OK folks it 's time to MOVE ON already

[Perky]

Lieberman is not going to bolt to the GOP. Move On.

Electronic Voting is still dangerous, but there is no vast right right-wing consipiracy to flip votes. Fix the paper trail issue and Move On

Bin Laden is apparently alive and well and not in some freezer somewhere.

Rumsfeld has left the building. Start thinking constructively about how to extricate ourselves from this mess in Iraq.

Impeachment will not happen on Pelosi's watch. Investigate. Censure. Move on


* is effectively in a box.


We control both Housesof congress. Lets get something positive done instead of simply sniping at the demons of the past. That is our Mandae. Let's not blow it.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. MIHOP!

I'm kidding...;):hi:

[Nimrod2005]

24. Lol...

[Cobalt Violet]

2. We have to right the Katrina wrongs.

There must be more we can do.

[Clark2008]

3. OK - but we still need to do something about the corporately-

controlled right-wing media.

THAT is no conspiracy theory - THAT is fact and makes it increasingly more difficult to both elect Democrats and have them hold their seats.

I think that (along with some other minor issues) was the main reason my state didn't join the blue wave on Tuesday: we have no alternative media.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. Media de-consoldiation NOW!

:thumbsup:

[TheBaldyMan]

4. You mean back to the snarky old GD & business as usual?

[acmejack]

7. exactly, providing direction to others.

Whether they need it or not. After all, there are only a few adults hare...

[Hubert Flottz]

5. "Impeachment will not happen on Pelosi's watch"

Why is she part of the neocon gang?

[Selatius]

6. The investigation of war crimes would take over two years of digging

Bush will be out of office for a while before final conclusions. There wouldn't be impeachment in that scenario, just criminal prosecution.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. I voted for god damned OVERSIGHT like the democrats promised!

If we don't get oversight, I'll vote against any democrat that drags his or her feet!

I hope Joe Lieberman got the message, that we tried to send him and I hope any other bush enabling democrats in the senate did too.

[Selatius]

11. There will be, like Dems making sure Bush doesn't fuck up anymore

But the fact is government investigations move slower than molasses in the dead of winter. I have a major hunch that even if probes were launched right now, they wouldn't finish until after Bush has left office with the Bush family long since moved to their Wolf's Lair bunker in Paraguay.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. We will NEVER KNOW that if we do not try!

We need to stop the national idiot's reign of terra post-haste! My grandsons don't need to be murdered in some oily shithole, because of that insane, delusional, idiot, in the White House. Bush can do more damage to the planet in one hour, than anyone else on Earth could do in a lifetime!

Does Bush need to start eating bodies on TV, before people start to see what an unstable, murdering, nutcase, that he is?

[Selatius]

30. But like I said, investigations take time

They could take years, and if that's the case, impeachment is off the table by default, and it would be handled in the legal arena, not in the arena of the House or Senate floor.

[McKenzie]

8. beg to differ

1. Lieberman is not going to bolt to the GOP. Move On.

How do you know that? What evidence do you have to confirm that opinion?

2. Electronic Voting is still dangerous, but there is no vast right right-wing consipiracy to flip votes. Fix the paper trail issue and Move On

Would you like to debate that with Greg Palast? His books are full of evidence on this issue yet he has never been sued. I wonder why not? Have you researched this as thoroughly as Palast and others such as Bev Harris have?

3. Bin Laden is apparently alive and well and not in some freezer somewhere.

Who told you that? Even if he is still alive, but gets caught or killed will it make a shred of difference? Will the jihaadists all fall down and wail "we surrender, Osama had superhuman powers and no-one can replace him"? So what would killing him achieve?

4. Rumsfeld has left the building. Start thinking constructively about how to extricate ourselves from this mess in Iraq.

Ever think about asking the Iraqi people what they want? How about letting them hold an independent election with independent international observers for a start? What would be your response if they said "leave our country now"?

5. Impeachment will not happen on Pelosi's watch. Investigate. Censure. Move on

How are you so sure impeachment will not happen? Do you think censure is appropriate punishment for the death of over 650,000 people on the basis of a tissue of lies?

Just asking for detailed answers.

[Perky]

16. ok pint by Point and then I am off to work

On Lieberman...Because he has said so repeatedly.
On Impeachment because Pelosi has said so repeatedly
If they said leave Iraq. We need to take our weapons and go. It is that simple. We never should have been there and the mess we created is a breeding ground for extemist. Itis all Bush fault...

On OBL the point was that the notion that he is on ice somewhere and Rove is waiting for the right moment to wheel him out in an "october suprise" should now be completely debunked.

I never said the machines were not problematic but the notion that they are being used conspiratorial to control election results should now be debunked as well. we won every GOP house seat by small margins not huge margins. We took back the House, the Senate and the Ohio Governorship. That is all the proof I need that the machine are not being maninipulated. That is not to say they couldn;t be manipulated simply that in this elevcetion cycle they weren't not. Until I see evidence that the results were in fact manipulated beyond isolated and aneddotal information, Mr. Paast is going to have to bring forth witnesses that can prove the conspiracy.

[treestar]

9. Attempts to control the dialogue always bring out the rebel in me

It's not time to move on, yet. There's plenty of time for that. Now is the time to celebrate, namely, to gloat at every freeper that lives.

There isn't much need to do anything, either. The voters just wanted Georgie to realize he does not have unlimited power and that they didn't want him to be dictator after all. They aren't scared of terra any more and want to get back to the constitutional republic as usual. Very good news. But Democratic idealists thinking they have a mandate will get nowhere. We do not have a mandate - the President is still a Repuke. We have a mandate to do nothing but put the brakes on his bid for untrammeled power, which is a beautiful thing.

