Iran-Contra Robert Gates? That Robert Gates?

[Solly Mack]

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_16.htm

Just asking

[MuseRider]

1. The same.

They all come crawling from the lair at one time or another.

[Solly Mack]

3. Figures doesn't it?

This is what happens when the guilty is allowed to walk free - they come back.

[MuseRider]

16. Exactly and that

is a point we need to make every single day. We knew then that they would be back, some of them more than once. They need to pay with their loss of freedom so the lesson is learned.

[Solly Mack]

20. Exactly!!!! They must go to prison. Or they and others like them

will continue to harm America.

[MuseRider]

27. Apparently

we have to learn the lesson first. I have never understood why they did not go after these guys, they had to know what the deal was. We did and we were angry but they walked. :shrug: Every day we need to say it.

[Solly Mack]

30. They framed it as "being bad for the country" to go after

a sitting President for criminal activity.

Silly me - I thought jailing a criminal President would be a good thing for America.

Sorta sends a message to other wanna-be criminal Presidents, you know?

I still haven't figured out how sending a criminal to prison hurts America.

[AntiFascist]

68. I think it also has to do with the "mafia-like" support of the secret government...

could have actually been viewed as a security risk if it went away. Too bad, but our government needs a major retro-fit.

[Solly Mack]

88. They do have the "it's not personal, it's business" attitude

as in - Rumsfeld's resignation wasn't personal, his resignation was business.

[leesa]

115. And yet, what are we hearing every day on this board? "Let's move on.

No investigation of Bush. No impeachment. Waste of time." It's happening all over again.

[Solly Mack]

117. I know and I've been speaking out against that thinking even

before it began - because I knew it was coming.

Bipartisanship doesn't mean allowing criminals, more especially war criminals, to walk free.

How anyone in America can entertain the notion that letting war criminals walk free "heals" America is beyond me.

[The Backlash Cometh]

77. You don't expect to get someone clean until after the 2008 election,

do you?

[Solly Mack]

80. That certainly wasn't my implication, no

[bobbolink]

78. Unfortunately, that is "are"--- there are so many of 'em!

Wouldn't it be nice if we weren't having to fight the old, stale, crap?

:mad:

Comeback, indeed! We *must* now use our energy to educate "new" Dem voters about this background. Most won't know. If we just keep it among ourselves, it'll just keep happening.

"It's always something." Gilda Radner

[Solly Mack]

79. I know! I am so tired of fighting the same old thugs

over and over and over...

[bobbolink]

82. Can't we send the younguns now?

It's time for old codgers like me to be able to rest. :)

Hey, a librarian just saw me, and grinned and gave me the thumbsup!! Isn't it cool to be able to smile a bit now?

:hi: :pals:

[Solly Mack]

86. We have a chance for change now - real change

and yes, those younguns are gonna hafta take over soon and clean house.

So, I'm smiling more

Though Poppy Bush is in for the cover up...to cover Shrub's ass more than anything.

[bobbolink]

89. I"ve been trying to think of ways to get the media to cover that fact...

That, once again, poopy... I mean, poppy, is sent to clean up baby *'s mess.

REally, this is something that people need to discuss over the water cooler!

Although, understanding the Iran/Contra crap is more important..

sigh... so much garbage, so little time...

:hi:

[SoCalDem]

95. Iran Contra has long tentacles.. and if you go easy , you never know what's coming later

It's like the oldtime serials.. the bad guy lives to challenge another day..

We are still paying for "playing nice"

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-20-05 06:08 AM

Original message


Now we know the true consequences of "going easy" on Iran Contra

Had the Dems (who DID control both houses of congress) pressed harder, and not contented themselves with the idea that GHWB (the wimp) would be easygoing, and inconsequential...well things would be very different now.,

Had Reagan/Bush gotten their just desserts for Iran Contra, and all the dirt been exposed, they would have left office, fully disgraced..GHWB probably would not have even gotten elected..Carter would be held in higher esteem...and There's no way in HELL that *² would have gotten appointed to the white house

The appointments to the SCOTUS that were made by GHWB would have been made by a democrat..Kennedy..Souter..Thomas would not be on the bench, and we would not be facing a right wing court for the foreseeable future.

The democratic party has always hated "piling on", and has been ready to "forgive and forget".

Look at all the key players in this administration.. Almost all of them have their roots in the Iran Contra Days, Grenada, Panama, and many other republican schemes.

