Fuck all this talk of "healing" and "working with the President"

[Maven]

that's the MSM meme now.

People voted for CHANGE, and that's what they should GET. And they will, within 100 hours after the new Congress convenes.

[seabeyond]

1. lol lol was wonderin who was saying that. lol. msm doesnt

count for shit. fuck them too

[Justitia]

2. Yeah, they are STILL trying to set the agenda and BULLY us. Screw them. -eom

[ixion]

3. second that. this is the time for kicking ass and restoring our republic

and that goes for RW media enablers. :grr:

[LaurenG]

4. Think of working with the president as

you would when working with an unruly child. The adults will re-direct the child and set limits and boundaries. Plus they'll probably take away his privileges as they un-do all the damage this "child" has done.

[trekbiker]

61. think of working with the preznit as

you would work with an unruly child who just burnt down half the town playing with matches, tortured your dog for kicks and then lied his ass off showing no remorse whatsoever.. Time to send that kid to juvenile hall with a very red painfully throbbing ASS..

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. They have been SO vicious with the left. They are expecting meek

Ds to roll over. I think they are in for a surprise!

[porphyrian]

6. They can paint it any way they want...

We're still about to have half of them investigated and eventually impeached.

[BlueEyedSon]

7. The last 6 years should be our example of BIPARTISANSHIP

:evilgrin:

[Solly Mack]

8. Ever notice how it's the guilty that call for healing?

Because a call for "healing" is nothing more than a call to let the guilty to go free.

[Maven]

11. Exactly.

This is called "damage control" by MSM corporate leaders.

If Pukes had won by this margin they'd be talking about legislation to outlaw the Democratic (oh, excuse me, "Democrat") Party.

[Mabus]

38. I prefer to think of it as intervention

They need to be confronted with what they have done and admit to it. That's how real healing happens. Just ask Haggard, Foley, Sherwood, etc.

[Solly Mack]

40. They need to go to prison.

Without justice there is no healing.

I don't compare their (Haggard, Foley,Sherwood) personal actions with America's war crimes.

And the war criminals must go to prison - or there will be no healing.

[Mabus]

47. Prison is the step after the intervention

If they can admit what they have done to themselves they can admit them in a court of law.

Their public actions contributed to the crimes that we are perpetuating on the rest of the world. Their personal lives just revealed their hypocrisy. You can try and lock someone up for war crimes (like Saddam) but unless that person comprehends what their actions have done there is no healing. These guys are happy to lead others down a primrose path and lie to their faces to get what they want. As far as I am concerned, the people I listed are just as harmful to America as Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. are. They lived off the largess of the latter's crimes and used it for their own purposes & to promote the crimes the Bush administration is committing.

[Solly Mack]

49. I agree those 3 are harmful

and just as bad for America - and trust me, I'd send Bush enablers to prison in a heart beat. I'm all for Bush enablers spending the rest of their lives in prison. Every single one of them.

And the Bush regime admitting their crimes would do a world of good for America and healing - for the people who refuse to believe how criminal he is if nothing else.


But the talk of healing coming from certain quarters is a call to allow the guilty to go free...because their healing doesn't involve justice.

[Mabus]

50. I agree

We need justice. They need to be held accountable.

[subterranean]

9. So, when do the impeachment hearings begin?

;-)

[stubtoe]

10. I say let's pull a Gingrich and declare the President "irrelevant".

[tavalon]

25. Well now,

that would be stating the obvious.

[Gloria]

12. EXACTLY and Joe Liebershit should be chained in a cell everytime

he makes noises about swinging a Senate vote to the Republicans...and that holds true for all the f*cking DLC Democrats

Message to Biden....I don't want to see another Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Fart.....

[xiamiam]

13. i expect the mandated government to hold the current regime accountable...

for every crime, every treasonous act, every instance of cronyism and war profiteering, every lie, every unnecessary death, every violation of the constitution...thats what i expect...

[still_one]

14. Actually people voted for us to get out of Iraq

and they did vote for both parties to do the job of the people, NOT TO EXCLUDE, like the republicans did for the last six years

[xiamiam]

15. thats what the mmm told us last night...we voted for a lot more than that..nt

[still_one]

18. You and I might have voted for more than that

but that is not necessarily representative of the whole country

What is mmm, is that MSM, because they are irrelevent

I just heard Murtha on Bloomberg, and he point blank said they would hold hearings on the Iraq war, and hold accountable those responsible for the recklessness

He also said they would push his resolution

This election is also about abuse of power, and checks and balances, so it is more than just Iraq

[Imagevision]

16. Pelosi needs to sit down with Bush and have a heart to heart... (alone-no camera's)

explain the the boy dweeb of where he stands and her positions as well...
that's all

[WinkyDink]

17. This was a REVOLUTION! Voters want DRAMATIC CHANGE.

Compromise can go Cheney itself, as well as all who call for it.

How exactly WOULD one compromise with a psychopathic fascist who "signs statements" declaring he can FLOUT LAWS??
Who TORTURES?
Who LETS CITIZENS DROWN?
Who COMMITS WAR CRIMES via an ILLEGAL INVASION?
Who lies like he BREATHES (e.g., Saddam never let the inspectors in)?
Who said if Democrats win, "America loses and the terrorists win"?

