MSNBC: Allen to Challenge the Results

[Cush]

though Allen expects to be down by 10,000 after today (Dem leaning precincts still to report)

[Mandate My Ass]

1. Quelle surprise

:eyes:

[Politicub]

68. Say it with me...

SORE LOSER!!!!

[txindy]

81. Now say it with me...

Open up those machines and let's investigate! Hand over the source code!

The repubs will stop him before they'll allow that. Furious George is toast.

[SouthernBelle82]

87. And if he loses even

more than he'll be even more of a loser.

[niceypoo]

85. Let him challenge it....huge discrepency between counted Webb votes and exit poll results...

They cheated massively....let the cards fall where they may...

[proud2BlibKansan]

91. My thoughts exactly

Ain't Karma a sweet thing?

[American Jesus]

2. Three words, Macacawitz

GET
OVER
IT

:grr:

[Jiyah]

104. Three more words

fuck off, loser!

Here's four more:

Go the fuck away!

[WinkyDink]

3. He's claiming victory as of right now. WTH?

[HerbieHeadhunter]

4. I believe "Sore Macaca-man" was coined last night...

as the proper way to refer to him.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. Yup

[Drifter]

101. Some respect please ...

that would be "Former Senator Sore Macaca-man"

Cheers
Drifter

[ronnykmarshall]

5. Interesting ...

Now they know how we felt about Florida in 2000.

[MidwestTransplant]

34. Hmm, 500 votes vs 10000K little different I think

[Straight Shooter]

39. No, they'll never know how we feel.

Allen didn't get anything stolen from him. He's just p.o.'d because he pulled every dirty trick in the book and still didn't win.

[Pretty_in_CodePink]

57. Not really. We DID win! n/t

[plcdude]

6. as he should

and then let's take a close look at possible fraud since exit polls were somewhat different than the "so-called" actual vote.

[Mr_Spock]

7. Bye bye racist bigot loser

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

[npincus]

8. did he provide another dopey football metaphor

for the challenge?

[Cooley Hurd]

9. Man, what a SORE LOSERMAN!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::

[Jacobin]

10. How many times does he want to count the votes?

Why can't he 'just get over it'

I'm trying to remember the other things they said in 2000.

:bounce:

[central scrutinizer]

24. we need to hire some thugs,

to ring his office in DC and chant: "Get out of Webb's office" the say the repugs ringed the Vice Presidential mansion in 2000 and chanted at Al Gore: "Get out of Dick Cheney's house!"

[Apollo11]

52. Wait a second ...

That would be like saying that what the Repugs pulled back in 2000 was OK.

I respect candidates efforts to ensure that every vote is counted.

I wish Kerry and Edwards had been able/willing to do more about fraud and theft in 2004 (we had 4 years to prepare ourselves for the various vote-stealing tactics employed in that election).

If the law says he can ask for a recount, then let him ask for a recount.

Let's not base ourselves on how the fascists behave towards us.

[Turbineguy]

54. That's right

who knows, a recount may show he lost by an even wider margin.

[central scrutinizer]

63. I should have used the sarcasm icon

no, I wasn't being serious, just reminding us all of the bully-like behavior of the republicans

[txindy]

83. The recount must involve investigating the machines. All source code analyzed.

How far would the GangOfPedophiles let Macaca get in a recount if that was a condition? About one inch.

[demnan]

90. Count me in!

Also I can write him a letter as my Senator. Watch RaisingKaine.com I wouldn't doubt someone would do that!

[Wednesdays]

Yeah, counting the votes over and over

until he gets the result he likes. :eyes:

[buff2]

28. "They just want to keep counting the votes until

they get the results they want. They lost,we won."

That's one of the things they kept repeating over and over.

Karma...I love it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Fucking baby...sore loser...asshole...dick head...rat bastard....

idiotic FOOL. You LOST! Go cry in your tea cup now, Otay?

[Kerrytravelers]

12. I figured he would. I would, in his position, if it were that close and I had the chance.

He still won't win, but it's his money to lose.

