Can we all finally admit that the majority is LIBERAL?

[boolean]

As Bill Maher has said many times, the country is not as conservative as the corpomedia leads everyone to believe. Can we finally agree that the sheeple are all Liberals at heart, DYING to have some real leadership for a change?

If people were so fucking conservative, there is no way they would've allowed the possibly final chance to take the supreme court in order to make abortion illegal. It is an impossibility now. They wouldn't have struck down the abortion ban in SOUTH DAKOTA, this supposedly super neo con state.

If people were so fucking conservative, they wouldn't have become disillusioned with the Iraq war as much as they have. They wouldn't be so against chimpy's social security reform. They wouldn't be so for stem cell research. (SEVENTY PERCENT! Where are all these crazy fundy neo con nutjobs who think embryos are babies?!)

Where is this so called conservative majority we keep hearing about? Seems to me like most people want affordable, universal health care. Seems to me like most people have a problem with running the debt out of control. Seems to me like most people don't like seeing soldiers die for a lost cause. Seems to me like most people want to see the minimum wage go up. Seems to me like most people are sick and fucking tired of this neo con bullshit being shoved down their throats for the last 20 years.

Democrats: Shift to the left proudly.

[Maven]

1. Yes.

Liberalism is the ideological engine of the Democratic Party.

[Duke Newcombe]

2. Not so fast...

This sea-change was as much about a repudiation of GWB as it was a vote for us. Most of the wins were by moderate Dems...the Mighty Middle carried the day for us--let's not screw it up by replacing Repub overreaching with our own brand...

Duke

[Maven]

3. People want IDEAS for fixing the country.

Ideas don't come from the "middle." They come from one end trying to push in another direction. Moderates moderate. They don't innovate.

[Duke Newcombe]

8. Note to those in the liberal wing of my party...

Contrary to what the echo chamber tells you: you're not the smartest people in the room, nor the only ones with ideas. Recognized that most of America indeed LIVES in the middle, and don't crap on them and run amok because you feel like the "SmartOnes (tm)"

Duke

[Binka]

11. Liberal Wing? Echo Chamber? Smartest People In The Room?

Excuse me dude but you are awful new here to be spewing the odious RW talking points. Enjoy your stay.

[Maven]

13. Note to the "moderates" in the party

You're not the holiest people in the room, despite what pollsters and pundits tell you.

Recognize that the most socially and politically important changes in the last century--Social Security, the Great Society, the civil rights movement, etc.--were once considered "radical" and would never have happened were fate left to wafflers and fence-sitters.

[Duke Newcombe]

15. Point taken...

As long as we "moderate" each other, we all win.

Duke

[mattclearing]

21. This ain't your party. Have a nice day. n/t

[boolean]

25. Same old horse shit

"wahh wahh wahh you're not the smartest don't crap on us wahh wahh wahh!"

Every single thing that every single American can stand up and be proud of has come from Liberals. Social Security, civil rights, the list goes on and on and on.

[mattclearing]

4. You come up with that yourself?

Cause it sounds a lot like the bullshit they are peddling on tv.

The Repbublicans said we would raise taxes (on large corporations and the superwealthy...they always leave that bit out), cut and run (from a foolish and unwinnable war), let gays marry (you got a problem with that?), and yet, we still won.

I think we have a duty to the American people to hold up our end of the bargain.

[originalpckelly]

26. Keep that attitude and minority here we come in '08...

they were really moderate and in the case of Jim Webb, conservative Democrats.

We have two fights:
1. Get Democrats elected - accomplished.
2. Get liberal Democrats elected - not yet

When we get liberal Democrats in the House and the Senate, we'll rule the day. But until then we have to be moderates, because if we aren't those new seats will go right back to the Republicans in '08.

We need to learn from Republican lessons, they fucked up because they were too radical. We can't be the same way.

While I don't respect the DLC much, because they are corporate shills, I do respect people like Jim Webb, who is a conservative. They do have different ideas about how America works, but they aren't too damaging like the revolutionary neo-cons. We can hash out deals with real conservatives, and they won't screw us.

And on top of that they are in our party, so on party v. party issues, which aren't liberal or conservative, we'll be able to have the full power of Congress.

[xultar]

32. I agree. They seem to have forgotten that many of the Democrats elected

were closer to center more moderate to lightly conservative Democrats. Not LIBERALS like us.