Who SAT FOR 7 MINUTES when told "We are UNDER ATTACk"?

GO TO HELL, anybody who wants to (CONTINUE to) give BUSHCO ANYTHING.
Make them all BEG for their GRUEL.

TERRORIZE BUSH.

[Megahurtz]

19. "Healing"......

:nopity: Oh fucking please!:eyes: Let's all hug our Teddy Bears! :sarcasm:

No! It's time to take action! There's a huge mess to clean up!:kick:

[tabasco]

20. I want the Dems to work to get Bush & other criminals in jail.

There have been many crimes committed by the corporate cabal and the robber barons must be held accountable !

We can never allow an insane flock of chicken hawk whackjobs to get control of this Nation.

[Warpy]

21. Apparently the MSM is ignorant of Norquist

whispering in Stupid's ear that there will be NO bipartisanship. Hell, that miserable worm announced it!

We the people want a change. The ruling class has said they will prevent it.

[Fovea]

22. I am all for heeling the president

and smacking his nose with a rolled up newspaper for each time he's peed on the
constitution.

[tavalon]

27. Exactly!!

We're gonna teach that boy some manners!

[Viking12]

29. These boots are made for walkin'....

[Solly Mack]

30. lol! I got a mental image of that

Thank you!!!

[buddysmellgood]

23. The healing happened last night. We'll issue subpoenas to work with *

[BrotherBuzz]

24. Damn straight!

[shance]

26. Healing only comes from justice and accountability.

There is cause and effect.

Truth and consequences.

We can only hope that those who have inflicted so much pain on innocent individuals will have justice served to them on a silver platter.

However, that will only come from citizens continuing to take our country back.

The only way.

Nancy Pelosi won't do it because even though she is a woman and a Democrat, she is still establishment and comes from great wealth and privilege. She has shown her loyalty through her actions although I hope with this victory we will see some incremental changes.

[Viking12]

28. "there's no compromise," said Grover Norquist a close advisor to the White House.

You've heard ot from the horse's mouth (or is that the horse's ass?). Any pretensions of working together are bullshit!

However, they'll do their best to blame any partisanship on those mean, nasty, hateful libruls.:mad:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[notadmblnd]

31. It figures..

now the re:puke: want to play nice. I say no pity:nopity:

[oc2002]

32. we did not vote the Dems in to just be apologists or lambs, but fearless fighters!

The WH will test the congress, and the House leadership must stand or it will crumble completely.

[Phredicles]

33. I want "payback" and "settling of scores"

And I like to think that's what our mandate is for.:evilgrin:

[robinlynne]

34. I'm with you. Talk about healing with the families of 600,000 dead people...

oh, and the dead from new orleans. oh and the dead animals from alaskan oil spill. oh yes, and the homeless, and the students cut off from their studies for lack of funding. and the people who lost their jobs. think i'll stop here, but i'm not done.

[Dukkha]

35. the Repugs might as well pack it up and go home

NOTHING on their agenda will get passed. We will NOT work with you! You had 6 years to completely fuck everything up and your time is done. America hates you so sit down and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Honor and integrity has been restored to congress.

[Hubert Flottz]

36. I agree!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~< Hi I'm George Bush You Can Trust Me...

On the way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman
Found a poor half-frozen snake

His pretty colored skin
Had been all frosted with the dew
"Poor thing" she cried, "I'll take you in
Aand I'll take care of you."

Take me in tender woman
Take me in for heaven's sake
Take me in tender woman
Sighed the Snake

She wrapped him up all cozy
In a comforter of silk
And laid him by the fireside
With some honey and some milk

She hurried home from work that night
And as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taken in had been revived.

Take me in tender woman
Take me in for heaven's sake
Take me in tender woman
Sighed the Snake

She clutched him to her bosom
"You're so beautiful" she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died."

Well she stroked his pretty skin again
And kissed him really tight,
Instead of saying thanks,
the snake gave her a vicious bite.

Take me in tender woman
Take me in for heaven's sake
Take me in tender woman
Sighed the Snake

"I saved you!" cried the woman
"And you've bitten me but why?"
"You know your bite is poisonous
And now I'm gonna die."

"Ha shut up, silly woman."
Said that reptile with a grin.
"You knew darn well I was a snake before you took me in."

Take me in tender woman
Take me in for heaven's sake
Take me in tender woman
Sighed the Snake

Take me in tender woman
Sighed the Snake
Take me in tender woman
Sighed the Snake.

[WinkyDink]

37. MY compromise: Mme. DeFarge has to sit in the balcony.

Knit one, purl two, baby.

[oc2002]

39. yeah, its all bullshit for the camera's.

Wait till the real fighting starts.

[smoogatz]

41. Damn straight, Heddy.

Tell it!

[Dora]

42. That's exactly what we're going to do, though!

We're going to HEAL THE WOUNDS INFLICTED ON THIS COUNTRY.

