Hey Californians!!!

[Pharaoh]

I just don't get it ..........

Arhnolds supposed to win right?

I thought you people out there were really intelligent. How can your state elect a complete moron like Arnold?:wtf:

:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :yoiks:

[Betsy Ross]

1. Ahnold cut auto registration fees.

So we know how much a vote costs in California.

[Kerrytravelers]

10. And not even by that much.

I told a friend of our that she amy save a bit on her car, but imagine all the kids who are losing out when he cut funding for special education that negatively affected kids living below the poverty line.

But, she got to upgrade her stereo. How caring.

[Kikosexy2]

13. For appeasement...

purposes...Gov. Groper decided to play out his latest role...portray himself as a liberal centrist disguised in Repig clothing...play well with the Demmies so all can see he's willing to be fair and bipartisan...But once he's in (again) he'll try to shove the Repig agenda down our throats full throttle...never trust actors who portray politicians...they're the worst of the worst...VOTE ANGELIDES!!!

[drmom]

2. I have NO idea...

... he is about the most corrupt politician I've ever seen in this state. The amount of money he takes from special interests is incredible. My best guess is that people are star-struck. Personally, the sound of his voice makes me sick.

[Nikki Stone1]

5. The PUGS have been royally trashing Angelides

And, though I voted a straight Dem ticket, Angelides wouldn't have been my choice to run this year.

[Pharaoh]

7. Me too!

he's a blithering idiot..........they forced gray Davis out on the Enron coup and installed Da fuhrer!

[sass29429]

20. No kidding

about Angelides. Can you see anybody but a died in the wool toe-tag Dem voting for him? Ther's nothing about him or his background that makes him attractive to the vast majority of the electorate. We have fallen into the trap that ensnared the GOP here for years. We let the radical wing of the party win the primary and presented a candidate to the voters that makes even the moderates vomit. Ahnold is probably going to end up with an even higher percentage than he did in the Re-Call. And Bustamonte? Great he lost weight, WTF is that for a campaign issue? We deserve to get our butts kicked on this one.

[RC Quake]

37. I agree

Many conservatives held their nose and voted for Ahnold over McClintock just to make sure Bustamonte didn't get in. Now he's in and they have no other choice except Angelides. Sorry, but I had to hold my nose to cast my vote for Angelides also. A lot of nose pinching going on here in California. Sometimes you have to go with the "little" that is offered.

[lapfog_1]

56. Same here

I would much rather have post-recall Grey Davis back. After he lost he became very human... and his taunts to the gropenfuher about how to pronounce "CALLI-FORN-YA" were hysterical. I sure wish political "handlers" would shut the fuck up and let people be themselves.

Voted for Phil... don't like him much.

Oh, and the governor doesn't have THAT much power here... most of the budget, for example, is mandated by law (all of those ballot initiatives). So Gray couldn't do much about the crises (which was gamed on us by Enron and the rest of them), and neither can Arrrrnold... or anyone else.

[Demobrat]

3. He's running against a boring beaurocrat type.

Californians will forgive anything but boring.

[Kerrytravelers]

4. He is a movie star.

During the recall election, reporters were interviewing people. So many voted just so they could have the Terminator as governor. It was quite sad, actually.

And now, unless you're really paying attention, you don't see many Angelides ads. Most people I know couldn't tell you a thing about policy, and some don't even know the opponent's name. And yet, they vote. Even though I disagree, if someone can tell me what policies of Schwartznenidiot's they prefer to Angelides then at least we can have an intelligent debate... sort of. But with the Governator, most people don't care. It is cool to have the Governator. :eyes:

[mitchtv]

6. Angelides ran the worst campaign ever

for a start or should I say He didn't run a campaign?

[devilgrrl]

17. Was Angelides campaign that bad or did the MSM blow him off?

How about Arnie's free air time on Monday Night Football and Jay Leno????

[mitchtv]

40. spent all his money on the primary (Nasty one at that)

took a vacation after winning(like Kerry and Lamont); allowed himself to be defined without defending himself, hired Davis' people, put all his eggs in one basket strategy (groper= *). Plus he knew Groper's media strengths .

[L A Woman]

47. His campaign went like this...

Arnold likes Bush! Arnold likes Bush!