[TahitiNut]

22. Perhaps a little more thinking is in order. Try this on for size ...

It's pretty clear that folks who voted for the GOP candidates were satisfied ... and voting FOR Bush, Cheney, and the national GOP leadership on the extreme right - hardly 'moderates.'

After all, the election was nationalized, right? It wasn't just about Linc Chaffee, for example ... it was about the leadership of the Republican Party.

For at least the last month before the election, every reichtard mouthpiece was warning of the impending doom of "San Francisco liberals!" and "tax and spend liberals chairing committees" and raising the ol' GOP hobgoblins of Kennedy, Conyers, Waxman, and the rest of those "northeastern liberals." (Booga-booga!)

I therefore suggest that the voters heard this ... and said "sounds good to me!"

The bullshit spin of the muddled-in-the-roaders is just that: bullshit.

The facts are far more in support of Pelosi, Rangel, Waxman, Conyers, and the LIBERAL leadership of the Democratic Party LEFT than they're in support of the Vichy DLCers like Harold Ford - who lost. Big. (That size loss in a coast-to-coast tidal wave of liberalism should tell somebody something - and racism just don't cover it.)

[high density]

29. Is that you, Joe Scarborough?

Turn off the TV already. I don't expect the country to take a left turn overnight but it's pretty clear that people do want it pulled away from the direction it has been headed.

[BurtWorm]

34. Your name is familiar.

Where have I heard it before...

:think:

[madrchsod]

5. the center voted for a change

the center includes a lot of people who are waiting to see what the democrats deliver in the next two years. it`s up to us to make sure they do.

[jgraz]

10. The problem with terms like "center" and "middle"...

is you first have to agree on where the "middle" is. I think yesterday told us that the "middle" is somewhere over there...no over there...just a little more to the left...a bit more....there.

[Perky]

28. OMG could you please take a look at the numbers and who won?

We did not beat conservatives by being liberal Rahm Emmanuel recruited candidates who were moderates and we beat neocons in the house by appearing reasonable.


Look at the Senate. Jim Webb? Bob Casey? Lieberman? Harold Ford (almost). John Tester? None of these guys are liberals. They are however Democrats.

The only liberal Democrate who took away a Senate seat from a republican was Sheldon Whitehouse and He beat another liberal.

Look at votes on Gay marriage across the country. The Country is not liberal. It did however create an equicical mandate to away from extreme right-wing politics.

[xultar]

33. True. They aren't gonna get it and fuck up an 08 win then I'm really

gonna be pissed. :grr:

[Mandate My Ass]

36. Casey was forced down our throats

He was very quiet about his stances and when polled, people said if there had been a more liberal Senate candidate in PA, they would have voted for him over Casey. There is a reason for primaries and I don't appreciate the Dem leadership picking candidates, that's my job.

Anybody could have taken Santorum down, it was time for him to go.

[KittyWampus]

37. Sherrod Brown is a liberal Democrat, so your thesis is somewhat flawed.

[skipos]

6. Gay marriage bans have passed easily in blue states like WI, MI and OR.

While America certainly isn't Santorum, it isn't Feingold either.

[lapfog_1]

19. And yet, if you ask Americans in a nation wide poll

if gays should "have the same rights" as everyone else, they answer in the affirmative by a large margin. It's only when you use emotional loaded words like marriage that it goes the other way.

I have no explanation for this, it's completely illogical.

[upi402]

7. We have a chance to show the truth and not defend and backpedal

The nation can realize it is liberal even though the media incessantly says it's not.

Dems *HAVE TO* remain unified. And they have to push ahead very fast, and very hard. No pausing to defend themselves, apologize, and make excuses.

[LeftCoast]

9. Honestly, I think it depends on your perspective.

Compared to me, I would argue that most Dems in congress are moderate.

:shrug:

[Lexingtonian]

12. hmmm....

I'd say that the political center has gone neutral, not liberal yet. It took them most of two years to decide that 'conservative' is just a pile of crap at this point. We need a year or two for them to see that being liberal just works out better these days.

Conservative political eras are all hypocrisy and such. The point isn't conservatism, whatever the lip service. The point is to stall change and fill the time with primitive psychotherapeutic egomanias. (Look at the celebrity cultism at the moment.) Liberal political eras are defined by changes and creativity, though we implement them in fits and starts because the full bore versions are too overwhelming.

[Dr Fate]

14. No- but Liberals are among the groups that comprise the majority.

The Democratic Party (AKA the majority) has always been a coalition party.

