CA; Ahnold wins 62% to 34% What the

[upi402]

hell got into California's water?

ugh

[bliss_eternal]

1. Orange County hurts us big time...!

Our only overwhelming Dem county is in the Bay Area. But when the very red Orange County voters hear they may be taxed and lose their rich write offs under the challenger (Anglides) they're going out in droves to vote against him.

[madmusic]

30. Not only Orange Country.

As you say, the only overwhelming Dem county is San Fransisco.

The maps will surprise most people, especially the ones who call California the Left Coast.

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/

[bliss_eternal]

35. Ugh...

that IS sickening.

I had this discussion with someone that moved here from Arizona. She now resides in Orange County and works there and in San Diego. She was absolutely shocked to find the attitudes and behaviour in Orange County to be so much more conservative than Arizona (in her opinion). She told me (shocked),"...they don't even recycle here!" ;)

[madmusic]

50. That's nothing! Check this out: Roots of the Right

A Harvard history professor re-examines the impact of conservatism in California's Orange County
By Heidi Beirich


Suburban Warriors: The Origins of the New American Right
By Lisa McGirr

Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2001, 395 pp., $18.95

Much has been written about the mobilized left in the 1960s. Its colorful flower children, longhaired hippies and successful anti-war movement captured the imaginations of many people, especially American academics, who wrote volumes about the era. Lisa McGirr, an associate professor of history at Harvard, sets her sights on a less studied, but just as radical political movement that arose at the same time: Goldwater conservatism.

McGirr focuses tightly on the rise of this movement in Orange County, Calif., where a suburban counterculture arose that mixed hardcore conservatism, libertarian opposition to government, fervent anti-Communism and religious traditionalism into a potent, radical and fairly wacky stew that would eventually put Ronald Reagan into the California governor's mansion and, ultimately, the White House.

San Francisco's counterculture had nothing on Orange County in terms of outlandishness. Orange County was home to the world's first drive-in church, with parking for 550 cars. In the early 1960s, high school auditoriums were filled to the rafters with students excused from classes to attend Fred Swartz's Southern California School of Anti-Communism.

A lot more: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=49

[bliss_eternal]

66. Thank you for the link, madmusic!

I'm bookmarking so I can read more on the site later. I read what you provided and that IS scary. :scared: Honestly, sometimes when I'm in Orange County it's practically palpable, if that makes sense.

[liberaldemocrat7]

75. Not an odd stew, but a strange brew of Republicans.

hehe.

[Carla in Ca]

82. Oh, Bliss

You are so right, sadly. When we talk to our only Dem neighbors, we still whisper! Oh well, at least they let us vote.

[AndyTiedye]

2. We Never Stood a Chance

Only 30% approve of the Gropenator, yet he is invincible.

[EFerrari]

9. Wtf is the matter with us? I can't believe we re-elected

this so called person.

[Sapphocrat]

34. Beth, who is this "we" of whom you speak?

Certainly not you. Certainly not me. When it comes to such boneheaded moves from the starstruck drones with whom we are forced to share the most desirable state in the nation, this is when I divorce myself from the logically- and morally-challenged Californians who "earn" us the "fruits and nuts" label.

I blame it on... oh, hell, too many to choose from, but I'll pick Lodi, home of the West Coast Neo-Nazi Uprising. Tomorrow, I may pick Huntington Beach. The day after, I may choose Paradise/Magalia...

[bliss_eternal]

37. Don't you just hate them...?

It really pisses me off that people bring their intolerant, anti-choice, anti-environmental, uber-conservative, pro-corporate, money grubbing asses here! I see why so many liberals leave here--tired of fighting for space, a decent wage and the opportunity to buy a home that doesn't take them two and a half hours to commute to.

:hi:Sapphocrat! Great post, btw!

