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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:51 AM
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Part VIII: Cheney May Ignore a Congressional Subpoena, But I Won't
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 09:56 AM by CorpGovActivist
Vice President Cheney - a Constitutional officer - has suggested that he would ignore a Congressional subpoena.

I'm not sure how that sort of imperious behavior plays in Wyoming, but in border states with more Electoral College votes, it's going to play that he's impervious to the facts.

Richard B. Cheney (the Spiro T. Agnew of this Administration) was elected Vice President - not Heir Apparent.

If I receive a Congressional subpoena to testify about what I know happened at Halliburton/KBR, I will not flout it, nor will I ignore it. The Congress of the United States is the elected embodiment of We the People.

The Congress of the United States was the paramount concern of the Founders. They made it the subject of Article I of the United States Constitution. The Executive Branch comes second: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states_constitution#Articles_of_the_Constitution

For the Presiding Officer of the Senate to suggest that he would ignore a Congressional subpoena is breathtaking in its arrogance. If anything, it will only stoke the fires of resolve of the Halliburton/KBR whistleblowers to honor *their* Congressional subpoenas.

Cheney can fiddle while the BakerBotts firewall burns, right before his eyes, on C-SPAN.

For background, please see the Halliburton threads of my journal: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/CorpGovActivist

Questions are welcome in this thread.

- David A. Smith, Editor of www.HALwhistleblowers.org and www.BushBunglesBrigade.org
(not to be confused, ever again, with David R. Smith, the as-yet-unindicted VP of Tax at Dresser, then Halliburton)
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:52 AM
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1. let the games begin
:toast:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:58 AM
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4. KKKarl Is Bush League...
... maybe he shoulda finished that college degree he started - to dodge the draft - after all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

- Dave
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:36 AM
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115. They're a bunch of MAJOR LEAGUE ASSHOLES!
Bush league public servants, but major league assholes.

~(;^)}

Newsprism
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:54 AM
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2. Give 'em hell David!!!!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:06 AM
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9. SR 262 - Truman's Old Offices
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 10:07 AM by CorpGovActivist
My grandfather's favorite President was Harry S. Truman.

"Give 'Em Hell Harry!" embodied, for my grandfather, the imperfect man, doing his best, honorably, under difficult circumstances.

This spring, when I was making the rounds on Capitol Hill, I noticed a little bronze plaque. I'm a sucker for little bronze plaques.

SR 262: Harry S. Truman's old Senate offices. Tears welled in my eyes, as I thought to myself, "My grandfather would have loved to have seen this."

My grandfather - who instructed fighter pilots in the Army Air Corps during WW II - is no longer with us, but his own "give 'em hell" spirit lives on in the hearts of those he loved.

- Dave
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:39 AM
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48. I'm sure your grandfather would be damn proud of you!
:yourock:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:56 AM
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50. We Sure As Hell Were Proud of Him!
That's for dang sure!

- Dave
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:21 PM
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68. Good luck with everything
We at DU have got your back!!! :hi:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:51 PM
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70. Thanks...
... and I'll be sure to give a heads-up as soon as I know something new is going to run.

- Dave
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 02:16 PM
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71. I'm on the edge of my seat here!
:popcorn:

BTW, with the heavy traffic on DU tomorrow, the mods may limit access to DU to only those with gold stars. I just donated and gave you one :hi: Don't want to miss a minute of your posts! :D
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 02:19 PM
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72. Thank You!
I've been putting my resources to good use, and hope the DU admins didn't think that my failure to donate was a mark of disrespect, or a lack of support. They've done yeoman's work with this site!

- Dave
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 02:36 PM
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73. You are very welcome!
I've been putting my resources to good use, and hope the DU admins didn't think that my failure to donate was a mark of disrespect, or a lack of support.

Of course not! :) We are all eternally grateful for your work. :yourock:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Sometimes, Sweat Equity...
... is the only thing we have to give in a representative democracy.

(See the quote in my signature.)

- Dave
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 07:58 AM
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109. Agreed completely!
:patriot:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:57 AM
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3. He won't either nt
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:01 AM
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5. K & R
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:03 AM
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6. Cheney must not realize what he's up against.
David A. Smith!!!!!!.....(not to be confused, ever again, with David R. Smith, the as-yet-unindicted VP of Tax at Dresser, then Halliburton)

and many other whisleblowers who will expose his corruption.