We do ourselves and the country a great disservice when we let the "bad guys" off with a slap on the wrist.

republicans have no shame.. they wear their crimes like badges of honor..and like the energizer bunnies, they just keep on coming back..

This is why we cannot let Rove off the hook, and strong language and actions are necessary..

The only thing that republicans DO understand is PUBLIC HUMILIATION, and jail terms.


If you DO wrong, you need to be punished..not just turned out of office to go lick your wounds until next time :grr:

[Solly Mack]

96. Bravo!!!! You're so right!!!!

[KoKo]

98. You speak the honest truth here. And, if one goes back to Nixon it's so

easy to see that if Dems had pressed harder...the course of History would be far different than it has been. Many of us would not have lived in hell since Selection 2000 and in fact "Selection 2000" wouldn't have been possible.

Any Dem who says: "We don't want to go back to the past mistakes that were made...because we want to focus on the future and how to get out of the mess of past mistakes" is IMMEDIATELY SUSPECT in my book. I lived through all the "cover ups" and "make nice" and "Move On" philospophy from my Democratic Party! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Time to hold FEET TO FIRE.

I'm not in favor of "Impeachment" for that second Loser Bush...I want him held accountable during his last two years and AFTER he LEAVES for WAR CRIMES/TORTURE and SHREDDING OF OUR CONSTITUTION! There can be NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CRIME FAMILY and those in BOTH Poppy and Bush II's Administrations. But, if I had to pick....I'd go with Bush II and the CULMINATION OF ALL OF IT. The BUCK STOPS THERE. TRY THEM...and let it GO WHERE IT SHOULD...

Sorry for "Full Cap Shouting"....frustration!

[lyonn]

109. John Dean has them pegged, Authoritarians

They wouldn't consider retiring or "spending time with the family". They are having too much fun screwing people and arrograntly strutting their "smarts" and getting the sheeple to follow.

Edit: Let the investigations begin so we can keep them busy and out of trouble. Those arrogant bastards hate it when you put them under oath, and they gotta hire all those attorneys, and spend all their time trying to find all those scraps of paper that could indict them. Sounds like fun huh?

[Cooley Hurd]

2. That's him!

Can they get his confirmation in before Jan 1st?:shrug:

[Solly Mack]

4. Have to check. Hopefully someone already has the answer

:(

[bigtree]

5. yes

boots back on

[Solly Mack]

11. Yep.

[leftchick]

6. yes

just like old times. :banghead:

doesn't he have to be confirmed?

[crikkett]

8. recess appointment?

[Solly Mack]

10. I'm wondering about that too

[Solly Mack]

9. Yes, he has to be confirmed by the senate

[Poiuyt]

23. After Rumsfeld, the Senate would confirm anybody

[Solly Mack]

32. Oh, I expect him to be confirmed. I hope otherwise

[fasttense]

7. Another scum sucking idiot to run our military into the ground.

"Gates was close to many figures who played significant roles in the Iran/contra affair and was in a position to have known of their activities. The evidence developed by Independent Counsel did not warrant indictment of Gates for his Iran/contra activities or his responses to official inquiries."

An un-indicted co-conspirator?

[Solly Mack]

13. Gates is good at the cover up

and Bush needs that

[blm]

15. Exactly - when will more Dems understand that EVERYTHING going on is rooted

in IranContra and BCCI and that is why it is so imperative to keep the connection out front?

[Solly Mack]

17. Poppy is moving in to rescue Bush and unless the entire story is told

Bush walks free - and these same thugs will be around to damage the country more.

It must stop now!

[AntiFascist]

67. EXACTLY! That is why impeachment, investigation, whatever is crucial n/t

[Solly Mack]

76. Agreed

Whatever it takes to expose them and imprison them.

A better America demands it.

[bobbolink]

81. When? When we work hard at letting them know.

By "we", I don't mean that you and I have a lot of power in the media. But, we need to put our heads together to formulate ways to get this info out. Let's plan!

One thing I'm doing is that I found the info about the movie "The Trials Of Henry Kissinger" in our library, and have been suggesting it to all those who are new to this. Also, "The Plot To Overthrow FDR" (which I got my library to order a couple of years ago) because that is important history to know about in terms of understanding the roots of all this. The point is NOT for *us* to watch these (except to sharpen our historical knowledge) but to get others to understand.

Yes, the election was great--now the work of education begins.

Thanks for bringing this up!

