My lil' old brain gets a little more flatulent each day, too! LOL!!!
Anyway, it was a little strange the first go around. He stated clearly (while Matthews was talking over him and interrupting) here's the transcript: (Sabato is pretty far down the page)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15013777/...
SABATO: I said he was devoted to, I called him a redneck, but I think he would embrace that term himself, Some people called him neck. That was his nickname.
MATTHEWS: You mean with the cowboy boots, the confederate flag, the noose, the whole works. What about these charges that he actually used the bad language that some of us are familiar with in this country—in fact, most Americans are—the bad language about people from another, other background—did he do it?
SABATO: I can‘t say how frequently he did it,
but I don‘t believe him when he denies never having done it.MATTHEWS: Well that in this country, for that generation, is a very hard test. The accusation here, I believe is that he was distinctive in what is being called racial hatred, that he regularly used the awful word, the “N” word with some sort of attitude. Is that true?
SABATO: Well I‘m simply going to say that I‘m going to stay with what I know is the case. And the fact is that he did use the “N” word, whether he‘s denying it now or not. He did use it. It was the ‘70s, you‘re right, it was a harsh term, it was an obscenity at this as far as I‘m concerned.
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So this gets into who do you believe, or is it more likely that you believe the ones who make accusations and believe the others are simply loyalists. Then again, they go back and check the contributions, and the guy who—this guy Sheldon (ph) apparently gave to a Democrat down there and he campaigned down there. He also gave to a Republican.
How do we know who to believe? You say believe the accusations, right?
SABATO: I‘m saying only about the “N” word. I‘m not saying about the other instance. I wasn‘t there for those incidents. But...
MATTHEWS: How do you know about the “N” word? How do you know, Larry, about the “N” word?
SABATO: Because there is other evidence that I‘m not going to go into on your show, Chris, sorry.
MATTHEWS: But you can swear to this?
SABATO: I absolutely
believe that he used the “N” word. That is absolute correct and I do believe that. Also I must tell you, Ken Sheldon is a very able, dependable fellow, highly regarded.
MATTHEWS: But you never heard him use it, did you?
SABATO: Chris, I‘m not going to go into any more details.
MATTHEWS: No, that‘s a yes or no. I mean, if you have, you have, if you haven‘t, you haven‘t.
SABATO: Yes. Well, and there are the two choices and you just presented them and we‘ve had a nice talk.
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It was weird, and maybe it's just my perception, but what I took from it was that he had people (including Ken Sheldon) who he absolutely trusts their word that told him they heard Allen say it.