The only mandate we have is to put to rest the idea that the People were willing to let the republic die and live in a dictatorship in the name of the supposed protection from terra it would offer. That is enough to celebrate.

[lapfog_1]

12. Move On???

Lieberman is not going to bolt to the GOP. Move On.

-- Joe falls into the category of either Shaka Zulu or Sun Tzu. Shaka would say "Leave no enemies behind" and Sun would say "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Either way, we need to deal with Joe somehow, we need to get rid of him eventually.

Electronic Voting is still dangerous, but there is no vast right right-wing conspiracy to flip votes. Fix the paper trail issue and Move On

-- bullshit. Hacking the vote did happen, I'm sure of it. It just wasn't enough this time. In fact, the repukes have a whole set of tricks to use... starting with scrubbing the voting roles, swiftboating the opponent, the usual dirty tricks on election day (jamming phone lines, misdirecting voters, voter intimidation), and, yes, hacking the vote. And we don't need paper trails... we need hand counts of paper ballots. We don't need computers in the election process. Period. And I'm a life long systems programmer and hacker before there was the term "hacker".

Bin Laden is apparently alive and well and not in some freezer somewhere.

-- I doubt that he is alive still, but he might be. I'm pretty sure we don't have him on ice.

Impeachment will not happen on Pelosi's watch. Investigate. Censure. Move on.

-- Investigate. If there were clearly impeachable offenses, impeach. Why rule it in or out? If major crimes or treason happened, it would be a clear disservice to the constitution and the oath of office of the Congress not to impeach. But we shouldn't impeach just because we hate their policies. I believe that impeachable offenses did occur, and both Cheney and Bush (and Condi) are guilty. But I'm willing to let the investigations happen and the evidence collected and presented to the people. This won't hurt our chances to win the Presidential election in 2008.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. OK! I Don't Wan't To Get LEFT BEHIND

[mdmc]

17. never been much of a joementum hater

welcome back Joe!:hi:

[AllieB]

18. We still have disputed House results because of electronic voting machines

There probably was widespread fraud, but it couldn't make up for the tsunami of voters who wanted to oust the Republicans. I'm willing to bet that the Republicans are pushing Allen to concede because they don't want an investigation into voting in VA.

[KharmaTrain]

19. How About Let's Move Forward

The goal now is to prove our salt...make those who voted for Democrats feel good about that choice and not hesitate to do so again in '08. It's building on its new role as the Mainstream party where we have recaptured the middle work for the common good as opposed to the special interests.

[ima_sinnic]

20. no, I WON'T "move on"--why so eager to let the scum off the hook?

I am STILL pissed that Iran-Contra TRAITORS, SCAM ARTISTS, and FELONS are still infesting the halls of government, and constantly morphing, as in Robert Gates--these people should never again be allowed to serve in public office--yet now one is nominated to Secretary of Defense.

We had to "move on" from Iran-Contra and learned that, if you're "in government," you can walk away scot-free from lawlessness -- We The People did NOT prevail in holding anyone accountable or in changing anything to prevent similar abuses from happening. Emboldened, feeling even more invincible and empowered, the same human backwash is advancing again, and we will continue to be the gullible fools getting ripped off and trampled on.

well, I'm not going to "move on," I want to see justice done for the many lives ruined, the suffering, the plundering, the trauma that these unconscionable greed-head shitbags have brought to the world. We don't need yet another JFK-Watergate-Iran/Contra wound to the national psyche. Let's FINALLY have SOME JUSTICE.

[Perky]

22. I AM NOT EAGER TO LET ANY ONE "OFF THE HOOK"

and yet at the same time, we need a positive agenda and actual legislative success. If we spend two years investigating these thugs and do nothing on fixing healthcare or establishing a reasonable immigration policy. and ensuring that E-voting works. I am fine with investigation and I want Justice too, but we need a more "progress"-ive focus.


DUers who continue to fight wars with windmills drive me nuts. The sum of our existence is not to be in constant protest mode. It is time to govern! If all we do is rage against the machine rather then embrace the fact that we are now the machine, we will lose the right to govern....again.

[leesa]

21. Right. Bury all the crimes so that the criminals can resurface later.

Haven't we done this enought times to know it's a disaster? Kissenger? Iran-Contra?

[WilliamPitt]

23. Weren't we supposed to be at war with Iran by now?

Lotta folks get really nervous before elections.

[Nimrod2005]

25. Excellent excellent post ---- I agree 100%

[Arugula Latte]

26. Voting reform is at the top of my list.

We need paper trails and voter verification, etc. so these freaks can never steal another one.

[Neshanic]

27. Yes by all means move on. Cut back on the coffee Perky.

[bvar22]

28. Its time for the Dems to "Move to the Center" and enact positive

reforms.
HERE is the "CENTER":

In recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News, the American majority has made clear how it feels. Look at how the majority feels about some of the issues that you'd think would be gospel to a real Democratic Party:

1. 65 percent (of ALL Americans, Democrats AND Republicans) say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.

2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of selfdescribed "social conservatives").

3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.

4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.

6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.

7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."


http://alternet.org/wiretap/29788/

8. Over 63% oppose the War on the Iraqi People.

9. 92% of ALL Americans support TRANSPARENT, VERIFIABLE elections!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445

How does it feel to be a "Centrist"?



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Touchdown]

29. It's only day 2. God, how pushy can you get?

We'll get to them. Chill!:hi: