party permanently and that's a very good thing.

[AntiFascist]

20. ya think they're guilty?

I could just see Rove with a sword, bwahahahaha! Cheney could be dangerous with a shotgun though.

[and-justice-for-all]

21. They think they are exempt from the Law...

...and thats just powertripping rhetoric.
Dems better indict every single one of those assholes and get those facist bastards off the hill.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. They fear "We, the People". The first three words of the Preamble

to the constitution.

After Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto had this to say,“I fear all we have done is to awaken a slumbering giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” That's probably how the cabal is feeling right now.

The giant is "We, the people" and the cabal cannot get him back to sleep.

It's time to GOTV and see what shakes out. MKJ

[FernBell]

24. k&r

[Fly by night]

25. "Fight to the death?" Bring it on!!

I understand that the Constitution defines treason as a capital offense. And I define stealing elections as treason.

It's about time we stretch a few flying monkey minion necks.

[IndyOp]

26. Bullies use heated rhetoric, and then fold like the cowards they are

when confronted.

ONWARD DEMOCRATS!

TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!

:kick:

[Hubert Flottz]

27. There should no longer be no doubt in Anyone's mind how crazy

these bastards are! They are saying FUCK the will of the people! This IS, A FASCIST TAKEOVER!

[Renew Deal]

30. Let's have this fight

Especially if we get both the house and the senate. I want to teach these fuckers a lesson.

[Blackhatjack]

31. Sounds Like A Cheney-ism to me....

... it has to be a fight to the death. If they are revealed, everything they hold dear will be taken from them. "Prison is for the little people...", not them --according to their way of thinking. Take away their money, and they are like everyone else --subject to exploitation. Can't have that.

[pat_k]

32. NOTHING short of impeachment will stop them -- How much clearer. . .

. . .does it have to be before the Democratic establishment says to hell with their self-imposed "Impeachment is off limits" edict??

Bush and Cheney will stop at nothing to gather evermore Uncontitutional power. They have proven it so many times, I don't know if they CAN make it any clearer.

Wake Up DEMS!! (Or be ready to take the revised oath -- changes mandated by "Pelosi's Pledge")

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and be derelict in my duty to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear foreswear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will fail to take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully negligently and faithlessly discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

[WinkyDink]

34. Arrest him.