[itsmesgd]

12. yes Bush 1, James Baker, I-C, old skool bushite

[Solly Mack]

14. Poppy is coming in to save Shrub

at least try

[leftofthedial]

18. *that* Robert Gates

part of the old-school of bushgang criminals

[Solly Mack]

22. Aren't we just so lucky?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Gates cooked Casey's false testimony

From the URL cited by the original poster:

Gates and Casey's November 1986 Testimony: The events leading up to the preparation of false testimony by Director Casey in November 1986 -- preparations that Gates nominally oversaw -- are set forth in a separate chapter of this Report. There was insufficient evidence that Gates committed a crime as he participated in the preparation of Casey's testimony, or that he was aware of critical facts indicating that some of the statements by Casey and others were false.

[Solly Mack]

21. That's what Gates does - he's a "fixer" and a "cleaner"

[Binka]

25. Sorta Like The Tidy Bowl Man

Get ready to be flushed you stinking turd!

[Solly Mack]

28. I hope so, Binka!

[catmandu57]

24. He's a stopgap

Darth had to go that was a given, they'll try to plug the holes with whatever or whoever they've got.

[Lars39]

26. K&R !!!

Where's that media contact list again?! :kick:

[H2O Man]

29. "From the Shadows"

Interestring, the title to his autobiography.

[Solly Mack]

31. Damn apt title, init?

[librechik]

33. "Conclusion:not enough evidence to charge Gates for crimes committed"

during Iran Contra.

You gotta problem, wi dat?

[democrank]

34. Just asked that question on another thread.

THAT Gates?

[Solly Mack]

36. It's amazing. Bad pennies and all that

[Straight Shooter]

35. If it's good for bush, it's bad for the country. n/t

[Solly Mack]

38. That's the bottomline. Well said!!

[bobbie]

37. Ohhhh, we gotta point out the good ol' boys network of crime

That goes back decades...

This is good in some ways... Ah the arrogance of uncontrolled power.

[Solly Mack]

40. It needs to stay front and center. How what is happening now

reaches back in time - that web of corruption is still in power.

[hedgehog]

39. So either he was up to his neck in shipping arms to Iran or else

he was so incompetent he had no idea what was going on around him.

[Solly Mack]

42. Exactly. He's an idiot or a liar

My vote is on liar.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Yep dad will try to bail out dimson

[Solly Mack]

44. I think that is what is happening

Poppy to the rescue. So much for all that "bad blood" between them, huh?

I never bought it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Blood thicker than

and his brother jebby will be running in 2012... 2008 is way, WAAAAYYYY too early

[Solly Mack]

75. Poor Jebby...keeps getting put off and put off

But as there is a chance to stop the Bush family (to include their cronies) cold, if Jeb does ever run, it's because America didn't do the right thing and finally jail the thugs.

[Tom Joad]

43. The one that will be supported by most Dems for Sec of Def, yes...

Some of us are just cynics... or just know what to expect. Dem Senators (not just Joe) will be jumping all over themselves to support Gates. Bringing a "new direction" to Iraq.

As if bush's only problem was bad military advice.

[Solly Mack]

47. Thank you! because Rumsfeld resigning does just that

promotes the idea (lie) that how the invasion was led caused the problems.(bad military advice)

That it's just a matter of execution and "strategy"

America should have never invaded Iraq.

Thank you!!!

Gates is in for the CYA march to 2009. To aid in perpetuating the lies.

[soothsayer]

45. jeezus, this place is still crawling with all those old iran contra creeps

[Solly Mack]

48. If they had gone to prison then, they wouldn't be around now

and that's why the Bush Regime needs to go to prison for their crimes.

Can't hope they'll die of old age...must make sure they can't hurt America again.

[bobbolink]

84. From your keyboard to the monitor of the goddess!

I feel myself clenching my teeth when I think about it--if we can't get Pelosi and those to really go after this Organized Crime Machine, you are completely correct--they'll just keep coming back, stronger and stronger, and we won't ever be able to undo the damage.

Can we talk about how we can get this out? This needs to become a big topic of conversation! HOw?

[gordianot]

46. After today there is a good chance someone might ask him some questions.

I have one question could he be voted on in a Lame Duck session.

[Solly Mack]

51. Senate comes back on the 9th for procedural stuff

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=senate_calendar&docid=sc001

They could elect to vote on confirmation, I suppose. But I doubt it.

Or Bush could grant a recess appointment during the holidays.

We'll see

the 110th Congress, 1st session, begins in January. We are on the 109th Congress, 2nd session.

