I'm Starting To Wonder If Impeachment Is Necessary...

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see georgie squirm, but I think we can do far more damage to george's legacy by embarassing the shit out of him during his final 2 years in office.

By showing him up, and acting more mature than him and his cronies, we can take the high road, and keep his ratings in the mid-30's. He will resign with a failed administration, and easily one of the lowest(if not the lowest) approval ratings upon leaving office of any president in the history of the country.

All the Democrats have to do is put forth a "People First" agenda, which concentrates on helping out the American public, and also show support for a gradual pullout from Iraq.

George will likely have nothing to do except veto these proposals as they come from the Democratic congress, and then spend time criticizing the Dem agenda, which the public will likely overwhelmingly support.

With a little help for george, the Democrats will be in great shape to take back the WH in '08, as george will be so diminished in stature by then, the idea of a repub as President will be toxic to many people who will vote for change again in '08.

[FightingIrish]

1. It's a choice between regime change and containment.

Hopefully we've put him in a box where the only one he can hurt is himself.

[sillyphoenix]

7. Either one is fine by me!

Impeachment seems like assessing punitive damages. Not that that would be bad, but a declawed Bush is probably better than a non-present one. Besides... if we impeached him, we'd get CHENEY. Ick :scared:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. IMHO this man belongs behind bars for the rest of his life. Impeachment is

way too easy. He is a murdering sociopath.

[byronius]

3. Political considerations aside --

I'm all for Standard Operating Procedure. Investigate. If there's evidence of foul play, investigate more. Indict. Move along the Standard Operating Procedure List for such things. If Bush has committed impeachable offenses -- impeach.

Process. It's what's been missing -- what they don't respect -- what they hate. Procedure.

[Sherman A1]

9. Agreed and Well Said.

"The Process" is exactly what we need. Where it leads to is not all that important, but the process itself is very important.

[AntiFascist]

10. In the meantime, continue promoting impeachment...

so we can get to that point. Check out the new ads ImpeachBush.org will be placing in the New York Times and other newspapers.

[thingfisher]

27. Investigate and prosecute

all the players. This includes Halliburton, KBR, and the other "privatized" defense contractors who defrauded the taxpayers out of billions!

[debbierlus]

4. I don't know, it we need to prosecute a mass murderer now that we have him handcuffed

Are you kidding me?

This person bankrupted our nation, committed mass murder, killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people....

That isn't taking the high road. It shows total weakness.

If America is to be a country of justice - we must SEEK justice. This isn't a choice. It is a necessity.

Do not forget, Bush is STILL breaking the law. Torturing people. He must be held accountable. We must investigate to find out exactly what he & his thugs have done. And, we must hold it up to the light so that it will NEVER happen again.

This isn't about revenge. This is about doing the right thing.

[brentspeak]

11. The American people would turn on the Democrats in a heartbeat

should the Democrats in Congress start up the impeachment dog-and-pony show. Republicans were booted from office because the public was sick of political games and circuses, not because they want to see more games and circuses.

It's clear from Dennis Kucinich' new list of investigative objectives that he does not want to pursue impeachment. I trust Kucinich to know what's right on this matter.

[debbierlus]

19. When, oh when, oh when, oh when will Dems learn

Doing the right thing for the right things sake will work for them better then any political calculation....

Sorry. This isn't Clinton & a bj. This is the mass murder of 100s of thousands of people. This is the theft of our treasury and the debt of our children.

The man is a criminal. The Republicans need to be shown Democrats will fight to ensure that people who violate the law and Constitution will be held to account lest they think the second we are out of power, they could do it again.

Holding Bush to account is a must.

[brentspeak]

22. But the Democrats WILL be doing the right things

Dennis Kucinich has already issued a list of investigation topics he'd like to pursue: the missing/stolen billions in Iraq; election fraud, etc.

[earth mom]

26. People didn't believe in the Impeachment on Clinton.

Clinton didn't hurt anyone but himself and his family and Monica.

This time around it's a very different story. MILLIONS have died for a LIE. I think you would be surprised how many people in this country would support Impeachment in regards to * & Co.

The people have had ENOUGH.

http://www.harpers.org/IsThereACaseForImpeachment.html

[TlalocW]

5. I agree and what's more

If we handle ourselves correctly, and we make things difficult for George, he will have a very public meltdown. In so many instances, it seems like he's been on the verge of one, and that's when the republicans controlled everything. Just imagine what he'll be like when his agenda arrives DOA to Congress.