[Duke Newcombe]

16. And that's what I love about it...

...just trying to keep it from beocming the lock-step monolith like the one we just chucked out....

Duke

[Dr Fate]

20. I am moderate-to-Left- but DEMS did not win with just straight Liberal voters.

This fact should not even be up for debate.

[TahitiNut]

24. Read my post (#22) above and think about it.

Again.

[Dr Fate]

39. Already thought about it.

I tend to think that rather than fully supporting all things Liberals- it was more of a "Let's give them a try- how much worse can they be?" or even- maybe- just maybe- moderates thought to themselves: "San Francisco values??? This sounds like more propaganda and gay bashing that fooled me in '04..."

Please do not read my posts as saying that Liberals and Liberal issues were not a positive factor in '06. Read it as saying we were not the ONLY factor.

[TahitiNut]

40. As vaguely and clumsily as the People stagger to the polls ...

... I think one thing is clear: The vast majority are against special privilege and are NOT in favor of victimizing a minority (which MANY see the wealthy as being).

In a very succinct way, that's not a bad characterization of a "Liberal Agenda" - "Rights above Privilege" and protection of minorities against the tyranny of the majority (mob rule or populism).

Liberalism is EVERYONE's interests!

[enigmatic]

23. you got it

On the money.

[Mr_Spock]

31. Thanks for clarifying

Just as the "base" was not enough for the republicans to win an election, if Dems only tried to appeal to liberals in their party, they would not have won the election nearly so handily and likely would have perhaps only taken control of the House - perhaps...

[uppityperson]

17. liberal, right, left, conservative, center, who defines them?

Most people want affordable food, shelter, belongings, healthcare, jobs, safety for their family and friends, education. Does this make them left, right, conservative, liberal, nonconservative, righteous, what?

[last1standing]

18. The majority of this country is neither liberal nor conservative.

They just want to come home from their jobs, have dinner with their healthy children, turn on the TV and not hear over and over how some congressman in FL is chasing after little boys, another has been convicted of accepting bribes, that another factory has closed in the next town or that three more soldiers have been killed overseas. They don't care how that's done or which party does it.

Its not a lot to handle but the repubs have finally managed to screw it up. Now it's our turn to see if we can manage our house a little better. If we can, we keep the majority, if not, then we go back to losing.

[CBHagman]

27. We need to concentrate our effort on the media now.

Seriously, we need to provide constant, relentless feedback and criticism to the media, for two reasons: number one, the reporting on the Bush administration has been done on a curve; number two, we really need to focus the debate.

For example, how many of you gave a radio station, a newspaper, or a pundit hell over the slanted coverage of John Kerry's Bush joke? How many of you are calling the media on their spinning of the Webb victory in Virginia?

Let's not split apart now over defining the predominant political views of 300 million Americans. Let's focus on health care, on real national security (implementing the 9/11 commission guidelines, for instance), job loss, and the like. Common sense is on our side, and let's shift the debate back to common sense.

[xultar]

30. I don't think so. Depends on how you define liberal.

[dysfunctional press]

35. the corporo-fascist media has been telling the populace that they lean right-

for so long that they're starting to believe it...

how can a supposedly christian nation NOT be liberal?
after all, isn't jesus christ a character who is pretty much the epitome of liberalism...?

The Dems need to keep POUNDING this message home, again and again, until LIBERAL loses it's greed -induced tarnish, and once again becomes the shining ideal of American society.

[Blue State Blues]

38. It's not as simple as left, right or center.

Most Americans (in recent polls) hold populist values when it comes to ideas like minimum wage, healthcare, an exporting jobs overseas.

Most Americans hold liberal values when it comes to ideas like fairness and leveling the playing field.

On the other hand, most Americans are conservative in that they are averse to change -- any change -- so they get uneasy about social change in gender roles or gender definitions or even a more general "things aren't like they used to be." Even people who aren't committed bigots can be led by the unscrupulous playing to this aspect of their character. And yet, true conservatives can be just as appalled by the radical changes to our constitutional form of government made by the Bush Admin.

Then there is a radical right fringe and a radical left fringe (though we haven't heard from them in a long time. no, Michael Moore is not the radical left of which I speak. He's center-left on the scale I'm picturing) who don't represent most americans most of the time, but occasionally have a catchy idea that gains broader appeal.

A single American can be populist, liberal, and conservative at the same time, though identify himself or herself only by one label or by none at all. Clear as mud.