[Scoot420fla]

49. EMAIL NEWS OUTLETS!

MAKE them cover this! K&R

[Lars39]

50. Here's a list of media contacts:

Media List


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[Solly Mack]

52. WOW!! Incredible! Thanks!!!

[Lars39]

56. Can't take credit...I've just learned to squirrel handy stuff away.

:hi:

[KoKo]

53. From your link, Solly, the connection to Ghorbanifar and what do we know

recently about Manucher Ghorbanifar and his involvement with Chalibi and Iraq Invasion and forged Niger Documents, and Michael Ledeen? This is another "Fox in charge of hen house" scenario. And, makes it more possible we will start something with Iran, imho. Aside from the Grand Coverup which will continue. I hope that Dems can intervene in this by not confirming...if they are even given a chance. It will be a test of how far our Dems will go to "clean house" which includes the stuff hidden in the attic and basement that's needs to go.


Allen believed, however, that he sent a memorandum to Gates discussing, among other things, how much money North needed to pay Manucher Ghorbanifar from the Iran initiative. (Memorandum from Allen to the DCI, Subject: American Hostages, 11/10/86, ER 19739; Allen, Grand Jury, 1/4/88, pp. 19-21.) Independent Counsel was unable to corroborate Allen's testimony.

[Solly Mack]

58. Thank you, Koko01!!!!!

for pointing that out!

[starroute]

62. More on Gates' role in the 80's

Last January, robertpaulsen started a thread called PLAME = IRAN/CONTRA REDUX. The comments that followed included a link to a page about Danny Casolaro which mentions Gates:

http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/khashoggi.htm

On August 5, Casolaro had called Texas oil engineer Bob Bickel, who at one time worked as a Customs Bureau informant, apparently to talk about Robert Booth Nichols and his association with a former Justice official named Michael Abbell and Columbian drug lord Gilberto Rodriquez, both of whom were being investigated for their connections to the Cali drug cartel. Bickel previously had aspired to blow the whistle on CIA chief Robert Gates' role in shipping weapons to Iraq in the late 1980s. He had given Danny photocopies of one million and four million dollar checks drawn on the BCCI accounts of Iran-contra go-betweens Adnan Khashoggi and Manucher Ghorbanifar.

Gates has also been accused of involvement in the October Surprise.

And then there's this, from Robert Parry:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/102203.html

In the first few months of the Reagan administration, the hard-liners’ animosity toward the CIA’s analytical division intensified as it resisted a series of accusations against the Soviet Union. The CIA analysts were obstacles to the administration’s campaign to depict Moscow as responsible for virtually all acts of international terrorism, including the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II in Rome in 1981.

With William Casey installed as CIA director and also serving in Reagan’s Cabinet, the assault on the analytical division moved into high gear. Casey put the analytical division under the control of his protégé, Robert Gates, who had made his name as an anti-Soviet hard-liner. Gates then installed a new bureaucracy within the DI, or Directorate of Intelligence, with his loyalists in key positions.

“The CIA’s objectivity on the Soviet Union ended abruptly in 1981, when Casey became the DCI – and the first one to be a member of the president’s Cabinet. Gates became Casey’s deputy director for intelligence in 1982 and chaired the National Intelligence Council,” wrote former CIA senior analyst Melvyn Goodman.

Since it was the Michael Ledeen/Dewey Clarridge wing of things that was pushing the idea that the Soviet Union was the source of all terrorism, these three points seems to line Gates up very closely with them and Ghorbanifar.

And that, as you say, is not a good sign.

[Solly Mack]

65. Excellent!!

thank you

[KoKo]

90. Gates is "Dirty" .....but then what else could we expect "Poppy/Baker"

to foist on us when the "Little Spawn" is in deep, dark doo doo.

It just goes on and on....and then...there's Kissinger.....:banghead: and our "seemingly innocent media" who allows "evil spawn of Bush I" to put out Robert Gates name to replace Rummy figuring their "paid for whoring media" will never QUESTION IT! Like the Reporters for MSM don't have access to GOOGLE! or are Brain Dead or PAID so many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s for houses in the Hamptons or Nantucket that they will NEVER QUESTION???

Well...those of us who've been around the bend a few times know that corporate media will NEVER QUESTION... so my Q&A about this is Moot...I guess. :-(

[lyonn]

110. Wow, good synopsis of the whole dirty, tangled, lying

political/intelligence system during the 80's up to now.

[ima_sinnic]

54. PLEASE John Kerry, NOW is the right time to bring out everything about BCCI

and Iran-Contra--in the confirmation hearings, please assume this duty that you assumed by accepting our trust and using our resources--and your talent--to investigate these scum--We The People were denied justice back then, please help to set it right. Thank you.