It was all he had. Horrible campaign. I voted for him, begrudgingly.

[Webster Green]

8. Back off man!......I didn't vote for him!

Some of my fellow Californians swoon over movie stars.

I can't stand the limp-dicked, steroid-addled, Hummer driving mutherfucker!

[MindPilot]

9. Just keeping up with tradition. After all we gave the country

Reagan and Nixon.:hide:

edited cuz I caint spel good

[Pharaoh]

11. you could be ahrnolds

secretary!

[Frances]

12. Thanks for the smile

I moved to California in 2002 just after my blue state Maryland elected that Bush clone Ehrlich (despite my best efforts).

My husband and I turned in our absentee ballots this morning; we voted for Angelides, but I don't think he has a chance.

Arnold has 3 times as much money as Angelides; Jay Leno had him on his show (just as he did during the recall)and the FCC said that Leno did NOT have to have Angelides; Hollywood big wheels are backing Arnold.

Sometimes I think it would be better if California were divided into 2 states; a politician without money has no chance because the TV markets are so expensive.

[AndyTiedye]

14. He's An Actor, So the Entertainment Industry/MSM Automatically Supports Him

[livetohike]

15. I didn't vote for him and "he" just called me too

His GOTV robocall.

[sass29429]

18. Me too

The phone just rang and guess who. Too late I already voted.

[livetohike]

19. Welcome to DU sass29429

:hi: Enjoy the fun :-).

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[Pharaoh]

22. I'm a hick cause you guys have a moron

For Governor?:popcorn:

[Pharaoh]

24. I mean

Did'nt he just borrow money to push the debt down the road so he does'nt have to deal with it?

[Disturbed]

25. It almost seems like the Dem Party in CA gave up.

The chose Angelides, who "makes even Gray Davis appear charismatic."

The Gropenator listened to his advisors and moved to the center and signed a few Bills that pleased CA Dems. People that think he is stupid are wrong. He is clever, still has Star Power and is real persistent. His economic policies are geared toward Big Biz and the Super Wealthy but he is more socialy liberal than most Rethugs. Most people that vote do not have much of a clue about policy issues. They vote for superficial perceptions.

[Cleita]

21. I don't know why Arnold is polling so well. Most of us are

smart enough to know that the few crumbs he has thrown to get re-elected aren't going to change anything if he is re-elected Governor so I'm thinking that the favorable polls he's getting are Rep. propaganda.

Looking at one of the polls, he was 13% ahead of Angelides, however there were 16% in that poll who were fence sitters or undecided so this cuts it much closer to the bone.

I guess we are going to have to wait for tomorrow to get the results. I for one am holding an image in my mind of Arnold giving his concession speech. It can't hurt.

[Beaverhausen]

23. I don't think anyone could beat him - and for the record I didn't vote for him

so stop blaming me, damn it!

Remember, we give you one of the best senators - Ms. Barbara Boxer. So we CAN do some things right!

[melody]

26. Why do I get this feeling the chip on your shoulder is showing?

>I thought you people out there were really intelligent

We're a huge state with vast areas of agricultural land that run very red indeed. California is not San Francisco and Los Angeles. If they had run a decent candidate, a Democrat would have won handily. Somehow, Angelides with all his "ecologically suspect" (local commentator's words, not mine) baggage somehow came off as anti-environment against Alpha Male Schwarzengroper. Also, poor Phil looks like a sweet geek, but a geek nonetheless.

[Pharaoh]

28. Sorry just trying to understand

I will leave you californians alone now,didn't mean to piss anyone off,

I love you guys! and I love your state!

And I'm rooting for Pelosi to be the next speaker of the house! :patriot:

[tishaLA]

27. I think Angelides has run a bad campaign

You can see people kvetching about it in the CA forum. Schwarzenegger was beatable this year--so much so that he had to start talking like a Democrat--but Phil never managed to define himself. To top it off, people who could have helped him (i.e., Villaraigosa) have largely been AWOL or haven't given the kind of support one might expect them to give.

[devilgrrl]

31. It would have been nice if the MSM payed attention to Angelides!!!

What a shame that he didn't get free air time on Monday Night Football and Jay Leno!!!!

:sarcasm:

[robertpaulsen]

29. Lackluster support from Dem Party, especially Villaraigosa.

This article should explain quite a bit:

The Faint Endorsement

Antonio and Phil kiss and make up, but how deep is their love?
By DAVID ZAHNISER
Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 6:00 pm

“Ain’t no mountain high enough” was the song that a grade-school marching band used this week to greet Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa as he went to South Los Angeles to do what had been demanded of him by impatient Democrats for so many months: endorse Phil Angelides, the party’s candidate for governor, a lackluster political presence who had been lagging in the polls.

Forced to wait an hour for the mayor to show up, one young saxophone player at Foshay Learning Center kept playing a different tune — the infectious intro to “Promiscuous,” the monster R&B hit that had dominated radio the entire summer. And that was certainly the more appropriate musical selection, given that Villaraigosa had just engaged in a summer fling with Angelides’ opponent — Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

But that’s what the end of summer is really about, isn’t it? No more summer flings. No more dangerous dalliances. Villaraigosa, who had flirted with a Republican governor all summer long, settled down on the first day of school by pairing himself off with Angelides, the bookish-looking guy with the spectacles who, like so many nerds on campus, is very much the underdog in the upcoming fight with the governor.

School is, in fact, what kept Villaraigosa and Angelides apart for the previous three months, as the mayor devoted his considerable political energies to a legislative plan for gaining power at the L.A. Unified School District. To succeed in Sacramento, he exacted a promise from Schwarzenegger to sign, sight unseen, the bill to remake L.A. Unified — details be damned.

more...

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/the-faint-endorsement/14411/

Interesting personal anecdote. A couple days ago, I got a robocall from President Clinton urging me to vote for Lt. Gov. Garamendi. I have not received a single robocall from anyone asking me to vote for Angelides for Governor.

[tishaLA]

32. I really believe Villaraigosa played

"let's make a deal" with Schwarzenegger so he could get control of LAUSD. And I believe he did it because he wants to be the next Gov. of CA.

[robertpaulsen]

34. I agree.

I once attended a meeting where Tom Hayden was discussing LA politics. He called Villaraigosa the most powerful and ambitious politician he's ever met. So I totally buy your "let's make a deal" scenario so that Villaraigosa can count on ample support for his 2010 run for governor. I fully expect to see him win the Democratic primary in 2016. That's not Hayden talking, but after what I heard him say I doubt he'd disagree with my prediction.

[shanti]

49. i've had lots of calls for angelides

...from my union.

[Red Right and BLUE]

30. I didn't vote for him. nt

[Peace Patriot]

33. Long story. It started way back in May 2001, when Schwarzenegger met

with Ken Lay and other Bush Cartel operators, as the storm over Enron was developing. How to prevent California from getting back the $9 billion that Enron stole? Got to get rid of Davis and the Democratic regime (Dem Lt. Gov, Dem A.G., and soon a Dem Sec of State). How? First, via the then current Repub Sec of State, Bill Jones (who now works for Sequoia), install electronic central tabulators and voting machines, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations (with help from Tom Delay, Bob Ney and Christopher Dodd in DC and $3.9 billion in funding from their shameless "Help America Vote Act."--HAVA '02). Blame the CA budget woes on Davis, and pull a real fast one--a very weird and unprecedented Recall election, with 125 candidates on the ballot (easy for Diebold & brethren to shift votes around), before the new Sec of State, Dem Kevin Shelley, gets his footing in his new job (took office in 1/03, Recall was in 9/03). Time mag and Larry King chip in with millions of dollars worth of free publicity for famous actor Schwarzenegger during the brief, 6-week campaign. Schwarzenegger gets "elected" in the first major e-vote election in Calif.