[ImNotBuying]

32. Doesn't the state pay for it?

I thought the state picks up the recount tab if it's within 1% in which case he'll get in one last jab at the taxpayers for his defeat.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Yes. The state will pay for it. If the difference is 11,000 votes or under.

If the votes are higher than 11,000 then Fritz has to pay for it.

[LostinVA]

77. No, if it's within .5, teh state pays for it, +.5, he does

[progdonkey]

46. within .5%, the state pays for an automatic recount...

If it's greater than that, he has to request the recount, and he foots the bill.

[Wickerman]

13. what a whiner!

the people have spoken - you lost, accept the mandate and get over it. :evilgrin:

[Richard Steele]

14. I'm thinking this is a GOOD thing.

I'll wager he will NOT do better in any fair recount,
only WORSE. Much, much worse....

[AllexxisF1]

22. ...

Does he really want to drag how the Republicans ran this race in Virginia? Does this racist asshole really want people to see the threating phone calls and all the other voter intimidation tactics his group was doing.

Allen should conceed.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. There was also a very CURIOUS 20,000 vote jump where there shouldn't have been

that big of a jump for the asshole. I HOPE they uncover election fraud on the machines.

[Patsy Stone]

16. Oh, let him...

Count 'em all over again. I ain't skeered.

David Shuster said last night that 11K was the magic number for an automatic recount. Allen didn't need to say anything, it was just a photo-op.

[skooooo]

17. GET OVER IT!

[David__77]

18. sore loser! quit wasting taxpayer funds for your vanity!

[wilt the stilt]

19. bye bye

Allen and Santorum. Your careers are toast. Get a real job hopefully on minimum wage.

[matcom]

20. NOW? you want to count the votes NOW?????

:rofl:

[insane_cratic_gal]

21. Let him

I think he lost by a far larger amount.

[GainesT1958]

30. If they do...

It'll only get worse for "Macaca Man"!

Hasn't he put his family--and his people--through enough?

Then again, considering he put his little brother through a plate glass window, maybe not.:eyes:

Jim Webb's going to be the next senator from my home commonwealth, and this won't change that fact!:D

:kick:

B-)

[sinkingfeeling]

25. Heard somebody say last night that the GOP intends to take the challenge

directly to the Supreme Court.

[progressivebydesign]

73. I believe it.. I just posted below about the depth of this "recount" effort. n/t

[lpbk2713]

26. WAAHHH

[City Lights]

27. Wah wah wah.

Get over it, you racist scum!

[JackBeck]

29. He just spit all over any Presidential hopes.

Being a sore loser doesn't look very Presidential.

[tavalon]

71. I don't really think this spit is going to be very noticeable

Macaca man has spittle all over his already failed presidential bid.

[Double T]

31. another ONE in a 'State of Denial'..........

couldn't even win by cheating

[Beetwasher]

33. GOOD!!! Let's Look REAL Close At the Results!!

I say go for it. All the fraud was on the part of Allen and the Governor and SOS are Dems so he won't be able to pull any shenanigans in a closely supervised recount.

Let's look very closely at this race. I predict Webb will increase his lead and STILL win AND we may even find more evidence of fraud on Allen's part, and when/if we do, we should go forward w/ prosecutions.

[AspenRose]

105. Yep...pull out that magnifying glass. Go ahead!

Felix is a fool.

[progressivebydesign]

35. SORE LOSERMAN!!!! Geez.. the guy can't count 10k is formidable. n/t

[deadparrot]

36. Shocker, that.

Oh, well. I think Webb's got it in the bag.

[Bitwit1234]

37. Who Didn't know that..

As usual he is showing the type of person he is. Wimp wimp wimp..trying every single cheating trick he can. He and rove must be brothers under the skin. No wonder he tried to scare people off from voting. Maybe they ought to deduct one vote for every threatening phone call.

[Old Vet]

38. We need to watch Allen closely...

Now hes got gillepsie down there, These are vicious bastards.