[Solly Mack]

59. Now is the time indeed.

Now is the time to expose the entire web.

[cadmium]

92. Wow thanks for being on the ball!!

ALWAYS REMEMBER-----they never do anything benign.

Great early catch.

[blm]

93. He's blocked by many in his own party on this - I think he should say FULL SPEED AHEAD

and let the chips fall where they may.

Certain Dems want it all to go away - starting with the one who had the power but chose to continue the coverup. Clinton showed his colors when he never even ONCE mentioned BCCI in his book, even though there were 20 outstanding matters that needed further investigation when he took office.

[karynnj]

100. Unfortunately, Senator Kerry is not on the armed services committee

REPUBLICANS
John Warner (Virginia)
Chairman

John McCain (Arizona)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
John Ensign (Nevada)
James M. Talent (Missouri)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)
John Thune (South Dakota)

DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Ranking Member

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Mark Dayton (Minnesota)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York

This is the committee that he will appear before. I assume Kennedy is our best bet in asking any questions on this.

[SpiralHawk]

55. gates helped Ollie North give our Hawk missiles to Iran, didn't he

Another freakin republicon traitor.

They give sophisticated weapons systems to our enemies.

And now they want to send our sons and daughters to fight the guys they gave our weapons, too?

Why are the republicons so against the USA?

Do they want our sons and daughters in uniform to be killed with our weapons (so their munitions cronies can make mega profits)?

[Solly Mack]

60. It's Poppy's plan to rescue Shrub

That's their goal. Save Shrub and prevent the whole truth from coming out. Because if Shrub goes down (tried for crimes), they risk being exposed too.

[G_j]

114. I think that is correct

Though,
there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

[itsmesgd]

57. three words...Carlyle Group Advisor

This is a warning to everybody out there. This man is an advisor to the Carlyle Group.
This should be all that you need to know.

[Solly Mack]

61. Yep. The cover up is in the works

They don't want the entire connection to be exposed.

[mom cat]

63. No! His evil identical twin who uses the same name! UGH!

[Solly Mack]

64. LMAO

Of course I knew...just like putting things I already know in the form of a question.

[bunny planet]

66. here's more from Larry Johnson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/bob-gates-hes-back_b_33660.html

[Solly Mack]

71. Thanks! bunny planet!!

:)

[Lars39]

85. Thanks! I'm trying to collect some threads and articles about him:

What I have so far:
Iran-Contra,Robert Gates

NNN0LHIs thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2643425

Solly Mack’s thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2639900&mesg_id=2639900


Postmans’s thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2645115


Larry Johnson:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/bob-gates-hes-back_b_33660.html

[KoKo]

91. Thanks...I'll check this out. So far Media Folks swooning that Rummy's

gone and that this "Gates Fellow" can be repackaged to an "unaware" American Public and they think NO ONE KNOWS HIS PAST!!! UGH...Liberal Bloggers need to SWARM ALL OVER THIS APPOINTMENT!!! Gates is DIRTY!~

[bunny planet]

94. great, thanks for doing this

Here's a direct link to Larry Johnson's blog. Its always very interesting from a former inside the CIA man.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/

[Metta]

69. No surprise. Same day, different flies.

What can you expect? Are they really thinking we won't notice. *Great* info. :thumbsup: :donut: :donut:

[Solly Mack]

72. I expect this from a Bush. Exactly this

Thanks!

[nolabels]

70. Wow, back to the future already?

And isn't amazing Micheal J. Fox was making cameo appearances.


If John Kerry wants the nomination he will need to use this guy to drive a stake through their black hearts

[Solly Mack]

74. I know. Except I'm not in my 20's anymore

dammit.

[Jed Dilligan]

83. Why a spy like Gates, or a political hack like Rumsfeld?

Surely there are military leaders that could do this job better. Shouldn't it be someone who has been a general?

[Solly Mack]

87. Gates is Poppy's choice

Gates is about saving Bush Family face as well as perpetuating the myth that iraq being a disaster was the fault of strategy(Rumsfeld)...and not the fact that we should not have invaded period.

Shrub's ass will be protected as much as possible by Gates and Baker...

[halobeam]

97. Incredible thread. A MUST READ

[starroute]

99. Questions it would be nice to see Gates asked

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Saddam's_Hidden_History.html

In 1982, the Reagan administration, though officially neutral, began to fear an Iranian victory. In a 1995 affidavit in a federal criminal court case, Howard Teicher, a one-time member of Reagan's National Security Council staff, said that in 1982 he helped draft a secret National Security Decision Directive, signed by Reagan, to provide covert support to Iraq.

Teicher wrote, "The CIA, including both CIA Director Casey and Deputy Director Gates, knew of, approved of and assisted in the sale of non-U.S.-origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq." The Reagan administration also began providing Saddam Hussein's military with satellite photos of the battlefield and dual-use technology that Iraq used to build chemical and biological weapons. And the Reagan administration allowed Iraq to buy computer software that Saddam could use to track political opponents.

At a Senate hearing on September 19, 2002, Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.V.) asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: "Did the United States help Iraq to acquire the building blocks of biological weapons during the Iran-lraq war? Are we in fact, now facing the possibility of reaping what we have sown?" Rumsfeld, who was Reagan's special envoy to the Middle East in 1983 and 1984 and who met personally with Saddam on December 20, 1983, replied that he had "no knowledge" of such U.S. assistance. Was that a lie?

[Solly Mack]

103. That would be a great question to ask Gates

[Jacobin]

101. Pssst. He's a paleocon

He's not a neocon.

The neocons are ALL GONE NOW> ALL GONE>

Its safe to have hope.

the neocons are like the mafia, practical, ruthless and efficient. No more dreaming wild dreams and "creating your own reality" No more Grover. They're GONE. poof.

Poppy is running the show and I feel better. We are leaving Iraq. Watch it happen. The end begins NOW.

Flame away

[Solly Mack]

102. No flames

I think Gates signals that we are leaving Iraq...but then Baker really signaled that didn't he? A search of my threads will show I said months ago Bush was looking for a way out and Baker being part of the Iraqi group was part of that way out. Gates was/is a part of the Iraqi group as well. Imagine that. lolol

I know Poppy is out to save Shrub's ass. I know saving Shrub's ass includes telling any lie necessary to make Iraq look better so America can start to pull out

But Gates isn't a good thing. He's here to cover up.

Gates job IS to manufacture a reality. The manufactured reality that Rumsfeld and others were the only problems with Iraq and not Shrub's actions. This is the Cover Shrubs Ass play.

And it IS making up a reality. It IS creating a reality.

Because the truth is, Shrub is a war criminal and any reality that denies that is a lie. :)

[entanglement]

107. They certainly have the best crooks, liars and criminals $$$ can buy

I can't believe they're planning a cover up / whitewash of epic proportions RIGHT NOW. :grr:

[nolabels]

111. In short, It's just Iraq, a few hundred thousand innocent lives and trillion dollars

Just get over it already.

That make nice shit if for the birds, it's time for some real accounting of the situation. That whole Bush clique are war criminals period

[Solly Mack]

112. I agree they must be held accountable. I will never say otherwise

but Gates is in to save Shrub's ass. And they will get away with it if we let them.

[nolabels]

116. When Iran-Contra hit we didn't have all these wonderful assets

ie. P.C.s and the internet. This time millions of people knew who Gates was before he ever got to be mentioned. The surprise is seeming to be that Big brother works both ways. We should not be afraid to utilize it to neutralize the criminals that have been put on the lam like Gates.

Criminal often fail to see the big picture and we have a glimpse that this is another one of those times

[catzies]

104. Whoa.

*cue picture of Keanu Reeves*

No, seriously. I don't doubt that you're right, what along with the Baker Report coming.

[catzies]

105. Is this a sneak peek into the Baker Report? Is it out yet?

I wonder what else we have to look forward to.

[Solly Mack]

106. Should be out soon. They- they being the WH - said it would come out

after the elections, so...

[LittleClarkie]

108. Oh, that should go over real well with "The Investigator"

Gee, old home week. Kerry will be all nostalgic.

[Karenina]

113. Yeah, THAT Gates...

Givin' him a :kick:

[Karenina]

118. Another nudge... erraaa...

:kick:

[Solly Mack]

119. lol Hey Karenina

We have got to stop allowing the return of these thugs to power.

When another Bush-league wannabe tyrant comes back around because America(yet again) refuses to hold the guilty accountable, and the same people cry out(yet again) "oh woe is me, but how did this happen?" - I swear I'm laughing in their faces.

[Karenina]

120. Hey girlfriend!!!

The rot is SO PERVASIVE in the American government it will take MUCH MORE than a 51-49 split to clear it out... :hi::loveya::hi:

[bobthedrummer]

121. kick, because it's still the BFEE

Cross-post

"Gates is Poppy's guy..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2665635