Shelley smells a rat. By May 2004, he has sued Diebold for their lies about the security of their machines, demanded to see their source code, decertified the worst of their machines (the touchscreens), and provided Californians with a paper ballot option at the polling place. Six months before the 2004 election. A few little blips in the news about some kind of corruption charges against Shelley, just prior to Nov. Kerry takes the state by a 10% margin.* Shortly thereafter, the charges against Shelley reappear. They still sound kind of vague in the news stories. One of them is that Shelley "misused" HAVA funds. But the heart of this allegation turns out to be that he has been WITHHOLDING some of the HAVA money from county election officials to purchase Diebold's crapass, hackable machines. Connie McCormack, the Dieold shill and advocate of paperless voting who heads elections in Los Angeles, tells a Calif legislative committee that she wants to "bulldoze" the Sec of State's office to get that money. (Her best friend was the chief Diebold salesperson in Calif. at that time.) She heads a cabal 17 Diebold-corrupted county elections officials (mostly Repubs) who are out for Shelley's skin. The new Dem leaders in the state legislature (the old guard had all just retired) abandon Shelley to the wolves, and strongarm the better Dems into silence. The corporate news monopolies--SF Chron in the lead, but also Sacto Bee and LAT--are all chiming in about Shelley's "corruption."

By Feb. '05, Shelley--who has no money to hire lawyers to defend himself, and, with the corrupt Bushite federal election commission threatening to investigate him, and his office entirely disrupted by this fracas--resigns. (Also, his mother died the week before.)

Schwarzenegger APPOINTS a Repub Sec of State who immediately begins undoing all of Shelley's reforms, makes the lawsuit against Diebold go away, illegally RE-certifies the touchscreens, and surrounds himself with Diebold and other e-voting industry "advisers" and Bushites. The Dem leadership does nothing--doesn't even propose a Dem for the post (the voters had JUST ELECTED a Democrat--Shelley--only a year before!)--despite their possessing 2 to 1 and 3 to 2 majorities in the Calif legislature.

The so-called "corruption" charges against Shelley were referred to A.G. Bill Lockyer, who declined to prosecute. It was all stuff and nonsense. And Shelley was basically without blame (--just overworked, with the unusual Recall and the grave problems with the new e-voting systems), and certainly had committed no crimes.

So that's how Schwarzenegger became governor of California (--and Schwarz, in turn, made Davis and Bustamante's lawsuits and other efforts to get Cali's money back from Enron go away). (--all of this blackholed by the Corporate media.) And, as we know, incumbency creates a big advantage in and of itself; add to this Schwarz's extraordinary fame, and scads of his own and other funds of money, and the cooperation and the collusion of many Dem state leaders--who, among other things, insured a lackluster choice of Dem gov candidates this year in the primary--and you have at least some major clues to how "blue" Calif can have such a governor. We are looking at a very focused Bushite effort to turn "blue" California into a "red" state, against the will of the people. And, with Diebold having free reign in our state, we are going to start seeing some other very weird pro-Bushite "results" in Calif elections. We've already seen one in the CA-50 special election. Expect some more today. We have a BIG problem of corruption connected to these HAVA e-voting contracts (billions of dollars involved) among Calif state and county election officials and state legislators, and, also, what do Bushites do? They loot. California is a big pot of gold, even with our billions gone to Enron. We have pension funds, medi-cal, and other social programs, and many other resources, yet to be looted. We need to clean up our party and start fighting back--now!--because we are about the become the staging area for the Bushites future plots.


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*(Kerry won the state by a 10% margin, but the result nevertheless had a very strange aspect to it. Senate incumbent Barbara Boxer won the state by a 20% margin in the same election, which might be explainable by her incumbency, except that all of the difference between them occurs in only the Republican counties. What this means is that a whole lot of people voted for Boxer...and Bush! OR, corrupt county officials were looking the other way as Diebold GEMS tabulators shaved votes from Kerry in Repub counties, and gave them to Bush to pad Bush's national popular majority. The attack on Shelley was very likely designed to stop his investigation into Diebold's source code, so that this kind of vote stealing could occur undetected not only in Calif, but all across the nation. Shelley was a leader of the election reform movement nationwide, and was inspiring other election officials to look into the matter of these untested machines and their secret code.)

[nini]

41. Please, Please.. no facts

That would take their fun away blaming all Californians for this mess.

[shanti]

53. excellent wrap up!

that pretty much tells it like it is with regard to california politics. :thumbsup:

[Hekate]

55. Yeah, that sounds about right. Plus Angelides is competent but boring, while Ahnold is a star

Bleah.

California has given the US both Nixon and Reagan, I'm sorry to say. The middle of the state is conservative, and that's a lot of voters.

Hekate

[kma3346]

35. I don't get it either

I barely saw any ads (television or otherwise) from Angelides. He had a golden opportunity to tie Arnold with Bush but didn't. I'm still hoping against hope that the unpolled masses (like myself) will drive Arnold out of office. But I don't have much hope at this point....