[Binka]

40. Toothless BEATEN Vicious Bastards...Mr Ed Scares Only His Wife

[SaveElmer]

43. Fortunately...

The Secretary of State is a Democrat...

In last years Attorney General Race the Republican won on election night by a few hundred votes...the Democrat challended, and the recount occurred. The Republican lead held up.

We are talking about 8000 now, probably 10000 by the time provisional ballots are counted...

Unless there was a MAJOR counting snafu in multiple jurisdictions it seems like an uphill battle for Allen!

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

70. Allen probably benefited from some election fraud and still lost

In addition to the thuggery of robo-calling and threatening minorities with imprisonment, there is the disparity between this thin margin of victory and the 52/47 exit polls. Diebold anyone?

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. Same thing with Talent in MO

He tried to steal it but still lost. :rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Send our 7,000 lawyers to Virginia! WATCH these rat bastards! n/t

[bigpathpaul]

42. If the tables were turned, Dems would expect the same.

Would a single one of you not demand the same if the numbers were reversed?

I believe Webb has won, but let's be fair.

[Akoto]

47. I agree. Can't really blame him for the choice.

If I were in that position, I'd certainly demand a recount, if only for the sake of knowing for sure.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. No. 7,000 VOTES??? That's a HUGE margin.

If it was 700...then yes. That's too close for comfort, but 7 THOUSAND votes? and Webb will win by even MORE than that once ALL the votes are counted.

[WildEyedLiberal]

88. You are correct

Of course, Kerry was down by 100 THOUSAND in Ohio and that doesn't stop idiots here from bitching about it.

[Apollo11]

53. Strongly agree

I respect candidates efforts to ensure that every vote is counted.

I wish Kerry and Edwards had been able/willing to do more about fraud and theft in 2004 (we had 4 years to prepare ourselves for the various vote-stealing tactics employed in that election).

If the law says he can ask for a recount, then let him ask for a recount.

Let's not base our actions on how the fascists behave towards us.

Karl Rove and Tom Delay are not my role models! :-)

[Firespirit]

59. I agree -- let Macaca bring it

Recount it by all means. I don't want Webb to enter the senate with ANY doubts over his election. But if this happens, we better make damn sure we have observers and lawyers in every single recount site, with recording equipment if VA law permits it.

There are only two reasons why Felix could want a recount.
1. He is in the state of denial.
2. They're planning to commit further fraud during the recount.

If they contest, bring in the army -- the army of election protection officials.

[progressivebydesign]

67. No.. that is not like 500 votes.. it's at LEAST 7k.

Webb has won, and Waaaaallen is being a sore loserman. I'm CERTAIN the GOP/RNC have lots of filthy tricks up their sleeves. Have we learned nothing from 2000??

[Teena]

45. I suspect...

that Macaca Allen thought his friends would help him win by a huge margin. This must have him shaking in his jack boots.

[wiggs]

49. Lock down the machines and guard them. nt

[Lone_Star_Dem]

50. The people have spoken. Get over it, WaaAllen

I've been waiting six LONG years for that, and it felt pretty good.

[Treclo]

51. na na na na

na na na na
Hey Hey Hey
Goodbye!!!

[hasssan1]

55. Legal action aginst him

Dems / Web people MUST take a legal action aginst this ass hole Rat . they tried all kind of dirty shit to cheat and still he LOST. you have to love this.

[GumboYaYa]

56. Great, now we have the perfect forum to air all the election

day grievances committed by the Republicans with he whole nation watching. Damn fools!

[LostinVA]

78. BINGO!

[formercia]

58. Allen is suffering from Berlusconi Syndrome

just can't admit he's on the wrong end of a razor-thin victory.

[Hubert Flottz]

60. For the good of the country he needs to "MOVE ON!"

Crybaby!

[mpendragon]

61. first order of business . . .

. . . celebrate the wins (projected or too close) immediately. Every elected Democratic politician should declare victory in the House and Senate and every seat in contention *today*.

