Whatever happened to Kerry pursuing the impeachment of Chimpy

[HCE SuiGeneris]

regarding the "Downing Street" papers?

[tuvor]

1. Can we talk about that on Wednesday?

[Sydnie]

2. That wasn't Kerry ... that was Conyers

You appear to have your democratic leaders confused.

[JI7]

3. Kerry is in the Senate , and we need a Dem controlled Congress

to have any chance of impeaching.

[davidwparker]

4. Talk. Whatever happened to Kerry mobilizing lawyers and making

sure votes were counted in 2004? Did you hear on HBO's Hacking Democracy that Kerry talked like he knew New Mexico had fraud but he conceded anyhow?

I did hear Feingold wanted to censure Chimpy though.

[blm]

10. Kerry spoke about the fraud to Arnebeck in DECEMBER. The film didn't make

the timing clear and left the impression it was before the concession.

And you blame Kerry because he told us what the DNC told him - they assured Kerry they had been working against election fraud, but they never really did and never secured the machines or election process, because they didn't BELIEVE in machine fraud.

[davidwparker]

14. I'm going to rewatch the documentary tonight because as I recall,

this knowledge Kerry had was before the concession. If that is the case, then 1) Kerry knew there were problems before conceding as the documentary states or 2) the documentary has an error that Kerry/HBO should correct.

If it's #2, be sure to post the link here of what Kerry did to correct the documentary's error.

[blm]

17. Kerry hasn't made a statement about the documentary as far as I know.

The documentary IMPLIES it, but that's called dramatic license. Weren't you here during that period?

[sandnsea]

5. Whatever happened to Kerry curing cancer!!!

Jesus fucking christ.

I'm gonna' write some new lyrics to Monser Mash and call it Kerry Bash - let's do the bash.. it was a netroots smash... let's do the bash..

[_dynamicdems]

8. Curing cancer is on his to do list , but only after he creates world harmony and invents a better

mouse trap.

:rofl:

[Bluebear]

6. Are you concerned and troubled? nt

[_dynamicdems]

7. Yes, worry about Bush after Wednesday.

We've got two days to kick the bums out of Congress. Let's keep our eye on the ball.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. Whoa... A lot of hostility here

I am battling two people in a chat forum trying to defend my "liberal" position and am feeling under attack here now. That really sucks. Let me pose another quetion then that hopefully is more pertinent. Here is the background:

These comments are coming from an argument about the legitamacy of the Iraq war by my opponents:(excuse the typos -- I am copy/pasting directly from the blog)
luke7 - 05 November 2006 / 20:15:23 PM
Who lied, every single intelligence agency in the world? No matter what, because of the UN violations we were more than justified and about 97% of the men and women involved in the war know and understand going to Iraq was the right thing. I did!

But then the pathetic liberals are only helpng the enemy.

Did anyone watch Obsession on Fox news? Everything said was in the Muslim fanatics own words.........I guess they are lying too!!!!

Wake up, you idiot.

MY RESPONSE
05 November 2006 / 21:42:15 PM
"Pathetic liberals helping the enemy..." I think Faux has rotted your intellect.

I suppose if it was Hilary in office... reinterpreting the constitution and making Americans safe from something as vague as a "war on terror" -- one that can't be won by the way, unless you give all your rights to a totalitarian government -- you would be fine with that?

Bush's rhetoric and divisive speeches have accopmlished just what the terrorists wanted. A religious right that hates everyone not conforming to their view. We now have a propoganda war that continues to polarize A M E R I C A N S!! Stop hating your fellow country men Luke (there are more than 100 million of us "liberals") and open your mind. Do not let Fox ,or any 1 other "news" source, spoon-feed" you.


AND FROM HIS BUDDY Green Beret:
usa-green-beret-vet - 05 November 2006 / 23:10:04 PM
I agree with you Luke about what is going on in Iraq. It does not matter to the likes of Cocomoe about what the real facts only his version of the facts as he and others like him see it. They all think the reason for all the increased terrorism in the world is due to the US support of State of Isreal and US troops in the Arab lands and the stealing the oil that belongs to them. All we have to do is hide our heads in the sand and do whatever it takes to appease them and then we can just get along. That is a bunch of bull. I have been in Iraq and gather and seen the intel first hand. I know the people and what they want and it is not to trade one dicator (Saddam) for a radical Islamic state like Iran. To the radical Islamic group, there are only two groups of people--muslim and non-muslim. They according to their version of Islam, they have to God given right to enslave and or kill the non believer. They will kill the Jews, Christians, Hindi and others that do not convert to Islam. It does not matter how long it takes or how many of them are in their holy war. They will kill the aged, women, children, and babies that are not Muslim. Like it was pointed out, you just have to listen to their own words. Just wake up to the fact this is a war and they are at war against all of the Western world. You might say I have my facts all wrong and that Bush is a liar and he has mislead the world. I do not get my facts from the media but first hand. I can say that one of my jobs in Special Forces was to gather intel and to know and understand the people. When the liberals and like minded are challenged with the facts, they can only go with what they know from certain elements gather from the media. The best way to understand what is and will happen is to ask your parents or grand parents whast happen prior and during WWII with Hilter. They will tell you all the people murdered and enslaved and tortured by the Nazi's. Even the German people bought into his lie and wished they did something to prevent him from gaining power. My grand parents came from German and told us first hand what happen. So just remember that this is a WAR and WE MUST WIN!

CSM, 5th SFG, (RET)

CSM United States 5th Special Forces Group, 75th Rangers RGT, 82nd Airborne Division. (Ret). 1974 to 2004. As a Green Beret, I live by our creed: DE OPPRESSO LIBER!! To Liberate the Oppressed!!

MY RESPONSE:
05 November 2006 / 23:24:23 PM
OK-- Here is proof that Bush is wrong on the war and is derelict in duty even if we were justified to go to war!!!

1999 war games foresaw problems in Iraq .. associated press USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-11-05-iraq-games_x.htm?csp=15



November 2006 / 23:42:45 PM
And Green - Beret, Bush took a solemn oath when he was sworn in: " I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;" then Bush said this in defending his push to renew the Patriot Act:

I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

And then you have the balls to say, "Even the German people bought into his lie and wished they did something to prevent him from gaining power." We are approaching that point in America where the terms German and his could easily be interchangable with ... I'll let you finish the thought.

Seems to me that you are right about the stench of Fascism. Unfortunately... very, very unfortunately... the stench resides here in America.


More fodder. Green-Beret, please explain to me what this means (coming from the White House),

"a White House strategist has already told Time magazine that the administration plans a "cataclysmic fight to the death" if Democrats in Congress try to exercise their right to issue subpoenas". Fight to the death over due process??? sounds un-American to me.

AND ONE FINAL SHOT FROM LUKE:
luke7 - 05 November 2006 / 23:58:23 PM
You people are so blind and stupid....watch Obsession (the movie) part of it was on Fox News this weekend. In fact, watch Glenn Beck sometime. It shows what the Muslims are saying (in their own words) and they have been at it for quite a long time, but who cares about the truth. The Democrats will come to the rescue once again and have America in a Dream World once again. Wait until the next rude awakening........

My Question: How the F**K do I get through to these people? If you are going to say "dont' bother... then don't bother to respond to me. I have invested time, energy and patience in my responses to these blow-hards. If you have any offerings in the form of responses that use critical thinking... I would be greatly appreciative of any help. Thanks in advance:dem:

[upi402]

12. good for you BushDespiser12

It takes a strong constitution to do that work. I used to butt heads with those types all the time.

Luke7 calls for us to "wake up" due to a Fox show???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I got so burned out trying to show these types the facts and they would say my evidence was BS -then cite some propaganda they heard on Fox as the REAL facts. So I'd go to great lengths to support my facts, even from conservative sources.

NEVER ONCE did one admit he was wrong, not on any point. No matter if a wall of evidence falls on them they slime the messenger. Or they ridicule the other tribe.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. TY greatly for replying upi402

I understand that it MAY be useless -- but I gots to do what I gots to do. I apprecaite your support. :toast:

[blm]

11. Kerry called for an INVESTIGATION into the Downing Street Memos. Only 9 senators

signed onto it with Kerry.

The rest wanted to let it drop.

Kerry did sign on to Feingold's censure bill with Boxer and Harkin.

[seabeyond]

15. the control repug congress said it wasnt worth investigating. they

have the power. they make the decisions to allow bush to break law without any repercussion. kerry followed thru, repugs said no. way our system works

[JNelson6563]

16. Did it poll well?

heh