[Xithras]

36. No competition.

And it had nothing to do with the MSM ignoring him. Up until a bit over a month ago his campaign was almost completely nonexistent...no mailers, no commercials, no nothing. He was "touring" the state doing appearances in person, but even those were largely not advertised. In a state the size of California, you CANNOT run a touring campaign without advertising it heavily. Heck, I didn't even know he was in my area until I read an article in our local rag about it the next day.

When Angelides did finally start running ads, they attacked Bush instead of Arnold. To quote one newspaper, they seemed to indicate that Arnold was unfit for office simply because he was a Republican, and offered no other supporting arguments to back up the charge. While many here would agree that being Republican does make him unfit, the average voter wants a bit more substance to the argument. In essence, the ads were targeted at the party faithful, but ignored just about everyone else.

Angelides DID finally start running genuinely useful campaign ads a couple of weeks ago, and his numbers surged once he actually began making political arguments instead of insulting Arnold over his party affiliation, but by that time he was already so far behind that he had little chance of catching up.

I swore I wouldn't vote for him (he's a developer, and I hate developers), but I did cave and cast a vote for him this morning. I figured that, at this point, he could use all the help he could get.

[Pithy Cherub]

38. Angelides, here. My friend

loves saying she voted for a movie star. Personality plays BIG here! I tried, I really tried...:(

[kestrel91316]

39. Don't blame me. I voted for Gray Davis, and now for Phil.

[Pushed To The Left]

42. I voted for Angelides

If the election had been held last year, Angelides would have destroyed him. We had a really nasty primary war between Angelides and Steve Westly, which weakened Angelides quite a bit. Meanwhile, Schwarzenegger is convincing people he is now a liberal/moderate and is getting a lot of Democratic votes. I voted straight Dem myself!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

43. He's An Actor...

'Nuf Said

[shanti]

45. exactly

it's not like it hasn't happened before here, an actor....:eyes:

[shanti]

44. don't look here

i NEVER voted for him.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Feh. Double Feh. Angelides ran a crap campaign, and Arnold worked overtime

to play up his "moderate" credentials - particularly on things like choice and the environment.

That said... yeah, it sucks. I sure as shit didn't vote for him.

Still, I'm sitting here with the window open and it's easily 65 degrees out. Still. It was 75 & sunny all day. Been like that the past two weeks.

How's the weather in Wisconsin right now? :evilgrin: :yoiks:

[Jack Rabbit]

48. Well, with twenty minutes before the polls close, I guess I can say this now

First of all, Arnold did a good job a re-inventing himself. He started that the very night of the specila election debacle.

This doesn't mean I think he's a good governor. He's not. Gray Davis might have survived, but the perception -- not wholly inaccurate -- was that he didn't have a clue what to do about the budget crisis (albeit not one of his making) and that he spent entirely too much time fundraising. Davis was replaced with Arnold, who doesn't have a clue what to about the budget crisis and spends entirely too much time fundraising.

Second, the Democrats helped him out by picking as a opponent a lackluster politician who looks like a chipmonk with five o'clock shadow.

I'm not very happy with the way it turned out.

[Raine]

50. *sigh* once again

Angelides and Westley the two Democrats had a bloody primary battle and both came out so damaged neither of them could've gotten elected probably even if they had been running against Satan himself. Also Angelides has been missing in action for months, no commercials or anything. Angelides comes off as not very likable while Arnie comes off as personable and yeah likable.

[upi402]

51. I give up on them now. I hope another ENRON fucks y'all forever

drop off the map already, idjits!
Christ!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!????????????????

California liberals are so depressed about that.
I talked to one there tonight that is pretty demoralized. Didn't like Phil, nor his campaign, but seriously folks. WTF?

[Tulum_Moon]

52. Auurrrnolds robo callers

called Angilidies a gray DAvis clone.

[gardenista]

57. Thanks for the good wishes

So how are things in your state?

Did you go 100% Dem?

Do you have any idea how large California is, and how much geographic and cultural area we cover?

What is with the hating on California?

[Der Blaue Engel]

54. What's with the blanket insult? Like your state's full of geniuses?

:eyes: