We CANNOT push for impeachment right now

[noahmijo]

We have to start small start working on reversing the dangerous policies of this administration. Focusing on just impeaching will validate the neo-con statement that it's all about bush and that we aren't looking to accomplish anything but the gain of power.

We must take the sniper approach..on the front lines work to repair our nation and work on fixing the Iraq situation..behind the scenes start the investigation, shake down neo-con bosses, build a case longer than The Nile...then when the nation appears to have made positive turns and we appear to be on the right track for the forseeable future...POUNCE

[Maven]

1. MULTITASKING, my friend. Multitasking. nt

[TechBear_Seattle]

2. And the first step toward reversing the dangerous policies of this misAdministration is...

To remove it from office.

[In Truth We Trust]

3. Should we be country that applies the rule of law? Guess not according to your desires.

Impeach the fuckers!

[noahmijo]

8. Wrong. My desires are to do it smartly not carelessly

You wanna go in guns blazing? this isn't a western, we do this smart and right and believe me a bullet through the heart will do far more damage than a volley of missles that miss the target.

[In Truth We Trust]

34. Should we be country that applies the rule of law? Please answer.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. They won't do that immediately,. However,

the investigations they do WILL expose the corruption and they will have no other choice but to Impeach. If the cabal broke the law, it is the OBLIGATION of the House to Impeach them. They took an OATH to uphold and protect our Constitution and the Laws of this land..... I'm just sayin'.

[noahmijo]

11. That's the "build a case longer than the Nile part of my post"

You just outlined it for me.

[DinahMoeHum]

5. Hate to bust your bubble, but we don't have the 2/3 majority

in the Senate to convict.

Sorry, but 51 is NOT 67.

However, we can make plans to arrest the lot AFTER they leave office and send their sorry asses to the Hague.

[Phillycat]

7. The House impeaches, not the Senate. nt

[DinahMoeHum]

24. Yes, the House can pass the Articles of Impeachment. . .

but then it goes to the Senate and THEY vote to convict or acquit.

You need a 2/3 majority in the Senate for that to happen.

Sorry, but 51 is NOT 67.

:evilfrown:

[Wilber_Stool]

31. Your right,but,

They can either join us to impeach or they can be investigated and put in jail. No middle ground.

[Ilsa]

6. Start with investigations about the war. But Congress HAS to deal

with issues affecting regular folks: stuff like healthcare, wages, retirement, etc. These are major issues, and the Dems can win over alot of long term support if they are perceived as problem solvers, not wedge-issues installers.

[noahmijo]

9. That's in line with I'm saying. Agreed

[cleveramerican]

10. Don't waste a minute looking back!

move forward with our agenda. Sensible solutions to seemingly intractable problems will benefit our party( and our country) far more than any indictment ever will.

[Mr_Spock]

12. Love that lame duck - let's whittle away at him - slowly but surely

He is an asset - Cheney too - let's keep them - they helped us win big this time!!

[JuniperLea]

13. We must show the Neo-Cons and indeed THE WORLD

That we are all about TRUTH and JUSTICE! WE MUST IMPEACH! We must hold this scoundrel and his minions up to the light and show what they are made of and insist that they and all like them be held accountable!

This namby-pamby bullshit must stop! We cannot show ourselves as weaklings now. We cannot turn a blind eye to the corruption! We cannot turn a blind eye to all the damage that these freaks of nature have done to our country! If we back off now, we are telling the world that we don't care about truth!

Bullshit! Press on! Go forward! DO NOT GO BACKWARD! And most of all, do NOT award evil, criminal and immoral behavior with a free pass!!! Do not empower them to do more!

I cannot believe we are having this conversation.

[noahmijo]

19. A bullet through the heart does more damage than a volley of missles that miss the target

That is what I am saying.

I support impeachment do not question that. It's just I'd rather do it wisely and in a vicious fashion as opposed to a sloppy method that could backfire.

[JuniperLea]

32. You are inviting trouble where there's no evidence that trouble exists

We have a mandate. The people want change. We have strong Democratic leadership now. No one is saying to rush into anything! The push for impeachment has been going on for quite some time. You can't put a date on things like this; there is a natural progression. That natural progression should not be hindered by the changing tune of those who continue to fear.

[longship]

14. You're correct. We have to wait until January.

Then, we need to have investigations and Congress critters should let those investigations go wherever the information leads. If it's impeachment, so be it.

That's the way it *has* to work.

[xiamiam]

15. like saying we must not prosecute the child molester so that he can continue to work

and provide food for his family....sorry...a crime is a crime...war profiteering is a crime...and cronyism..and lying America into a war...

[noahmijo]

20. You're not understanding

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2635367&mesg_id=2635722

[xiamiam]

23. it is responsible to hold criminals accountable...i really dont care how it is done

conyers has completed preliminary investigations and compiled and published...hot off the press...the judiciary committee can act...the house can impeach...or the evidence can be presented to the world court if it so warrants...i shall leave the procedure to the experts here and everywhere...and i dont think for a minute that the proper way to prosecute and expose has not been carefully constructed...

they have committed crimes in my opinion...broken treaties...arrogantly ignored the American people and the world as we have pleaded for our dignity and humanity to be restored...we must be able to raise our heads and be proud of our actions...i accept responsility for what we have become as well as changing it...