If you leave this up in the air they will take it from us. We must convince the nation that we've won this so that their bullshit comes off as being sore losers and trying to steal elections. The American people don't trust voting under a GOP-controlled government nor should they and if we're going to keep these wins we have to make America understand that we've won the House and the Senate.

[Rottenmac]

62. He can't believe his pandering...

to the racist base didn't garner him a majority. He knows full well his 'KKKrew' was out intimidating, so how could he NOT win.

what a f-ing douche.

[jayfish]

64. In All Fairness Allen Was Not Against The Florida Recount.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/16/cg.00.html

ALLEN: Well, maybe. I also have a great deal of respect for Supreme Courts. I have a great deal of respect for the Supreme Court justices on the Virginia Supreme Court. And so, I think you have judges -- there were close decisions in Florida, close decision on the Supreme Court of the United States. A recount was had, the Florida Supreme Court extended the amount that they could have those hand recounts in Florida.

And again, rather than getting all too upset with some of the U.S. Supreme Court decisions, look at Miami-Dade County. Democrats said no, we can't get these ballots counted before this time. There's just too many of them and they didn't do it. If I were a Democrat I'd be livid by such dilatory approaches and then for Palm Beach County, they didn't want to work on Thanksgiving to go through those ballots whereas other counties, Broward and Volusia and others, got the job done.

So it's not something that I think is a high moment for the way to win an election. You like the people and clearly the votes making those decisions, but ultimately those decisions are being made by the courts and the highest court in the land does have a great deal of credibility.

SHIELDS: Justice Carlson.

CARLSON: Now, the Florida legislature, though, did provide for hand counts. So, there it is, right in the law.

NOVAK: Not in the presidential election.

(CROSSTALK)

ALLEN: I wasn't saying I minded the hand count.

Now, he wasn't against the recount but he did seem to indicate that he agreed with the time limitation. I say give'em a week to do the recount then cut his ass off.

Jay

[AllexxisF1]

65. ...

Is it me, or does irony have a tremendous sense of humor?

[IWantAChange]

66. Three weeks to air all the GOP dirty tricks and schemes? GRRRRRRRRRREAT!

Unless GeorgieBoy knows something the rest of the country doesn't he's toast - burnt toast at that. The DNC has to spend whatever they have to in order to make sure the recount is fair - the stakes are too high to skimp now.

[ChiciB1]

69. So There Will Be A Recount???? Not Watching MSM, So Need Info... n/t

[progressivebydesign]

72. The RNC mobil homes and the Brooks Bros rioters are on their way!!

If everyone thinks this will not be another filthy show by the RNC, then you're naive. They are assembling millions to work this recount to keep the Senate. It will not be a recount of normal standards.. there will be lawsuits, tricks, threats, press conferences, and all of the dirty tricks. WaaaaAllen is being instructed to do this, it's the RNC's last battleground of the election, and they are assembling in Virginia as we speak. EXPECT dirty tricks, law suits, challenges, and everything. WaaaaaAllen knows that the lead is really insurmountable.. UNLESS... the repubs work their magic. Let's see... lots of military ballots expected soon... so I'd say that will be their first battleground. We should expect a press conference any moment accusing the Dems of not honoring the troops by wanting to end this contest before their ballots arrive. Counting down... 10.. 9.. 8...

[Black Adder]

74. Forgetaboudit

He's TOAST

[LoZoccolo]

75. WEBB WON!!! YOU LOST!!!! n/t

[yodermon]

76. WAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA AAAA AAAALLen n/t

[jobycom]

79. He should. Elections are about the people, not the candidates.

And if this is what it takes for the Republicans to finally grasp that, let him call for a recount. Maybe the Republicans will have a better understanding of the word "democracy" if one of their own actually has to attempt it.

I trust the results in Virginia. I've got no problem with double-checking to make sure that the vote of the people is accurately recorded. Unlike Warner and the Republicans, I had that position in 2000 in Florida, as well. Maybe now they can grasp what we were talking about.

