There SHOULD be a recount in Virginia (a highly supervised one)

[PistolSteve]

Damnit - I want to make sure every vote counts. Period. I want the senate as bad as anyone else, but I think it is important that with an election this close, a recount be done. I could give a flying fuck about what the repubs would do if the positions were switched. I'm not a republican so I don't intend to act like one.

For all the talk about electronic voting machines and how important it is that all the votes count, it surprises me how many people here TRULY believe there shouldn't a recount. I have NO problem ripping on repubs who contradict themselves or even joking about the situation, but seriously it wasn't too long ago that we were in this position. Yes, it was only 500 votes then - but that wasn't our argument.

Our argument was, "We must be SURE of the results. There is NO harm in double checking".

George Allen is a douchbag and I might hang myself if he comes out ahead, but it sickens me how just yesterday all of us were worried about the votes being accurate and now we don't want one.

Again - I know 7,000 votes is a lot - but seriously, percentage wise, it is close enough. If the roles were switched, we would be DEMANDING a recount.

Like I said - I don't care, IN THE SLIGHTEST, what republicans would do if they were us. Not at all. In fact, they would probably do the same thing they did in 2000. But we are better than that. I, for one, don't compare myself to them.

[trumad]

1. That's like taking points off the board...

I say fuck em!

[PistolSteve]

2. How fucking hypocritical... nt

[trumad]

12. hypocritical? give me a fucking break

I'm sick of the play fair wussies who live in a fantasy world.

Kick em in the balls and keep kicking....

[PistolSteve]

20. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF HYPOCRITICAL!

Saying one thing when it effects you and another when it doesn't it. If the roles were switched would you say the same thing?

[trumad]

29. So you can read my mind?

If it was a fair and honest election I wouldn't call for a recount. Do you think this was a fair election? If not, who do you think made it unfair?

[jollyreaper2112]

16. that's dangerous talk

This is about subverting democracy. Every vote should count. However, I am concerned about dirty tricks they might try to pull in the middle of a recount. I don't want us to be the adults here and let them have a recount only to have them fuck with the numbers and steal it back.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. 7,000 is too close, but 500 in Florida 2000 race wasn't?

If you say so.:eyes: 7,000 is NOT a close race. IMCPO.

[PistolSteve]

6. I am not saying it is AS close, but seriously....

if it were switched, ALL OF US would be DEMANDING a recount.

[trumad]

17. Have you already forgotten who suppressed the vote in VA?

it wasn't Webb.

[PistolSteve]

21. I agree - that doesn't mean we shouldn't recount.

[BattyDem]

4. What scares me is this:

They have electronic machines and as we know, those machines can be programmed to switch votes during the final tabulation. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Webb "mysteriously" lost 8,000 electronic votes in a recount. :-(


edited: typo :blush:

[survivor999]

9. What machines do they have?

[BattyDem]

15. Last night, people were saying Diebold. If that's wrong, please correct me.

I'd be thrilled to be wrong on this. :bounce:

[soothsayer]

19. I voted on an "ADVANCED"

[Red Right and BLUE]

5. I don't think he'd come out ahead at all.

Let him have his recount if he wants it.

[PistolSteve]

8. THAT IS MY EXACT OPINION!

The last thing we need is them claiming for the next two years that they were ripped off.

[originalpckelly]

7. Webb has a nearly 8,000 vote margin. It isn't going anywhere...

Allen is just being a total dick. I just went through and did the math, and I'm telling you, unless some MAJOR error is found, Webb is going to win.

[PistolSteve]

10. That's fine - but again, no harm in a recount.

[uppityperson]

14. so, should a recount be ok then?

sounds ok to me, so long as it is a highly supervised recount to avoid hanky panky.

[PistolSteve]

18. yep - highly supervised is the key.

[uppityperson]

24. indeed. then dump the machines.

[NYCGirl]

11. I agree. If we were in that situation, we'd request one, too. NT

[jumpoffdaplanet]

13. I'll bet the rethugs want a paper trail now

suckers

[ContraBass Black]

22. It is within the recount margin.

There ought to be one whether he formally requests it or not.

[ACK]

23. Bless you! Election official from VA on the news

He said that VA is NOT Fla and there is no way 7,000 votes would turn on a recount.

Recount? Sure let us all make sure that every vote is counted. We demanded it before and now it is our time to stand up and show the bastards how the process for close elections should work.

Besides, a side benefit might be that it ends up pointing a bright light onto the voter intimidation thing the FBI is investigating.

[BattyDem]

26. He actually said "VA is not FL"

:rofl:

Good for him! :toast:

[ACK]

30. Yes he did - his words

He said and I paraphrase ok, "We have a process and its tested and all the lawyers can go on home. But the recount will not change the results 7,000 votes will not change in a recount in VA."

[FSogol]

25. Moot Point. VA automatically does a recount if the results are w/in

1/2 of 1% (0.5%). This race is currently 0.35% which triggers a recount automatically.

[FSogol]

27. I am mistaken. Allen has the right to request a state funded recount.

§ 24.2-800. Recounts in all elections.

A. The provisions of this article apply to all elections held in the Commonwealth.

B. When there is between any candidate apparently nominated or elected and any candidate apparently defeated a difference of not more than one percent of the total vote cast for the two such candidates as determined by the State Board or the electoral board, the defeated candidate may appeal from the determination of the State Board or the electoral board for a recount of the vote as set forth in this article. In an election of electors for the President and Vice President of the United States, the presidential candidate shall represent the vice-presidential candidate and slate of electors and be the party to the recount for purposes of this article.

C. When there is between the vote for a question and the vote against a question a difference of not more than fifty votes or one percent of the total vote cast for and against the question as determined by the State Board or the electoral board, whichever is greater, fifty or more voters qualified to vote on the question, by signing and filing their petition, may appeal from the determination of the State Board or the electoral board for a recount of the vote as set forth in this article.

(1979, c. 293, § 24.1-249; 1981, c. 570; 1993, c. 641.)

[soothsayer]

28. He has Nov 27 - Dec 7 to request one

An apparent losing candidate has ten days from the certification date to request a recount, so the time frame for filing a request for a recount for this election is November 27, 2006, through December 7, 2006.