Marnieworld
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Tue Nov-07-06 10:38 AM
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I'm not sure I even voted it was so confusing. When I got to the polling place there was no one to explain or guide a new voter to computerized voting. It was unclear who was to give me my voting card or even that I should expect one. There was just a pile of them on a table where you sign in. The card itself was the size of a credit card with the same exact appearance of the Sim Cards in Cell phones. Same chip. Then I had to wait for poll workers to collectively get rolls of paper tapes out of the machines. Paper! Beautiful, unambiguous precious paper being removed as if the machines had the ability to record the votes but they wanted to negate it. This was about an hour after the polls opened, but they had just realized that it should be done. The Constable stationed there and I rolled our eyes together and I muttered "Democracy in Action" under my breath. Even he was disgusted. Finally, they moved on to remove paper from another machine, and they motioned me to proceed. I had to tell them that I didn't know what to do and didn't know how to use the machine. So the paper removing poll worker then "helped" me. My card was rejected by the machine with a red error message "Card has been cleared. Remove from reader." She pulled a new card out of nowhere and I hesitated to exchange my card for the new one. Isn't that my card? Then the next one didn't work so she tried maybe 2 others before a card was accepted and I was allowed to "vote". So I ignored the "Straight-party Dem" option because I have read that that is easier to hack(makes sense) and chose Dem candidate after Dem candidate all the while the giant DIEBOLD logo loomed down across the screen from the upper-left corner. I was still so disoriented from all of the card switching, but I committed my "vote" pulled out the card and then looked up yet again hoping for a little guidance. The ditzy poll worker had been at the machine next to me. I asked her where do I leave my card? She said with a smile,"Oh you just give it to me." "To you?" "Yes. Just give it to me." I placed it in her hand in a daze. Her hand? Give it to her? The same woman who a moment ago was flashing cards all willy nilly? A poll worker that was near enough to see who I voted for accepted that very vote and there was nothing I could do about it. This is madness.
On my way out I asked one of the half dozen seniors who worked the polls if there was an application to volunteer to help out. They looked horrified and said quickly, "No." I stared and repeated "No?" and was told that maybe I could check at the courthouse. This tight clique of seniors wanted no part of me that's for sure. It's a shame though because not only do I care more about the integrity of each and every vote more than any person in that room, but I work in IT and I am definitely not confused or panicky if there is a computer problem. They were making comments about what a stressful morning it had been and joking about spiking the coffee and the place hadn't been open a whole hour. The gravity of the situation was completely lost on them. They were just too overwhelmed and there was no one in the know, in charge. We need reform at this most basic level for competence or else we are doomed. The election is literally in their hands!
Ones and zeros are friends of mine, but we need paper ballots and secret, secure boxes again. I went to polling place and did the best job I could do but did my vote count? If the Democrats even regain just one House of Congress, in addition to the many investigations, we have to make sure that a vote isn't a leap of faith but a guaranteed right.
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Tue Nov-07-06 10:43 AM
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how did it get to this???
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Marnieworld
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:08 AM
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4. Here, I thought it was just me |
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It's odd that I was supposed to hand my vote to a person right? We had more secure elections in grammar school.
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Tue Nov-07-06 10:44 AM
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2. Wow. Thanks for sharing. What state? |
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We'll be voting for the first time on one of these machines. DREADING it.
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:00 AM
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Last year's election was a Democratic sweep for all offices local and State. I have zero faith in any results from this precinct, but at least that's the history. ;) I will investigate volunteering there in the future. At least so I can be a spy and report.
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:10 AM
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Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 11:11 AM by MelissaB
Edited to say: Did you report this problem?
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:14 AM
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6. Here's a place to start. |
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:31 AM
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7. I wasn't sure what exactly to report |
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It seemed as if everything was according to plan but I just disagree with the plan. If it is the SOP to just take the cards what can I do? Eventually I did get a card and "vote" and there wasn't really a problem. Yet I don't feel confident that it will be counted from the experience.
I will report this to a place where I can just email it though, but I want to keep those phone lines available for bigger problems which unfortunately we can just assume are happening.
What would be the complaint? Insecure storage of voter cards before and after vote? A general vibe of confusion? I think I doubt myself because I entered very sensitive to these issues.
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:35 AM
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8. OMG! This is HORRIBLE!!! |
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I'm STUNNED -- too stunned to say anything!
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Tue Nov-07-06 12:58 PM
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Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 01:03 PM by Marnieworld
I was worried that I over-reacted.
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:39 AM
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9. Does the vote stay on the card or in the machine's memory? |
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I am sooooooooooo not IT savvy and when my poll workers told me in 2002 that the vote is in the machine's memory and that card only acts like a key to turn the machine on I believed them.
Was I told wrong and the card really is my vote?
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Tue Nov-07-06 11:44 AM
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10. My assumption is that the vote is recorded on the card |
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That each card represents a vote. That's why I was amazed that they were just lying in a pile at the entrance and that collection afterwards was so casual. If it was just to allow the machine to register the votes why have more than one card. My treadmill needs me to insert something in order to turn it on as a safety precaution. But that card just hangs attached to the treadmill. It's my understanding, and correct me anyone please, that each card is a vote. It looks just like a phone sim card which stores data into its own memory so I think it stores the vote.
Well, in theory.
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Tue Nov-07-06 12:03 PM
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my voter information is loaded onto the card then when I insert the card it turns the machine on and lets the database know I voted. But the vote stays in the machine's memory. Then I hand in the card, they clear it and start all over again. I don't know if I was told correctly or not.
My polling place keeps about 6 times as many cards as they have machines so there can always be cleared cards available for the next voter. But they certainly have never kept enough cards for each incoming voter.
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Tue Nov-07-06 12:14 PM
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12. Well if that is the case my vote really didn't count |
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If I had a card given to me that was just for me and then they changed it several times, what were the other cards? Personally I don't think that there should be any cards because it is so insecure. Then again if it's just a machine recording everything, what's the backup? They weren't physically networked computers and wireless networking would be sinfully insecure. I can't imagine they tabulate by gathering up machines and interacting with them? The whole thing is such a mess.
Paper. It was good enough.
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Tue Nov-07-06 01:09 PM
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14. incompetence vs intentional fraud... doesn't matter |
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but it's a potent talking point. "look -- we're not saying anyone has to be intentionally defrauding the election, but CLEARLY there's INCOMPETENCE giving the illusion of LOST votes."
hand me the card!!! holy freaking hell.
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Tue Nov-07-06 01:13 PM
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15. I got the overall impression that they were more afraid of making mistakes |
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with the computers than with providing people with a chance to vote. There was an air of panic under the surface that someone might figure out that they are w i n g i n g it like a couple chicks with a new cash register, keeping you waiting as they figure it out together. One is a minor annoyance the other a tragic threat to our democracy.
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Tue Nov-07-06 01:57 PM
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18. senior citizens in charge of ELECTRONIC voting machines ... |
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i wouldn't want to be in that position... if i were not conversant with technology. it's not just a matter of pointing fingers at the senior poll workers, but a matter that the ELECTIONS SUPERVISORS should have taken responsibility for.
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Tue Nov-07-06 02:17 PM
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I was torn between putting in that detail about them being seniors because it could be seen as bashing. Yet we all know that many seniors are not comfortable with technology, they are usually the citizens with the time to devote to volunteer. Yet these aren't their kind of elections anymore. Clearly at least in my area this wasn't executed successfully. There needs to be reform. There needs to be adequate training. There needs to be supervision by an impartial technical person. There needs to be standardization about every step of the process. These people would be just fine with the right training in place.
Like Bobcat said in another post: These systems are designed to fail.
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