TlalocW

[MnFats]

6. perhaps the deciding factor should be whether he committed an IMPEACHABLE...

an impeachable offense?
let's see what evidence the inevitable investigations will produce.
If he, like Nixon, manipulated the machinery of government to bolster lies, abuse power, line his friends' pockets etc.
then send him to PRISON.

[Tellurian]

8. It's not about Embarressment...Responsiblity for Iraqi deaths and 3,000 troops..

Please, this isn't a child's game. Someone has to be accountable for
all the killed Iraqi civilians, thousands of our own, torture at Abu Graib!

The buck STOPS in the Oval office!

[grace0418]

14. Exactly, we're not talking about exacting revenge for making Dems lose.

We're talking about crimes against humanity that have cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars. He needs to pay for his crimes. Although I can't even imagine what punishment would be appropriate enough to fit his crimes.

[gulfcoastliberal]

12. I think not impeaching Raygun was a serious mistake

And I think * and all his "people" should be investigated for impeachable offenses - and charges should be brought in the senate or elsewhere if it appears he or anyone else did. Don't give these slimy pukes one second of sympathy or forgiveness - they don't do that for us, they attack our values, they attack all we stand for. If any * admin appointee - including the prez and VP are in violation, they should be tried. Or else our entire justice system is one big joke.

[debbierlus]

20. Amen

This is what we must do...What do democrats stand for, if they don't hold people to account that commit treason and violate the constitution....

Investigate. Try. Penalize.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. It takes a two thirds vote in the Senate to remove a president, so removal

via impeachment is unrealistic.

However, the conviction might still be useful...

[AntiFascist]

23. The conviction and/or the resignation....

it would also set an example AND help to restore America's reputation round the world.

[brentspeak]

15. Rec'd for Greatest Page

[seabeyond]

16. this is what i say. always works for me, in my situations and dems

are that good, smart and pissed... i have faith

[Matariki]

17. I don' t care about him being impeached

I care about his administration being INVESTIGATED and prosecuted if(ha! i mean 'when') found guilty.

[pa28]

18. We need a comprehensive set of hearings to get the facts.

Impeachment depends on the facts and where they lead. It may not be a matter of choice.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

21. The Problem Re: Impeachment

The Democrats are not the repubs. The Democrats are not the "eye for an eye" party, like the repubs.

Do george's crimes go beyond the ones Clinton was impeached for? OF COURSE! Has he committed High Crimes & Misdemeanors? YUP!

I still wonder if the Democrats are going to put their agenda at risk by pursuing something which could potentially backfire on them, or cause them to have a harder time winning the WH in '08, or retaining the Congress in that election.

[brentspeak]

25. Couldn't agree more. In fact, Nixon's impeachment was a tragedy for the U.S.

Of course, Nixon deserved to be impeached. No point in arguing about that. But at the time that the impeachment hearings began, Nixon was attempting to sell legislative ideas that would have provided universal health care for every American citizen. He was even proposing things like a guaranteed minimum annual income for workers, as well as yearly monetary stipends for every American family. Nixon was actually the last truly "liberal" President on domestic issues the U.S. has had.

But all of Nixon's ambitious plans were torpedoed by his being impeached. In fact, though the Democrats thought they had scored a coup by getting Nixon to resign, it was the Republicans who were most grateful for Nixon's impeachment: they hated every part of Nixon's liberal domestic agenda.

[thingfisher]

24. The whole Bush Crime Family

needs to be investigated ince and for all! These creeps have been involved in all the biggest crimes and scandals of the last fifty years. The ones involved before that are dead.

I doubt that the time or resources needed will be invested to do the thorough job that needs doing but even if a fraction of their crimes are revealed it will be worth it.

To bad Clinton and Poppie are such good pals...

[Initech]

28. Bush has had everything handed to him on a silver platter for six years.

Including his 5 - 4 Supreme Court ruling that made him the president. I'm not saying that we return the favor, I just want a government that will make the next two years very very difficult for him and his cronies.

[Laelth]

29. Respectfully disagree.

Those who commit treason must be punished. We have got to hold * and this administration accountable. If we don't, they'll just slink back into the shadows only to creep out again in six or ten years and commit the same crimes.

No. There must be investigations, and there must be consequences. We stood on the brink of fascism! Those who took us there must pay for their assault on the Constitution.

For the love of this country, Democrats, make the traitors pay!

:dem:

-Laelth