[Sapphocrat]

52. That's exactly why...

...I used to sport the bumper sticker "Welcome to California. Now go home." :evilgrin:

Thanks for the kudos, sweetheart. :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

59. I argued with this hateful woman

on a board I used to frequent. :crazy:

Get this, in 2004 she was all pissy because Dems in her area (San Diego I believe) kept stealing her W/Cheney yard signs and the few times they left them, they defacing them with dog feces. :rofl: This is the same woman that refused to admit that the GOP and gw were on a one way course to overturn Roe v. Wade or at the very least to make it very fuckin' hard for women to get birth control or abortions. We posted links to statements on the damned gop website and she still denied it. :eyes:

Another liberal on that board told her at one point, she was like a Jew arguing FOR the holocaust. She was SO out of her mind.

[Sapphocrat]

85. Actually, that image gives me some hope...

Dems in San Diego gutsy enough to deface GOP yard signs, I mean. That means... both Dems in San Diego County turned out? :7

As for the woman, "cognitive dissonance" has become my favorite phrase over the past six years. When all attempts to understand what makes these minds tick (and there's no assurance these people have minds at all, let alone ones that tick), CD says it all.

Well... Let Jesus sort it out for her. LOL

[EFerrari]

45. You are very right. San Francisco Co and Alameda Co

did not vote to re-elect El Gran Grope.

I don't believe L.A. is in yet.

[bliss_eternal]

53. It's times like this,

I'm ashamed to be a southern Californian.

[EFerrari]

64. Well, if the plate keeps moving, you'll be north soon enough.

:)

[Sapphocrat]

88. LOL! n/t

[Sapphocrat]

87. Sorry to say...

...Santa Clara County was unable to fight off the Jim Jones Kool-Aid influence this time (although 42.7% have retained our sanity).

I blame it on the influx of the nouveau riche outta-staters. Gotta blame it on something -- we're usually pretty sane as a group down here.

L.A. as of 1:25am: Phil 48%, Der Gropenfuehrer 47.4%. Too close for comfort, but our L.A. libbies are making their usual stand. :thumbsup:

[Ms. K]

83. Hmmph, that's what I wanted to know...

I am not part of that "we" that re-elected the asshat.

Nope. I didn't fucking vote for him, and I didn't vote for him the first damn time around, either.

*sigh* I'm just hoping that the ballot measures go the way I want them to.

[Sapphocrat]

90. It's a toss-up on the props...

I'm glad 85 and 90 went down, and worried that 83 passed. Here's the link to the soon-to-be-ousted Sec'y of State's site on the props:

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm

Hit the California forum, too -- it's moving a lot slower than GD.

And, welcome to DU, fellow Golden Stater.

[4_Legs_Good]

19. his approval has gone way up, no?

since his low.

Personally, though I didn't vote for him, I think he learned a lesson about trying to go around everyone with his dumbass special election.

Hopefully he'll get another run at non-partisan redistricting. I f*cking hate my congressional district.

david

[tridim]

3. No big deal

He basically promised to be a Liberal.

[bliss_eternal]

13. Yeah, like we can believe a word

out of his lying mouth. :eyes:

He promised to repay the schools. He didn't.

He promised to support choice for women. He has not.

He promised he would support gay marriage equality. He did not.

[upi402]

21. (small amount of vomit enters mouth)

ERP!


LOL


And the scorpion promises not to sting the frog.

ha ha ha ha

[bliss_eternal]

27. LOL! LOL!

:spray::rofl:

Thank you for that!

[Cha]

46. So politics in California should

be Veeeeeeeery Interesting for the next 4 years..watching arnolllllld keeping up with all his progressive promises.

[bliss_eternal]

67. ...watching all the video of the protests of him on DU.

;) I'm sure we'll have lots to protest.

[melody]

4. When you figure that out, tell all the Californians, would you?

On the plus side, we stomped out 85 -- once and for all, I hope.

[bliss_eternal]

7. Isn't it a pisser...

how they keep sneaking that damn thing in (prop 85 in different forms)? :mad:

:hi: melody!

[Ms. K]

84. naaaah, it'll be back on the ballot again

next year, is my guess. Someone will circulate petitions, trying to deny women and girls the right to choose, and because there are enough idiots living here (Riverside County), and in Orange County, and various other parts of the Inland Empire, we'll have to vote 'em down AGAIN.

I'm getting sick of seeing this thing every friggin' election. It's getting old.

Oh, and when are we going to pass laws that say that if a megachurch decides to get political, they lose their tax-exempt status? I'm sick of the Calvary Chapels that tell people how to vote, and that if you vote Democratic, you're unchristian, a Communist, and they're going to turn you in.

Can you tell today was a long fucking day?

[Sapphocrat]

91. Ohhhh, they'll be back...

...year after year after year. Like a wart that just won't. go. away.

We can only hope we're all young enough to outlive the misogynist jerks. Well, I'll hope you are. LOL

[WindRavenX]

5. it boggles my mind

how that fucking neanderthal got to be fucking GOVERNOR :wtf:

[shanti]

31. yes, but jerry brown

won! woo hoo!

[earth mom]

6. Ugh...what awful news!

:puke:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

8. Run Harrison Ford or Russell Crowe or Reese Witherspoon against him

Californians love actors more than someone with actual brains.

[Cetacea]

12. Good idea. eom

[shanti]

32. see, once arnold's done

they will be hard pressed to find someone similar. by then, the dems should have someone worthy.

[bliss_eternal]

39. You think so, shanti?

:hi:

[upi402]

70. George Clooney works for me

He's doing anonomous self-less things in Italy. It only came out after staff at a nursing home refused to let him in...

LOL

[Cetacea]

10. weird, isn't it?

I know two Cali dems who became Repubs. I think a lot of it had to with Davis. Still, something is weird with California.

[4_Legs_Good]

11. I'm a Californian and...

I'm not crying about it.

It keeps him from making bad movies.

I know, priorities, priorities.

david

[Cetacea]

15. LOL. . eom

[bliss_eternal]

17. LOL!

I admit, that made me laugh.

[cynatnite]

14. Not a surprise...

Ahnold learned how to be a politician. He got his ass kicked on all those referendums a while back and figured out what Californians want.

[bliss_eternal]

20. ...or to tell them what they want to hear

so he can get re-elected, then deny it. :eyes:

Seems more consistent with his character.

[cynatnite]

23. A lot of it, yeah...

but he realized that he had to start working with those people he pissed off. Once he started figuring out how the game is played and working with everyone else, it helped his chances. He's a repuke, but he's not a stupid one.

[bliss_eternal]

28. I disagree,

respectfully of course. ;) :hi:

I believe he's stupid. He's too stupid to make sure the recording devices aren't on when he starts to spew his racist, sexist bullshit.

[0rganism]

51. Two words: Ronald Reagan

I don't know how old you are, or if you remember...

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." (August 1984, into an open microphone right before a broadcast speech)

I hope that helps put Ahnold's candid comments in some kind of perspective. Compared to Reagan, he's a goddam genius.

[bliss_eternal]

56. That gave me a giggling fit...

I know it's not REALLY funny, but by comparison--you do have a point. :rofl: I was pretty young at the time, so I don't recall it--but thanks for that! :hi:

[0rganism]

42. Hey, if he keeps that up, he could turn out to be a pretty decent governor

For all the bitterness and contempt that gets heaped on him here, he's a very practical and moderate republican -- and IMHO, far smarter than Ronnie Raygun ever was. Democrats will have to run someone much tougher than Angelides to unseat him.

[bliss_eternal]

61. Um,... try living here first.

...under his fascist regime, broken promises and indulgence in personal special interests. :eyes:

What kind of progressive opinion is that?:shrug:

For all the contempt that gets heaped on him here? :wtf:

[gatorboy]

16. Ahnold became a (fake) Bush hatah to save his skin.

Wonder if Fox will mention that?

[hang a left]

18. It might have to do with the SOS

and the machines all over the state. This is a huge populous state. They have it wired.

Have you heard anything about the Bilbray/Busby fiasco???

Check out bradblog

[upi402]

24. yes, and maybe now some light can be shed on these cockroaches

[madmusic]

22. California is not really liberal

Simple as that.

[bliss_eternal]

25. It seems that way sometimes, doesn't it?

We have pockets of liberalism here and there, but we seem outnumbered. :(

People assume we are liberal--seemingly because of Hollywood. The film industry has liberals working in it, but they don't run it. Corporations run Hollywood.

We seem to be liberal in terms of our environmental laws (ie no smoking, etc.) but we seem to have to fight hard for other issues--aleternative energy, choice, etc. :cry:

[madmusic]

40. The Right has concentrated their efforts here...

...for over 30 years. California being a bellwether state made it worth sparing no expense. The attack on the judiciary started here. Using initiatives to pass conservative legislation, based on propaganda designed to bypass the elected legislature, started here. Beginning with the removal of Chief Justice Rose Bird, they invented the straw man of moral panic to hide their intentions. Liberalism is going to destroy America, vote conservative. Crime is going to destroy America, vote conservative. Feminism is going to destroy American, vote conservative. Environmentalists are going to destroy American, vote conservative. Their real reasons were always big business. They were so successful here, they used the same tactics across the nation. Rush Limbaugh started in Sacramento, so did Reagan.

California hasn't been liberal since they took the ax to Justice Bird. That's worth a Google and some research. Once one discovers what that was REALLY about, the propaganda machine makes sense.

[bliss_eternal]

68. omg--so this started long ago...?

When was Chief Justice Rose Byrd on the bench?

[madmusic]

74. '82? '85?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bird for a quick rundown.

Most interesting is who was behind it and how they still influence elections and politics.

[bobbieinok]

79. the proposition that froze property taxes + basically destroyed CA schools

and universities.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Yeah, Arnold's gonna win. But the numbers aren't gonna look like that.

None of the results mean jack shit until the dense urban areas, like LA County start coming in. If you've watched CA returns in recent years, they always skew GOP in the beginning because the Red counties- which are generally much smaller- are counted first. Shit, Bush was ahead or tied in CA in the early hours both in 2000 and 2004. And he got his ass whupped here, twice.

Angelides will lose, and he ran a shitty campaign, but the final results are NOT going to be 62% to 34%.

[bliss_eternal]

29. Good points, impeach...!

:hi:It will be interesting to see what the final numbers are.

Angelides just conceded I heard (on NBC). :cry:

So, what are we going to do to make Arnie's life a living hell for this term? :P

[Warren DeMontague]

41. Right now I'll settle for having Debra Bowen in the SOS office...

...instead of his hand-picked toady McPherson. That and Pombo are what I'm watching tonight.

[bliss_eternal]

62. It's still close isn't it?

I'm watching, too! How about Pelosi, 'huh?

[Warren DeMontague]

76. Check it out - LA is coming through. Bowen is pulling ahead.

Here's the link to the SOS results:

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/sec/00.htm

if you hit "refresh" you can get new numbers, usually every 15-30 min or so.

And LA County is only about 60% in. I think she's going to win! :woohoo:

Pombo is losing, too.

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/1100.htm

As for SPEAKER PELOSI (Man, that sounds good. And the history gives me the chills. About time.) Eeeek! It's "San Francisco Values" time!

(Look out, kids, now it's going to be impossible to find a parking space in DC. And when you do find one, it'll be on a hill with a 60 degree incline.)

I gotta go to bed. I'm really going to enjoy tomorrow's morning paper.

[Sapphocrat]

33. No apology here. We own more then 10% of the population, so...

So, we end up with a lot of shitheads in California. And serial killers. The two are morally equal; the only difference is that at least most of the serial killers are behind bars, where they can't hurt anyone anymore.

Trust me, we're not all shitheads. Too many of us are, but not all of us.

(NOW can we please cut off Orange County, the Central Valley, and the extreme north, forever? PLEASE?!)

[Ladyhawk]

36. The foothills are Republican Land, too.

I live in them. I know. :|

[bliss_eternal]

48. Sorry about that Ladyhawk.

:( ...whereabouts are you? (pm if you don't want to post publicly). :hi:

[dubeskin]

55. No kidding

I do too. Too many Repug signs everywhere. But there were some nice Charlie Brown signs.

[upi402]

38. "can I get a fault line?"

"HIT ME!"

I know some very progressive liberals in Cali, but I just don't understand this man even working on my house.

[bliss_eternal]

47. LOL--I can't stand to hear his voice.

It grates on me almost as bad as having to hear the boy king speak.

[bliss_eternal]

44. No argument from me...

though a few of our Dem friends that live behind the Orange curtain may not like that much. I'd sure hate to force them to into exile--they try so hard to turn it blue. Unfortunately they're just outnumbered out there. :(

[FrenchieCat]

43. Star Fever and amnesia! n/t

[tabasco]

49. My State - - Maryland gave a repug governor the BOOT !

:kick:

Our friends in California should have done the same thing.

:shrug:

Gotta let me brag on my State a little bit now!

:patriot:

[bliss_eternal]

54. Congratulations, tabasco!

I'm very happy for you and the great state of Maryland! Way to go!
:applause:

Forgive us, we're mourning our loss right now. :(

[KingFlorez]

57. He's an actor

That played a big part in his victory I think.

[NuttyFluffers]

58. ugly primary leads to sweep in the elections.

not hard to figure out. that, and utter lack of advertisement parity.

[Nikki Stone 1]

60. Have the absentee votes been counted?

About 50% of registered voters in CA voted absentee according to SFC. I wonder if these have been counted and how many skew Democratic.

[SoCalDem]

63. It's all in the numbers.. If there are enough outstanding to change the

total, they'll matter, but ..who knows?

[Balderdash]

69. Around 50%

of all registered Ca voters voted absentee and those are big numbers. If they haven't been counted yet... Does anyone known when they are counted?

[Duncan Grant]

65. Angelides was one hell of a candidate.

:sarcasm:

[bliss_eternal]

71. Why pour salt in the wound?

:shrug:...is that really necessary?

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Becasue he ran a terrible campaign

if you can call it that

[upi402]

72. that's what my Cali peeps say about his campaign

What? Did he bash babies with bats? How bad do you have to be to lose to the neanderthal?

[bliss_eternal]

73. LOL! It wasn't an aggressive campaign

to be honest. He wasn't as visible as musclehead, and didn't have anywhere as many ads it seemed.

[Warren DeMontague]

77. It was well nigh invisible, as far as I could tell.

I live in a very blue area - Lynn Woolsey country - and I didn't see any big push for him at all.

[upi402]

78. I'm 100% sure he was better than Ahnold

and would be a 100% better governor.

[bliss_eternal]

80. Absolutely!

No doubt about it!

Invisible or not, there were many (here on DU) that conceded defeat for Angelides after he won the primary. :wtf: They liked Westly better and never got behind Angelides. They've talked shit about him at every opportunity and frankly, that just sucks.

If you don't like something--don't sit on an internet board and complain, call his campaign-voice your concern, volunteer, whatever. But just dooming him to failure...:banghead: Did they want to get rid of Arnie or not?

[Duncan Grant]

81. Agreed.

I'll hold my criticisms of the Angelides campaign for a few days. Looking forward to talking about it though...

[tom_paine]

89. CA loves it's celeb politicians. Always has and always will.

It's not a partisan thing, I think. It's a "we're the state that makes everybody's movies and TV" thing.

What we Dems need to do is find a wise & compassionate celebrity Dem to run for CA governorship in a few years.

Calling George Clooney?

[bliss_eternal]

92. Rob Reiner...?

:shrug: Barbara Streisand? Warren Beatty?