We're going to WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT ON GETTING HIS CRIMINAL ASS IMPEACHED, CONVICTED, EJECTED, AND JAILED.

[redqueen]

43. He said voting for Dems was helping terrorists... so FUCK HIM!

Seriously.

FUCK HIM.

[blm]

44. People said CORRUPTION was the most important issue - that means INVESTIGATE

and EXPOSE the Bush cabal.

Hey Democrats, Truth Matters

Robert Parry: HEY DEMOCRATS, TRUTH MATTERS!
Hey, Democrats, the Truth Matters!
By Robert Parry
May 11, 2006

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA
After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results
Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

[Window]

45. They have some nerve.

Partison bastards.

[understandinglife]

46. "People voted for CHANGE, and that's what they ...." WILL GET.

Because, WE THE PEOPLE ... aren't in this for the short run ....


BE AMERICA. ---

[FiveGoodMen]

48. Amen!

Healing the country means working against the squatter.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

51. now Harvey, it's time to heal. as we reach out, we must ask DC dems to reach...

Yes, reach out, my brothers and sisters...









and as we reach out, encourage Democrats in both Houses to reach...

RIGHT ACROSS THE ISLE AND SLAP THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THOSE LYING TRAITORS. THEN, HAVE THEM ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY, BEFORE STARTING THE INVESTIGATIONS!

[Maven]

52. .

:rofl:

[donco6]

60. Ha! Yes. eom

[pa28]

53. They voted to STOP him not work with him.

Let the hearings begin.

[Odin2005]

54. THIS is a mandate, Chinpy.

*'s ass is grass

[bling bling]

55. The Dems get labeled "road blocking obstructionists" no matter what.

Futhermmore, after all the bi-partisan support this administration got from the Dems, the Republicans and this administration in particular still labeled the Dems as anti-America and pro-terror.

I hope the Dems take a page out of Cheney's book and tell the administration to go fuck themselves. I've had enough of cringing and wincing while watching the Dems try to please their political counterparts. Let the Dem's focus on pleasing the people from now on and hopefully the irrational GOP will wake up and follow suit.

[Odin2005]

65. If Bush starts vetoing stuff it will be OUR turn to call THEM obstructionists.

Time for the pukes to get a taste of thier own medicine.

[Bridget Burke]

56. Bush needs to learn how to "heel"....

And we'll do that by working with him--just as the Dog Whisperer recommends. (A choke chain might help.)

After all, Bush just had that "procedure" that makes male dogs more manageable. (Someone else said "had his ***** cut off"--but I don't wish to be vulgar.)

Remember, now "Calm & Assertive!"

[cassiepriam]

57. The public wants change. Not more of the same BS.

[fooj]

58. AFter these treasonous, rat bastards have done what they have to this country...

they want to be friends. Isn't that special?

[trekbiker]

59. I want commitees, I want subpeonas, I want investigations...

I WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. And an end to the BS spin revisionist history. The culprits must pay for the damage they did. NO FORGIVENESS. Tens of thousands of lives lost, hundreds of thousands of wounded, hundreds of billions of $$ flushed down the toilet. FUCK THEM AND MAKE THEM PAY

[trekbiker]

62. Reconstitute the 9/11 commission and this time find out

what the hell really went down. And no Cheney holding the chimps hand with a "no under oath" agreement. Put the chimp on display UNDER OATH and make him answer the difficult questions!! I couldnt care less about impeachment. I want answers and an accounting of the crimes. in Public!

[NoBorders]

63. Repubs sure didn't feel that way on 11/6

Let 'em beg for scraps like they wanted Dems to

[MiniMe]

64. Revenge is an ugly thing. However, investigations are a must

Just because they are willing to have civil discourse and compromise on things doesn't mean that the Dems are going to let the Reps rule them. Being a good leader means listening to ALL points of view, that is what the Reps should have been doing for the last 6 years. Investigate, bring charges where appropriate. Reform what needs to be reformed. They aren't going to be able to fix this mess without cooperation from the repukes.

[RobinA]

66. Here's the Meme I Keep Hearing

"Now it's time for the Democrats to prove they can lead responsibly." Uh???? It sounds like the Dems haven't been in power for decades, and botched it way back when they were. Didn't we just have a responsible two term Dem president? Who's more responsible, Clinton, or Bush?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

67. What is the alternative to working with the president?

I don't think "playing nice" has any value in itself, but I do think that if we want Bush to refrain from vetoing everything the Democrats try and pass then we need to offer some horses to trade.

Impeachment is not an option - it needs a 2/3rds majority and we are never going to get that (well, not before 2008, at which point the matter becomes academic)- so threats are not a viable substitute for "working with the president".

That said, there's no reason whatsoever to do so more than we need to to get what *we* want. But that may well be non-trivially far (I don't see how it can not be, given that he has the veto).

[earth mom]

68. Same goes for all those DLCers and DINOs who don't want to impeach.

If Impeachment is what THE PEOPLE want then that's what should happen.

[eppur_se_muova]

69. Healing = Immune system REJECTS infection !!

Let's get that clot of pus OUT of the Oval Office!