Take it to 'em, Dave! I am so proud of you and all the other whislteblowers. Again, from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU for what you have done and will do in the near future!:hug:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:12 AM
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11. Full-Court Press, Blitz, Whatever You Wanna Call It...
... I'm sure that Cheney can't wrap his mind around it, but there *are* gay men who play these sports as well as - or better than - he ever did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Bingham

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:04 AM
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7. A yr from now, it will be interesting to look back at what Cheney said /when he said it
... and what he knew at the time he said it that the public did not know.

You can see the wheels turning, and the reactionary response to the unseen forces behind the scenes.

Rove could tell Cheney, it is better to just remain silent than to react to a threat when you do not know how deadly the threat is and what evidence there is to support it.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. I Almost - ALMOST - Pity the White House Counsel's Office...
... right about now.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:21 AM
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13. Reminds Me of Seinfeld Episode Where Story Told In Reverse... LOL
It can sometimes be a much more revealing investigation to take the statements of witnesses and read them in reverse creating a timeline as you go.

It gives you a better perspective on why things are said at the time they are said.

Knowing how the story ends, reading statements in reverse, we can discern more easily the motives of those making self-serving statements.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:23 AM
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14. Movie Rec
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/

If you haven't seen it, Memento is fascinating in how it tells the story.

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:26 AM
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16. crazy movie
my lady is Sundance/foreign film buff so needless to say I catch some/part or most of these flicks - I remember this one -great story - unusual plot.


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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:32 AM
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19. Kept Me Guessing...
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 10:32 AM by CorpGovActivist
... almost until the end.

- Dave

P.S. Do you get "dragged" to those, only to discover that some of them aren't "half bad"?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:37 AM
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21. It is a law enforcement interrogation technique ....
... that tends to test the credibility of those making allegations which cannot presently be proven true or false.

Very effective. Everyone knows the alphabet, and can recite it A to Z with little difficulty. It is not as easy to recite the alphabet Z to A, but it can be done with some concentration and effort.

However, if you are trying to put forth a fact, allegation or scenario that contains a false component, it is much more likely to be exposed when you try to tell your story in reverse.

I predict Cheney will slip up in trying to get out in front of events to construct an alibi for past bad conduct. He has to think in reverse to make it work. Chances of screwing up go up when you try this.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. And Then There Are Those Pesky Documents Bearing...
... his signature.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:02 AM
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31. Is this where the 'backup copies' of emails come in?? n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. When Cheney Tapped Himself for VP...
... some very savvy old timers at Halliburton/KBR (including, very particularly, some savvy Dresser folks) made sure that copies were made of certain key documents bearing Cheney's signature.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:22 AM
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41. I have said it takes 'insiders' to deal with this level of corruption...
... and I still believe there are WH insiders with similar information secreted nice and safe until the optimum time it will be needed.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Their "Wall Safes" Runneth Over...
... so to speak.

- Dave
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #33
102. HaHa From personal experience, it's amazing...
...what kind of lawsuit winning documents you can find if your a network administrator looking through someone's ms word documents.:toast:

????????????????????????????????????????????????
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #102
107. Armed with a Search Warrant...
... and trained FBI digital forensics teams, can you imagine what Halliburton's servers could yield?

; )

- Dave
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:05 AM
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8. K&R. Cheney's a lawless coward.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:06 AM
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10. well then he can be held in contempt of congress
and that's a pretty dangerous place to be since their remedy is not clearly spelled out.

They could dump him in jail somewhere and unplug his crash cart for an hour.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
93. More to the Point...
... Cheney runs the risk that by the time he changes his tune, nobody will care what he has to say for himself.

The whistleblowers will have more than sealed the deal.

- Dave
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:24 AM
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15. Impeach that fucker NOW!!!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. I'd Think a Red Sox Fan Could Wait 86 Years
; )

Yankees family here. All work stopped on my grandfather's farm to listen to Yankees games on the radio.

Religious orthodoxy in our family? No way.

Baseball orthodoxy? Yeah, that could get you excommunicated!

Nice flameout of a season you guys had this year.

"Maybe next year..."

; )

- Dave
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #18
25. Don't remind me. Btw, George's checkbook didn't get it done for you guy's eother ha ha
Don't forget to VOTE VOTE VOTE
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. Ouch
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/standings/index.jsp

Third place in the regular season.

Maybe Mumbles Menino can help explain that away.

; )

- Dave
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:29 AM
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17. Good morning to you David.
I can't wait to read all the links you supplied, but I'm off to work. My other family is off to a stem cell talk with Michael Fox. It is starting off to be such a great week. I hope so for you and your family too.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. I See America...
... waking up this week to a renewed sense of purpose, a renewed sense of "do it yourself," and a renewed sense that "eternal vigilance" is still the price we pay for liberty and freedom.

Thank you, and thank your family, for your support of stem cell research. Those of us with auto-immune disorders have much to gain from that science.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:40 AM
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22. When Cheney goes down, I predict most Repubs will say "We hardly knew him...
.... it is the standard Republican response to any one of their members being caught redhanded violating the law.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. There Are Some GOP Lawmakers...
... who quietly worked on the side of the angels on this.

They loathe Cheney. They loathe Rove.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. There are still a few moderate Repubs with no home on the Hill...
.... who I would suspect are as ready to get rid of this bunch as the Democrats.

However, I would be interested to learn that any of the rightwing conservative "I voted with Bush 95% of the time" Republicans would have been involved in helping to expose this corruption.

True conservatives have more in common with Dems than with BushCo, but they have established a consistent record of 'voting with Bush' for over 6 years. I just do not think they will acknowledge at this point that they made a mistake for that long a period of time.

I think they are on the Titanic with no lifeboats in sight, and are in for the full tour to the bottom.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #27
32. I Suspect There Will Be Room in Those Lifeboats...
... for the select few who did the right thing.

- Dave

P.S. Someone has to be left over to reboot the GOP from the master disk, once the virus is purged.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #32
44. Wouldn't that 'Someone' be more accurately described as 'Moderate'??
I can see someone like Chuck Hagel doing the right thing. Maybe a few others. But for the most part the Repub party has been split along the conservative/moderate line for a long time. Are you saying there are members on the conservative side of this dividing line who 'did the right thing?"
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #44
51. Moderate, Progressive, True...
... conservatives. Label them how you like.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ye+shall+know+them+by+their+fruit

- Dave
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #24
62. I guess Karl wasn't remembering Newton's third law
when he's said things (re: other GOPers) like "We'll fuck him! We'll fuck him like he's never been fucked before!"
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. KKKarl Really Should Have Finished That College Degree...
... that he used to dodge the draft.

Maybe the Bureau of Prisons will let him finish it via correspondence courses?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

- Dave
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #24
69. I Figured as Much
and I am glad they did so....
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #22
28. Oot
Inky finky figgery fell,
Ell dell dominell,
Irky perky jorrie rope,
Rin tin tousie joke,
O O T spells out
and oot ye go!

Nasty man...Icky Dicky
A heid like a clootie dumplin'.
:nopity:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. What Do Ye Call That One?
"A Scottish Exorcism"?

:rofl:

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #34
45. Curse
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 11:30 AM by Buttercup McToots
Ye auld Celtic curse...
made special fer Icky Dick

:wow:

I'm at work, by thee by...fer the mornin`
If ye hear anythin`...pm me, k?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #45
52. Ye Can Rest Sure on 't
Promise.

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 10:48 AM
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26. will 'secret recordings'
render anything he has to say into moot points?
Is he on record speaking of things that no testimony on his behalf could undo?
Or will his refusal to answer subpeonas be reflectve of the fact that his only answers would be along the lines of "I plead the 5th"

The whole world wonders.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. Cheney's Best Option...
... at this point, is to say, "Here's what we did. Here's why we did it. We are human, frail, imperfect, and weak. Here's where the money is hidden, here's who we tried to screw over (e.g., the asbestos/mesothelioma victims), and here's what we did with the money that is no longer there."

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. You are assuming Cheney has one ounce of moral character in him... NOT
He will fight with every asset he has illegally obtained to hide, secret, and frustrate every attempt to bring about a full and fair disclosure of what he has done and where the funds are hidden.

He believes he is smarter than the rest of us, entitled to special standing and privileges that the rest of us do not deserve, and consumed by safeguarding his hold on power.

I don't think we will ever see a contrite Cheney in this world.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. Contrite? No. Caught and Shrewd about His Last Remaining Option? Maybe.
That's what I meant.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #40
43. Oh, you meant using that info to negotiate a favorable plea deal? I agree
However, once he gets the deal he will most assuredly fall back and say I took the deal, but I was not at fault. It is just in his nature.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. Aesop's The Scorpion and the Frog Captures That...
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #35
47. The Eric Rudolph defence?
Giving up the goods to try forestalling a grand necktie party where he is the 'guest of honor'?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. Treason *Is* a Hangin' Offense Still...
... in some parts!

; )

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. In some parts?
I thought the Constitution covered all 'parts' of this country?
Gee no wonder they don't like the Constitution.
Do you suppose they had to be reminded what Article 3 section 3 is all about?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. In Some Parts...
... defined as "from sea to shining sea," just to be clear.

; )

- Dave
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #35
104. I know one of those personally....
and I figure you are talking about all that diversion off shore, and forming new companies, so that the sick could be scratched off and not compensated...
windbreeze
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #104
108. What They've Done to the Asbestos Victims...
... is nothing short of murder, in some cases.

- Dave
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #108
121. Yes....that's exactly what it is...
anyone who knows what these people have gone through has to be sickened....the responsible ones covered their asses with help from this gov't...and nowadays there is basically NO compensation...

I wonder how many people are aware of what it costs for Chemo treatments, Doctors, prescriptions needed due to treatments? How when your insurance refuses further payment, you are left on your own to figure out what to do next...How the states have cut back so much...that it's next to impossible to get financial relief/help of any kind....there is NO escape from mesothelioma...the diagnosis is a death sentence..reality of what that really means, comes much later....I have to believe that dying is the easy part, from what I've seen so far...

windbreeze

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:00 AM
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30. Dave, any suggestion which MSM outlets good DUers should monitor?
Our choices are limited unfortunately, but some will get the 'news' sooner than others.

Maybe throw several names?? THat way we can each monitor a diff outlet and quickly report back here when the stories break.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. I Don't Want to Jinx It...
... superstitious Celtic blood and all.

But I promise, the moment I get the heads-up that, "We're going to press with this," I'll let you know.

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. until then - there is always The Google
*snicker*
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. And I'm Getting Last-Minute "Tidy-Up Questions"
... in real time, right now.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #39
46. Amazing how thorough the MSM is being with this, indicates the level of...
.... fear and intimidation that this Administration has instilled in the Fourth Estate.

If we ever get a 'free press' back, like the 1960's, we could prevent this from happening again.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. I just wanted to thank you
for all your great questions and commentary here. You've been a terrific asset here, helping us understand this complex territory.

It's thrilling to have Dave here to answer questions...even better when the questions are spot on.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. It's Warranted...
... and I don't begrudge them their skepticism in the least.

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #39
56. Damn, MIssed it by that much
To influence the elections that is.

Unless it's on the evening news tonight, I doubt the early papers will be enough.

Good news anyway, don't mean to sound pessimistic. When we gonna have a drink?

-Hoot
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Anytime You Like
P.S. Don't be so sure: "Missed it by that much"

; )

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. You Effing tease!
Just when I've decided that the people won't be getting help to do the right thing. :D

Um, I have kids this week, some evening next week if you're not too busy, I'll PM ya.

-Hoot

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Sounds Like a Plan...
... meanwhile, keep a watchful, hopeful eye turned toward: http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Stock/AllNews.asp?Country=USA&Symbol=HAL&pgid=qtqnlinknews

- Dave
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #65
98. NYT article showed up
11/7/06 Cost of Taking Fuel to Iraq Is Questioned

A Halliburton subsidiary charged the Iraqi government as much as $25,000 per month for each of as many as 1,800 fuel trucks that were to deliver gasoline to Iraq after the 2003 invasion, but the trucks often spent days or weeks sitting idle on the border, says a report released yesterday by an auditing agency sponsored by the United Nations.

The agency said in a statement that the auditing firm it hired had found that some of the contract costs that had been questioned earlier seemed to be justified. But the agency said the findings raised new questions about hundreds of millions of dollars billed by the company under a $2.4 billion contract that the Army awarded on the eve of the conflict to KBR, the Halliburton subsidiary formerly known as Kellogg Brown & Root.

The new audit gives the first detailed picture of how the company incurred many of those costs.

read more...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/07/world/middleeast/07contracts.html?ex=1163480400&en=91c0759529988d79&ei=5099&partner=TOPIXNEWS

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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #98
101. A UN investigation, you say, announced today?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #58
76. Dave! You are a shameless tease! n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. No, I'm As Much at the Mercy...
... of the news cycle as you, at this point. I have two interviews left on the schedule, and then I'm pretty much done giving 'em until Thursday.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:18 PM
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57. Google News Search found 61 entries David A. Smith/Halliburton...
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 12:20 PM by Blackhatjack
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. A Good Place to Watch...
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 12:27 PM by CorpGovActivist
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #59
66. 11-6-06
This is the latest I've seen...
Monday, November 06, 2006 1:13:47 PM
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/Navariednews.asp?dismode=article&artid=1838965792
(ps I'm back hame now)

MPs fault Sheikh Fahd for Halliburton scandal


KUWAIT: A Kuwait parliament committee said yesterday the former oil minister and other energy officials were to blame for alleged violations in a deal to supply fuel to Halliburton Co for the American military in Iraq. The special committee formed in July by the new parliament in which reformist lawmakers are a majority - added in a statement its members backed a recommendation to send its report to the public prosecutor to investigate the findings. The former energy minister, Sheikh Ahmad Al-Fahd Al-Sabah, is a member of the ruling Sabah family and currently heads the country's security agency. He declined to comment on the committee's statement.
He was replaced in the new cabinet formed in July after opposition figures accused him of trying to meddle in the polls and to block reforms. He has denied any wrong doing over the elections. A US draft audit in 2004 found evidence that Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of US oil services firm Halliburton, may have overcharged the US government $61m for bringing oil products for the US army into Iraq via a Kuwait subcontractor, Altanmia Commercial Marketing Co.
Kuwait's previous parliament formed a committee in 2004 to investigate the contract. The committee presented its findings in July 2005 but the report was not debated since the house was dissolved by HH the Amir last June. The new parliament resurrected the special committee. Its report puts the blame on Sheikh Ahmad and unnamed officials of the international fuel marketing department of state-run Kuwait Petroleum Corp (KPC), which oversees Kuwait's oil sector.
In Kuwait, the energy minister is also KPC chairman. "They were overseeing the work during the negotiations and drawing up of contracts with Altanmia and the ensuing procedures until the contract's expiry," the committee report said. "They bear responsibility for the legal, financial and administrative violations which marred the contracts with Altanmia Co," it added. The committee voted unanimously to adopt a recommendation that its report "be sent to the public prosecutor for investigating the facts uncovered, and which have caused harm to public funds, in order to pinpoint those responsible." The committee said it was presenting its report to parliament for the house to take appropriate measures. Powerful Islamists and reformists swept Kuwait's June parliamentary poll, raising the possibility of deep tension between the cabinet and the outspoken parliament. - Reuters


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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Cheney's "Unsavory Characters" Line Is Gonna Come ...
... back to bite him in the ass, many, many times: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cheney+unsavory+characters

- Dave
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
75. It may indeed stoke the fires....
the fires of Revolution!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:21 PM
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78. Watching Morningstar...
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 03:21 PM by Texas Explorer
A new item has appeared within the past 5 minutes entitled: New Morningstar Analyst Report - Halliburton at http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Stock/AllNews.asp?Country=USA&Symbol=HAL&pgid=qtqnlinknews

This is a premium members analyst report so you have to have a membership or free trial to read it. I'm opting out of both and giving the water time to boil.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. Analyst Reports v. News Reports
Analyst reports will inform big institutional investors' thoughts on Halliburton's prospects.

News reports are what I'm hawkeyeing for the next 30 hours or so.

- Dave
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. New Morningstar report just posted.
Subscriber only.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. Understood on the news reports. HOWEVER...
At the same link, http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Stock/AllNews.asp?Country=USA&Symbol=HAL&pgid=qtqnlinknews, yet another headline: Morningstar has changed the fair value of HAL, though it's still an analyst report and unavailable to non-subscribers.

Wonder if the fair value was devalued...? At any rate, it's a busy day for HAL over there.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. when it is available could whoever has a userid/password post the
information over here.