Just my thoughts. I'm too relieved to care about getting revenge. I just want to get on with eradicating the evils of BushCo from this nation.

You have to look backwards to taunt someone behind you, and I do not plan to look back.

[Canuckistanian]

80. I say bring it on

Webb has nothing to hide and Macaca still has to answer for the voter intimidation.

Besides, after the mail-in votes are counted, there'll be an even BIGGER lead, thus putting an end to all doubt.

[wholetruth00]

82. I hope they spend an pie-hole full of money on this challenge.

I am certain Webb will win in a recount. I have been right on target with every election except Lieberman, whom I predicted would be the surprise defeat of the evening.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

84. Get over it ex-Senator Macaca!!

Looks like the sound of moving vans will be heard loud & clear in DC. Every dem that is moving to DC should have their moving vans circle the White House a few time :)

[FreepFryer]

86. Link?

Is there a link to this article? Thanks!

And congrats, Democratic Party loyalists!!!

[Joe_VB]

89. as of 1:51pm Unofficial Results

Office: U.S. Senate
Precincts Reporting: 2440 of 2443 (99.88%)
Registered Voters: 4,555,633 Total Voting: 2,366,317 Voter Turnout: 51.94 %
Candidates Party Vote Totals Percentage
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,172,544 49.55%
G F Allen Republican 1,165,247 49.24%
G G Parker Independent Green 26,183 1.11%
Write Ins 2,343 0.10%
Total: 2,366,317

http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/

[dpbrown]

99. That's a 7,297 vote lead for Webb

It would be good if it went up over 10,000.

[rep the dems]

93. I doubt he'll do any better with a recount so I shouldn't care,

but at the same time, I want my fucking Senate majority and I want it now. :evilgrin:

[soothsayer]

94. no problemo! he's gotta' pay for it

[ContraBass Black]

95. It's procedure.

[demobabe]

96. Someone tell Waaaaallen he's "screwn" and to "get over it!"

:evilgrin:

[Junkdrawer]

97. VA: LOCK DOWN ALL THE BALLOTS, MEMORY CARDS...

POLL TAPES AND GEMS DBS.

Do it. Do it NOW....

[Craig3410]

98. Let 'em.

Voting is the most important thing in the country and every vote needs to be counted.

Besides, they usually only get a maximum of a few hundred votes; not gonna matter. :D

[mhatrw]

100. You lost. Get over it. n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

102. Counting all the votes in Virginia will do "irreparable harm" to

James Webb...

The Bush Propaganda Machine Strikes Again in Florida
Bob Fertik

Snip...

The Florida Supreme Court did two things: first, they ordered Harris to include the partial recounts in Miami-Dade and Palm Beach, which added 383 votes to Gore's total and reduced Bush's lead to 154. Then they ordered all of Florida's counties to start counting. And as the nation watched, election workers in all of Florida's counties began reviewing every uncounted vote.

This was the moment when the U.S. Supreme Court threw a thunderbolt from the sky. Violating every principle of Anglo-American law, a narrow partisan Republican majority declared that a fair and accurate recount would cause "irreparable harm" to George W. Bush. They overruled the Florida Supreme Court and ordered a halt to Florida's recount. As the nation watched in shock, election workers throughout Florida stopped counting and went home.

This injunction by the U.S. Supreme Court has been universally denounced. A group of law professors from across the country - now numbering 637 - ran an ad in the New York Times declaring: "By stopping the vote count in Florida, the U.S. Supreme Court used its power to act as political partisans, not as judges of a court of law."

Two days later, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its final ruling in Bush v. Gore. Once again, a narrow Republican majority ruled in favor of Bush. Many judicial scholars believe this was the Supreme Court's most lawless and outrageous ruling since Plessy v. Ferguson. MORE...

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=1604

[Marnieworld]

103. But they decided that ruling could not be used as precedent

Of course that decision flies in the face of all SCOTUS rulings ever, and the point of them in fact. But hey what goes around... Payback's a bitch!
:rofl: