Brown and Ford results prove DLC way doesn't work

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Screw this 'centrist' pandering bullshit and stand for something
tonight proves Howard Dean and progressives right
McAulliffe never in a million years could have deliverd these victories

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Agreed

[ecstatic]

2. what about Casey, Webb, and Whitehouse? nt

[TheWraith]

3. Uh, 'scuse me?

Brown won, and Ford may yet--but he certainly would have if it weren't for supression of the black vote.

Part of the point of a 50 state strategy is having a big tent, allowing for moderate Democrats in places where other Dems wouldn't win. We wouldn't be winning Virginia or Montana if we weren't running moderate Dems, if we were running the same candidates we would in NY or CA.

[Bucky]

8. I believe the OP's point (and it's a stupid one) is that Brown is a "real" Dem and Ford is DLC

The reality is that -- sit down for this one -- and if you have a heart condition please don't read any further -- that Tennessee and Ohio are different states. Ohio had a HUGE series of scandals in their Republican led state government while Tennessee has a moderate Democrat as governor and no scandals to generate a voter backlash.

Comparing the two and trying to draw any inferences from the two outcomes is like pointing out that you do a better job fishing off Cape Cod than you wood at Tranquility Bay.

[still_one]

20. Different states have different constituents

You cannot use one brush to paint all

[Wetzelbill]

15. well, Tester (MT) isn't really a moderate

he's pretty progressive, he just doesn't come off like he is. He beat Morrison in the primary who is a pure DLCer. And, Brown is about as liberal as it gets.

[William769]

4. So your saying if we ran a Liberal in TN We would have won?

Thats the best laugh I have had all night!

[LoZoccolo]

9. The 50% who don't vote are all hippies!

They just need their guy to stand up and they'll be all over the election even though they couldn't ever be counted on before!

[skipos]

21. 45% of the US sat out of McGovern vs. Nixon election

Was McGovern too conservative for them?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

28. if he'd taken up populist issues, yes

ford came close, due to anger at the GOP. he could have overcome the attacks had he gone populist

it was populism, not liberalism that sold Ohio on brown - as well as his authenticity

[Selatius]

5. Harold got slammed by that bimbo ad from Corker

When it came down to the wire, Corker had to pull the race card.

[burythehatchet]

11. I think it was the parking lot stunt

completely unnecessary and juvenile.

[still_one]

18. What is even more sad is that the people in Tennessee went to their

lowest level

[incapsulated]

6. Brown WON and Ford nearly did...

Which was amazing given where he was running and the shit that was flung at him.

[still_one]

16. you are absolutely right. Incidently, Casey won also

[tabasco]

7. Time for the Dems to stop the pandering to the corporate class

and start fighting for the People.

[krkaufman]

26. Yes, I think THAT needs to be the unifying theme of the party. n/t

[JI7]

10. Ohio and Tennessee are very different states

the fact that Ford made it so close shows what a good candidate he was and what a great campaign he ran.

if not for the racist ad he would have won.

[cynatnite]

12. Ford ran a great campaign here...

Both sides were talking about it earlier. Given how red Tennessee is Ford has to walk a tightrope here in order to get elected. Just the fact he got so many votes here says a hell of a lot. While I'm doubtful he'll win, I am encouraged by the response to Ford.

[still_one]

13. what about casey in Penn?

Not trying to start a flame, but we MUST BE VERY CAREFUL, NOT TO EXCLUDE

at the same time, WE MUST STAND STRONG FOR THE RIGHT THINGS

[understandinglife]

14. Screw the DLC - And, Major league SCREW LIEberman ...

BE AMERICA. ---

[skipos]

17. Clinton, Gore and Kerry all lost their elections? What about Lieberman tonight?

nt

[FrenchieCat]

19. Ford was the wrong color....nothing to do with DLC vs. Not....

I would admit it otherwise.

You are comparing Apples to oranges, and that's not fair!

Obama's gonna have to rethink this '08 "run". if Ford couldn't bring in the south, as he ran a really great race against a midget......I.e., he was a really good candidate, means that racism in the South would keep Obama from winning the Presidency.


Ford being Black is why he lost....not the fact that he touted a conservative agenda.

[cynatnite]

24. Keep in mind Ford got 48% of the TN vote...

I do think his race played a huge role in his loss tonight, but the fact he got so many votes says a hell of a lot. Ford ran an excellent campaign and got a lot of notice by both sides.

[William769]

22. And just to set the record straight

You have the DLC to thank for tonight.

[Pithy Cherub]

25. Uh, No

DLC sponsored candidates lost heavily this season.

Ford seems to be gone.
Tester beat the DLC in Montana primary. Tester is grassroots/netroots
Culver beat DLC in Iowa (and the Gov is DLC)grassroots/local netroots
Webb beat the DLC in Virgina. Webb openly admits he is netroots/grassroots candidate
Akaka wins over DLC in Hawai'i in primary challenge.
Angelides beats DLC in California primary.
There are more...

And on it goes. The DLC doesn't have anyone to gloat about except the heinous Joe Lieberman.

[LostInAnomie]

23. You're kidding right?

They are two completely different areas with a completely different set of voters with a completely different set of issues. It is an apples and oranges comparison at best. Even if you were correct about these two races it still wouldn't account for the other centrist wins in the senate and the scores of centrist win in the congress.

[Mr_Spock]

27. LMAO!!

Some smarty always has to make a biased point on the most important night in many many years.

You have NO idea what you are talking about.