Much thanks in advance
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. Some Recent Articles Note That HAL Is Squarely...
... in the crosshairs: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=halliburton+waxman+businessweek+2006

; )

- Dave

P.S. I can't imagine *where* the MSM is getting this stuff.

; )
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #81
84. This oot taeday...
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/15939263.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Posted on Mon, Nov. 06, 2006

ARMY CONTRACTS | Business in a war zone
Halliburton is alone no more
For lucrative deals to feed and shelter our troops abroad, a competitor emerges.
By DAN CATERINICCHIA and DONNA BORAK
The Associated Press


Snow


WASHINGTON | Halliburton has some competition for one of three Army contracts worth up to $50 billion each to provide food and shelter to U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Within days of former U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow becoming chairman of the New York hedge fund that owns IAP Worldwide Services Inc., the company submitted its bid for one of the huge Army contracts that will be awarded by the year’s end.

Cerberus Capital Management LP owns IAP, which is based in Cape Canaveral, Fla., and led by former executives from Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root.

KBR is currently the Army’s sole contractor for providing food and shelter to the military in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the Army wants multiple contractors for these services, and KBR is bidding again. Some defense analysts are predicting both KBR and IAP will each win one of the 10-year deals that start in 2007.

IAP’s chief executive, Al Neffgen, who joined the company in December 2004, served as KBR’s chief operating officer of government and infrastructure for the Americas region, while president Dave Swindle was vice president of KBR’s business acquisition and national security programs before joining IAP in April 2005. Chuck Dominy, a retired Army lieutenant general, joined IAP in July 2005 after serving for years as Halliburton’s chief lobbyist in Washington.

IAP was founded in 1990 by a former Army logistician as the United States was preparing for Operation Desert Storm; it now has 5,500 employees and $1.2 billion in annual revenue, according to a company spokeswoman. Cerberus became majority owner in May 2004.

IAP, which has smaller logistics and maintenance pacts with the Navy and Air Force, last month said it submitted a proposal for the Army contracts with a team that includes Lockheed Martin Corp. and Electronic Data Systems Corp. as well as Home Depot Inc., Microsoft Corp. and Sodexho Alliance SA of France.

An Army spokeswoman said bids were due Oct. 31, but she declined to provide details about the proposals.

The Army also will award a five-year pact worth up to $225 million to oversee the three contracts. The new support pact, which cannot go to a winner of the service deals, is responsible for program management analysis and documenting the performance of the contract awardees, according the Army.

KBR also submitted a bid for the new Army deals, its chief executive Bill Utt said recently during Halliburton’s third-quarter earnings conference call. KBR, the engineering, services and construction subsidiary of Halliburton, won the existing contract in 2001 and has been paid $17 billion of a potential $19.3 billion, an Army spokeswoman said.

That money has paid for more than 40,000 workers, mostly in Iraq and Kuwait, who have provided nearly 411 million meals, washed more...
Follow the link...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. Now Wait...
... for the MSM to start hammering them with questions about whether or not this "new" "competitor" isn't really just a "ringer" (note all the ex-KBR executives).

David Swindle - mentioned in today's article - was my group's boss's boss.

If there's a Swindle involved, there's a swindle involved.

; )

- Dave
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
86. "High horses have slippery saddles"
Guess nobody ever warned Dick about that.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. That's Because He's...
... "all hat, and no cattle," as the saying goes!

; )

- Dave
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. And Blazing Saddles...
... still makes me howl every time I see it!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/

Ides
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 04:57 PM
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88. NOTHING short of impeachment will stop them -- How much clearer. . .
Edited on Mon Nov-06-06 05:07 PM by pat_k
. . .does it have to be before the Democratic establishment says to hell with their self-imposed "Impeachment is off limits" edict??

Bush and Cheney will stop at nothing to gather evermore Uncontitutional power. They have proven it so many times, I don't know if they CAN make it any clearer.

Wake Up DEMS!! (Or be ready to take the revised oath -- changes mandated by "Pelosi's Pledge")

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and be derelict in my duty to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear foreswear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will fail to take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully negligently and faithlessly discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
89. An MSM Update...
... received a short while ago:

"Thanks again for speaking with me. I had also meant to share this article with you, for what it was worth. It was a small one, published last week, before we spoke."

"It's not a problem.. unfortunately, my calls haven't been returned. Sometimes lawyers in this town return calls late in the day, after 6 pm or so, so it's possible that I'll get late call backs. Also, the elections may be messing up people's schedules."

I'll continue to keep everyone posted. Many MSM outlets are allowing reporters to file stories overnight for the elections, so late confirmation/fact-checking calls may still spawn a new wave of stories.

- Dave

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 05:12 PM
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90. You completely lost me with this part:
"Cheney can fiddle while the BakerBotts firewall burns, right before his eyes, on C-SPAN."

Can you please translate that into very simple, direct English? I haven't the foggiest notion what you're talking about.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Sure...
I wrote: "Cheney can fiddle while the BakerBotts firewall burns, right before his eyes, on C-SPAN."

1. Nero "fiddled while Rome burned," or so the legend goes. We're seeing a similar phenomenon from the Bush/Cheney White House right now.

2. BakerBotts is the law firm that has masterminded the KBR spinoff. It is also the law firm affiliated with the BushCo. congliere, former Secretary of State James Addison Baker, III.

3. Since Cheney has suggested that he would refuse to testify himself, he can watch the steady stream of others who will not hesitate to testify, on C-SPAN.

- Dave
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 06:31 AM
Response to Reply #91
105. Thanks. No wonder it all went over my head. :0)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 07:43 PM
Response to Original message
92. More ENRON.COM Site Traffic Earlier...
... I wonder what they're worried is gonna show up overnight?

- Dave
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FernBell Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 09:41 PM
Response to Original message
95. k&r
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:39 PM
Response to Original message
96. Wasn't there a shredder service near Chenney's house the other day?
Or was that only a joke?


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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. It appeared on Wonkette...
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #100
103. So the Wonkette is it a "real" catch or satire like the Onion?
I know he took 4 days to delete emails before Fitzgerald got ahold of him.

And it looks like he's got a shitload of evidence to dispose of... maybe we will never have the real proof on these guys. Wouldn't that just suck?

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:42 PM
Response to Original message
97. cheney ignores everything and everybody, why because he
is big DICK cheney. what an ignorant and arrogant man.

full steam ahead huh dick?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:46 PM
Response to Original message
99. Great, he can be the first one we subpoena.
We can charge him with contempt of Congress.

:)
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 07:00 AM
Response to Original message
106. Good Mornin`
Are we ready fer a fine fine day?
:)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #106
110. Aye...
... as I stepped out to walk to the polling place this morning, I caught a faint whiff of - what was it? - indictment weather!

; )

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #110
111. I must admit something
I have told fellow co-workers that if they vote fer my candidate....
I will make them a whole cake...flavor of their choice...
Is that against the law?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #111
113. LOL...Well, Let's See...
... which state? We could look up the election law.

As long as you keep the amount of rum, whisky, bourbon, and other "ingredients" below the specified value...

; )

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #113
116. I make
a hellofa "Kentucky Bourbon Cake"
Got best of the show at the local county faire...
Almost a cup of bourbon...ummm
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #116
117. Yeah, That's Probably Over the Legal Limit, Ma'am...
... we're gonna hafta confiscate this here cake as "evidence" of voter intoxication.

:rofl:

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #113
120. It worked...
:)
I owe him a cake, an` my cakes are deadly...;)

Go Ned, Go..
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #110
112. Rain here, Is it an Omen of Indictments to Come?? n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #112
114. Look out for Locusts...
... and flocks of swine!

; )

- Dave
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 10:17 AM
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118. Isn't that called "Contempt of Court"?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #118
119. It's Called...
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 02:10 PM
Response to Original message
122. While yer waitin`
Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 02:12 PM by Buttercup McToots
some Celtic music from Mr.McToots...if ye care tae listen...
Tis a fun song...have ye ev`r heard of "Whiskey Galore"?
Mr McToots wrote this fer the remake...
http://www.broadjam.com/transmit/transmit.asp?txygnbz=4811&chkldsxv1=245284&yhgbndsq=1
Back tae Google...
cheney halliburton nigeria sec
:toast:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #122
124. He should burn a CD of his best stuff...
Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 05:34 PM by IdesOfOctober
... and send a demo.

Ides

P.S. We coulda popped that in for the party tonight!!!
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123. Up Up Up AWa`
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125. He Hunted While Rome Burned
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- Dave
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