[TygrBright]

16. There's too much else to do. For a start:

1. Restore habeas corpus
2. Election reform and redistricting reform
3. Overturn the "Patriot" Act and set some REAL national security priorities, including port security and security for chemical plants and critical infrastructure installations like water and power and communications. And FUND THEM with cash pulled out of the pork-bloated no-bid contracts and sweetheart deals for war profiteers.
4. Investigate those same war profiteers and the elected scoundrels who enabled them.
5. Repeal tax giveaways to the wealthiest 1/10th of one percent of Americans, and investigate the IRS's auditing and enforcement of corporate income tax collection. Eliminate or reform the Alternative Minimum Tax.
6. Set some meaningful rules that REQUIRE two-party participation in the legislative process and put teeth into enforcing ethics violations.
7. Challenge "signing statements" and demand a Supreme Court ruling thereon. If the Supremes wimp out, pass a Constitutional Amendment outlawing "signing statements."
8. Break up communications/media monopolies with new rules limiting ownership per market, and investigate the FCC's enforcement of all existing rules. Strongly recommend the FCC re-institute the Fairness Doctrine or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
9. Investigate the Dept. of the Interior's shameless giveaways of publicly-owned resources to rapacious corporate polluters.
10. Pass a meaningful minimum wage.

Those will do for a start. Other stuff can be added as we head into the 2008 cycle, depending on how these sort out.

If a scoundrel uses a system to perpetrate mayhem and destruction, what is the most urgent priority once that scoundrel has been ineffectualized and has a finite (and short) time horizon for being able to use that system?

I say, fix the system so the NEXT scoundrel can't pick it up and wield it as a weapon against the Constitution and the American people.

Let Whistle-Ass sit and stew in his own bile and craft weaselly "signing statements" for another 26 months. We got better things to do.

militantly,
Bright

[catmandu57]

21. What you said Tygr

I like the agenda you've laid out, if we follow it the republican party will be history.

[TygrBright]

22. I hope not! That's the problem NOW. The Republican Party IS history...

...and we need for the real conservatives, the thoughtful, ethical, principled conservatives to take it back and resurrect it and bring it to the table ready to be a constructive opposition that will help refine and hone legislation to make lasting impact for ALL Americans.

One-party rule by Democrats would quickly be just as problematic as one-party rule by GOPpies. WE'D like it better, sure, but we must keep in mind the reality that there is a large segment of our fellow-Americans who are more conservative than we are, and if we kick them out the door and leave them to make mischief (given the current resources and leadership of their evil cabal,) they will not only keep us from fixing what's broke, they will find ways to break more.

The agenda I outlined is not focused on making the GOP history, it's focused on reviving BOTH Parties to function as viable, effective voices of the people in governing our Republic and keeping us and our rights safe and vigorous.

But yes, it will make the sleazebags and cronyists and grifters and criminals history. And that needs to happen way more than spanking Whistle-Ass who is now very limited in the further damage he can inflict.

seriously,
Bright

[catmandu57]

33. I'm in total agreement

One party rule sucks, we need to balance ourselves.

[Warpy]

17. Impeachment will only happen if any of these conditions are met:

First, Stupid decides to pick a unilateral fight with Iran.

Second, Stupid vetoes everything that crosses his desk that came from Democrats.

Or third (and more farfetched), Stupid tries to declare martial law and dissolve Congress so he can be a dictator.

They will have no choice in any of these scenarios. I would really hate to see them bogged down in an impeachment. I would greatly prefer to see real investigations to get to the real rats and throw them all in jail.

[xiamiam]

27. stupid is totally capable of doing any or all of the above...

i hold my breath every morning when i turn on the computer waiting to see what hairbrained scheme has been concocted while i sleep...i halfway expect to see,,* SELLS NATIONAL PARKS TO CHINESE..* GIVES ALL OIL RIGHTS IN IRAQ TO THE SAUDIS..or something so off the wall that no matter how hard you try you cannot wrap your mind around it or the logic behind it...

[Vorta]

18. There is so much to do.

We have two years to perform a miracle in udoing what those bastards have done, and then it's 2008 when the sheep blame whoever holds Congress. There is no time for revenge, sit patiently by the river and your enemy will float by.

[onenote]

25. You are right, of course. But don your flame proof suit.

The non-reality DUers don't like hearing this sort of thing.

[xiamiam]

28. why can't we do all of it....why cant we right the wrongs...AND

impeach for crimes?

how can it be non reality -that would be me, among others, you are referring to..for Gods sake, Clinton was impeached for a bj

[noahmijo]

29. I advocate doing it all...when done in proper order we will ALL get our wish

As I said I want a bullet through the heart not a volley of missles that miss the target.


How the hell is that being "soft"??? (not YOUR words but the implications of those who are opposing me on this)

[xiamiam]

30. im ok with precise planning...nt

[redqueen]

26. Correct our course in Iraq... start investigations... and let the results

of those investigations lead where they naturally will.