It's time to discuss impeachment

[EvolveOrConvolve]

I'd really like to post a poll to catch DUer's actual thoughts on impeachment, but I can't because of the restrictions on posting right now.

So, instead of that, all in favor say AYE. All against, say NAY.

I'm currently against impeachment, but maybe someone can persuade me........

[customerserviceguy]

1. Nay

Let him be the titular head of his party exactly two years from now...

[EvolveOrConvolve]

3. Would it help us in '08?

I know he is a world class asshole, but there is nothing more humiliating than being deposed by a democratic society.

[OKNancy]

2. Not going to happen

waste of time
Pelosi said no
Bush would be out before it would be done
tie up useful time that could be spent on realistic goals

[EvolveOrConvolve]

5. What are our goals?

Like the talking heads said tonight (over and over and over and over), the Dems don't have manageable goals and objectives, especially when it comes to Iraq. I'm even confused myself what we're going to do.

[cali]

4. A reluctant nay.

If my new Senator, Bernie Sanders, isn't behind impeachment, it ain't gonna happen. House leaders understand they have no chance of a conviction in the Senate, and with all the new conservative dem reps, they know they don't stand much of a chance in the House.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

6. Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at.

It's a nice dream, though.

[MGD]

7. Never has there been a more deserving president IMO but he's gonna sneak out of there

unscathed. It sucks.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

9. Not unscathed

He still has his conscience and his God to deal with (even though I don't believe in God). He will pay for his sins somewhere or somehow.

[marions ghost]

23. y'know

thinking this way is exactly what leaves us vulnerable to nightmares like the reign of King George.

It IS our responsibility to use legal means to expose criminal activity at the highest levels of government, or the corruption will continue and the bullies will continue to push the limits and abuse the rest of us. We need to have the nerve to proceed in launching investigations that will deter anyone from hijacking the US government again. We need to grow a spine about this. They have expected us to put up and shut up. It is our moral duty not to do that now.

The Chimp has no conscience so that is not a factor in "punishment." Who cares about what happens to him specifically anyway? This is about prevention of more such crimes against humanity far into the future. "He will pay for his sins somewhere" is passive, naive thinking. He needs to pay in ways that are concrete, ways that can be understood by his cronies and supporters, and ways that will act as deterrent far into the future.

We need some earthly justice in this case.

[seabeyond]

8. FIRST there has to be investigation. i would hope people are reasonable

hee and not assume new congress steps in and says i impeach thee...

then what comes out of investigation is what we deal with. so ivestigations can be yelled. to yell impeachment is immature

[EvolveOrConvolve]

12. And what would those investigations turn up?

It can't get any worse for Bush right now. The power of subpoena on the part of the HoR is a strong stick for us to wield.

It's not premature (I assume that's what you meant when you said "immature") to talk about impeachment. After all, Dems have been talking about it for several years.

[sampsonblk]

10. Aye!

Start impeachment hearings and scare the daylights out of them. But I do not favor going all the way through with it.

[geebensis]

11. Right Now, No. But...

With the dems in power in the house we'll have better access to real information on the lead up to the war. You never know what might turn up.

It wouldn't surprise me if, in a few months, the right rock will be turned over and America will find out something that can't be ignored. If that happens it will be Americans who demand impeachment, not just democratic congressional representatives.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

14. What else can we find that is worse than what Bush has done already?

I'm against impeachment for now, simply to save my own sanity, but what else can Bush do that is worse than what he has already done? If we can't make a case for impeachment based on Bush's blatant disregard for the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions, what can we find that would allow us to impeach him?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Waste Of Time....

There are 35-40 Blue Dog Democrats in the House who won't go along. There are also a lot of Democrats who aren't Blue Dogs who won't go along.


Impeachment is a political and legal act. Even if criminality exists there is no will in the country for it just as there wasn't for Clinton...

[EvolveOrConvolve]

15. If the will wasn't there to impeach Clinton

why was he impeached?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Because the GOPU Were High On Ideological Crack.

It was a circus...


There wasn't a bat's chance in Hell he was going to be convicted in the Senate...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. And The GOPU Ignored The Will Of The People, That's Why So Many Of Them Are Now Unemployed

...

[EvolveOrConvolve]

21. Amazing to think that Clinton had a 65% approval rating

throughout most of the ordeal.

[Bobbie Jo]

13. Aye

After we get most of the troops home safely. We have a huge mess on our hands.

But yeah...time for payback.

[drbtg1]

16. I'd rather spend time to get out the criminal foundation

Halliburton, Richard Mellon Scaife, and the others. From that, we start checks and balances plus find evidence of wrongdoing in the other enterprises.

We can wait two years for a regular criminal prosecution of Bush.

[Tesha]

18. Forget impeachment; work for *INDICTMENT*. (NT)

[bluecrush]

19. It's time

for Bush to be fully accountable for his war. Impeach and convict him.

[Dogmudgeon]

22. If there's evidence for a LIHOP/MIHOP 9-11 scenario ...

... he won't just be facing impeachment, he'll be facing a trial for capital crimes -- with a still-actively-pro-death-penalty populace.

In the absence of that extreeeeemely unlikely case, the best route is just to investigate ... then investigate some more ... then investigate some more. It will destroy the Republican Party as well as completely sullying Little King George's "legacy".

--p!

[LTR]

24. I think it's a bad strategy now

A few years ago, I would have agreed (though the thought of Cheney taking over scared me).

However, I think this would backfire badly on the Democrats. Even more so than the Clinton impeachment killed Gingrich politically. Impeachment precedings will only make the Dems look petty.

I much prefer the "First 100 Hours" approach. I think it's brilliant, and if the Dems bust their asses and get this country moving again, this will win them favor. If the impeachment thing comes along naturally, so be it. And I have no problem with their use of subpoena power, if need be. But this needs to come along naturally.