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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:01 AM
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I voted twice this morning
Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 09:03 AM by lazyriver
I live in one of Maine's Unorganized Territories (UT)and I vote at a polling place in the nearest town. In every election before 2004, I have filled out a paper ballot for my district that is different from the ballots of the organized town in which I vote. We in the UT's do not vote for city office in that town, so when any city office is contested, our ballots are geared to the UT in which we live. Until 2004, all voters at this polling place filled out a paper ballot that was then folded back up and dropped through a slot into a very old looking locked wooden box. Our votes were counted by hand.

For the 2004 election we had for the first time optical scan ballots that were fed into a machine after filling them out. Since no city office was up for grabs in 2004, I filled out one of the optical scan ballots that everyone else uses when I voted in that election.

This year I was handed two ballots by the poll worker after I checked in, one was folded up and the other was a two-sided form designed to be read in the optical scan machine. I asked why I was given both ballots when I believed that I should only receive the one that was not an optical scan ballot. The poll worker (a sweet old lady who has been working the polls for many years) said that the UT residents had to fill out both because of some of the offices that were up for election this year. I questioned her again and said I had never done this before so she checked with another poll worker (a nice old man who was even older than her)and he too insisted I had to fill out both ballots and that they were different.

* Edited to add: I just read Skinner's post listing phone #'s to report problems*

I took my ballots into the booth and filled out the optical scan one first (straight Democratic ticket)but realized that there was a city office candidate listed (a Republican as the only candidate) so I wrote in "Bill Clinton" for that slot. I then flipped it over and voted on our two questions. I then unfolded the second one and it was identical to the first one except that it did not have a city office race listed. I filled it out just like the first ballot, including the two questions on the back. When I was done, I walked back to the registration desk to ask one more time if I was really supposed to submit both ballots. They politely insisted they knew what they were doing and directed me to the optical scanner on the way out of the polling place. When I got there, I explained to the worker overseeing that step of the process why I believed I was voting twice. She really wasn't listening to me and instructed me to run BOTH ballots through the scanner. I unfolded my UT ballot and showed her that not only was it not designed to be read by the scanner, it was also two inches too wide to fit through the feed for the scanner.

I now had her attention. She called over an elderly man (who was not as friendly as everyone else) who appeared to be in charge and started explaining to him my case. He cut her off rather abruptly and said I had to submit both ballots. He opened a slot on the side of the optical scanner that looked like a mail drop box and said I should put my UT ballot in there and the other one through the scanner. I asked him to explain how I was not voting twice by submitting two ballots and he said, "Well, you can't vote twice. Everyone only gets to vote once". He asked to see both ballots, then asked me where I got them. I pointed to the registration table and the worker who gave them to me and he said, "Well, if that's what they gave you, you have to submit both". Getting frustrated at that point (not to mention getting late for work and causing a line of people to stack up behind me)I dropped my UT ballot in the side of the box and fed the Optical Scan ballot into the front.

While I was doing so, another elderly man walked over to see what was going on and began talking to the man that up to that point appeared to be in charge. As I was walking toward the door, this second man asked me what had happened and I explained it to him. He said I was correct and should have filled out the ballot for the UT's only (which he called a provisional ballot) and in fact, I had just voted twice. I asked him if we needed to make a correction and he said we could not since others had already submitted their optical scan ballots behind me and he had no way to "back out one of the votes" or open the provisional box. He assured me he would instruct the poll workers in how to handle UT voters properly. I got his name and have arranged to go back over there at lunchtime today to follow up with him.

If there is a silver lining, I was the first person from my UT to vote this morning and the problem should be corrected for the rest of the election. The UT in which I live is chock full of Don't- take-my-guns-away, Librul-hatin' Repukes. At least the one vote that will be counted twice in my district will be a blue one.

Where should I report this incident? I can only imagine that if happened where I am, it can happen elsewhere.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:06 AM
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1. That's an interesting situation
Well, like you said, you got two blue votes in a red area - so it's not all bad - lol
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:17 AM
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6. I feel extra Democratic today!
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:07 AM
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2. They mistakenly made me vote twice in the recent primary election
here in Florida. I tried to tell them, but they aren't very bright.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:12 AM
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4. So it's not just a "Maine Thing" as I suspected
I appreciate the poll workers being there and trying to help the Democratic process but I do have to say ours aren't exactly the cream of the crop.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:12 AM
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3. Gee I voted in Maine and they gave me two . It seems
we have people from some part of town that live in the next town??????????? but vote here. I brought it back and had her tell me what she was doing and I could not see how I should vote in both towns and twice for every one. She laughed as it was just an error. That one part of town gets that other towns paper. Do not ask me what this about but that two towns are moving together and no one knows what they are doing I guess. The paper then goes in a machine after you mark it. I marked every Dem. on the thing.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:16 AM
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5. I'm happy that we have paper ballots
but concerned about the way our polls are run. There seems to be some confusion once you walk into the polling place. I think I'll use this experience to motivate myself to work the polls in all future elections. I'd love to learn more about our strange process.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 03:49 PM
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22. This seemed to be about part of the town that was next to
another town and I asked and the man said they voted to do it this way in that part of the town. This polling place is near to them. Some of these small Maine towns do funny things. This town shut the town Hall a few years ago for a week or so to save money and years ago they got rid of the police. Now they just pay County for police force when they need it. Another town I lived in shut roads in winter so they would not need to plow them. They would clear up to homes and it was a job getting out but the town meeting came and they voted on it as OK.As the saying goes one had to go all around robin hoods barn to get home. For get about the dump pick up you cart your own.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:23 AM
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7. I'm still scratching my head.
Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 09:23 AM by mmonk
I expect no anomalies in my precinct in Raleigh, NC where our voting system was tightened considerably (because of machine problems in eastern counties) and is one of those nationally where risk is considered low.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:26 AM
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8. I would report this to the numbers given here as other precincts
may also be making this mistake. UT is pretty red usually. Better to report it than to lose by default.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:44 AM
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11. I'll be calling the numbers in Skinner's post
But I actually live in Maine which is overall a blue state that for some reason elects Repuke Senators. "UT", in my case, stands for Maine's Unorganized Territories that have no local government.

Thanks for your suggestion.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:51 AM
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12. Thank you for having your thinking cap on.
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:27 AM
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9. This is important
I'm a journalist for the weekly St. John Valley Times.

If you are in The County, then your story comes under my beat.

Could you tell me the location of your polling place?

Normally I hang out at SmirkingChimp.com, but the new format has gotten so annoying I've been observing DU more often. This seems like a good reason to delurk.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:39 AM
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10. I'm in Penobscot County
My polling place is the Knights of Columbus Hall in Old Town.
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 09:55 AM
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13. That's too far out for my fishwrap
I recommend you call the Bangor Daily News.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 10:19 AM
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14. Good idea
Do you know anyone there?
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:51 AM
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16. Try this
I don't know here personally, but Julie Murchison Harris, Managing Editor, is at 990-8285

BDN is pretty big, so you will probably end up talking to someone else.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 01:13 PM
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18. Thanks...I'll give her call
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:20 AM
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15. Hi Android3.14!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:52 AM
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17. Hey back atcha
Thanks for the welcome.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 02:54 PM
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19. hey, Bear, this is for you and your buddies
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armistice Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 03:24 PM
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20. reporter inquiry
Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 04:18 PM by armistice
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 03:32 PM
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21. Maybe we are eating too much mercury and it has made us all dumb?
What is so hard about everyone fills out one ballot and submits it?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 04:00 PM
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 04:29 PM
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24. Ah, I just realized these other responses were out there
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 08:23 PM
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25. Well here's someone who clearly didn't READ your post...
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