Just in case there was any doubt that Al Franken was a DLC shill

[American Jesus]

He just referred to Tom "caucus fixing traitor" VilSUCKASS as a "breath of fresh air".

We need to cut the DLC cancer out of this party NOW. They're already trying to claim credit for OUR victory.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. Glad to see this election hasn't changed anything.

Onward with the purges!!!

[Lurking Dem]

13. Hehehehe.

[Behind the Aegis]

37. Exactly!

I never understood the "fear" some have here of the Republicans. The greatest threat is from within the party.

"The call is coming from inside the house!"

[bobbolink]

51. Absolutely! Corporations must go, or lose the nation!

Those who can't figure that out by now haven't been paying attention.

[LynneSin]

60. I guess the Honeymoon is overwith

Where the hell is my "Hide Thread" feature!

[Lex]

2. Ah, still more circular firing squads for the Dems

I see.

:eyes:

[NYCGirl]

3. Oh, can it. Now that we're in control, we need EVERYONE. Lefty purity tests

are for losers.

[hlthe2b]

14. yupper

:thumbsup:

[patrice]

15. Does that go for no Parental Notification for Minors who need abortions?

It's time to REALLY fracture the RW base by making a deal on some Abortion issues of our choosing, beginning with "we" will reduce abortions by _____ per year by providing Free Day Care and health-care, for children and mothers, that includes age appropriate reproductive health curriculum.

[earth mom]

61. B.S. The losers are the DINOs & DLCers who want to drag dems to the right!

They are nothing more than LYING rethugs trying to pass as dems-HELL NO-that is NOT okay! :puke:

[porphyrian]

4. More obnoxiously, they're saying that we didn't win so much...

...as conservatives did by voting against the republican party. I don't have a problem with them staying in our party as long as they play nice, but they certainly haven't shown any interest in doing so yet.

[SouthernBelle82]

19. And don't forget

being honest!

[greeneyedboy]

5. for now, let's try to think rationally about advancing our common interests.

let Rahm et al. try to take credit. grassroots progressives kicked ass on fundraising & field and that's what wins campaigns. if we keep electing our candidates and winning primaries, we control the party.

[patrice]

18. Anyone who thinks _________ is more valuable than those "others"

is a Republican.

[msongs]

6. what would jesus say about your choice of words and the way you

describe people?


Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[American Jesus]

10. Perhaps you need to read the chapter where I went off on the moneychangers in the Temple

The DLC reminds me a lot of those guys.

[Clark2008]

27. There are a lot of fundie nuts in my neck of the woods who

constantly allege that religion belongs in politics.

So I ask them if they love and follow Jesus. When they reply, 'of course!', I then ask them about that Temple story and the Caeser quote and pop 'em with the fact that Jesus, himself, believed in the separation of Church of and State.

:evilgrin:

[American Jesus]

47. Did they try to crucify you after that?

That's what they did to me when I gave a similar response :(

[patrice]

29. And in the chancellry. Religion is a Business. Just like social clubs.

A country club or the YW/MCA.

Tax the church-cartels.

[Individualist]

7. Ignore the flames from the DLC cheerleaders

Their talking points are as stale and unappealing as month-old bread.

[cyberswede]

8. How do you "fix" a caucus?

I'm no fan of the DLC (or Vilsack, for that matter), but I don't get your assertion that he fixed the caucus.
thx - cs

[KittyWampus]

9. Seems sometimes the word "DLC'er" is used around here like the word "poopiehead"

[American Jesus]

11. You are correct

The DLC are indeed poopieheads.

[stepnw1f]

12. very good (nt)

[oc2002]

24. DLC is dead, but they keep trying to sell the country to highest bidder

by getting DLC shills in as Dems.

[Doctor_J]

16. If we were able to agree that Lamont winning the CT primary was "democracy

in action", then why shouldn't we have a DLCer, a populist (Schweitzer), a non-politician (Clark), and a liberal (Boxer) vie for the nomination?

[patrice]

20. Schweitzer?

[Doctor_J]

23. Or some other westerner. MT, CO, IA, KS, AZ are turning blue

Do you have some doubt that they, with their markedly different outlook on life than Kerry and Barney Frank and Holy Joe, shouldn't be welcomed with open arms and open minds?

[patrice]

25. Kathleen Sebelius, governor of Kansas.

Sebelius : Boyda

[Doctor_J]

28. Exactly

Or Janet Neopolitano. Neither of them has anything in common with Hillary except 2 X chromosomes and a (D) after her name. If the two of them want to jump into the primary vs. Clark and Vilsack and Biden and Obama, it can do nothing but help.

[patrice]

30. More!!! Women.

Smart, practical wymyn who are not Liddy Dole.

[Oak2004]

45. I used to be a Westerner

and the Western populist libertarian streak IS not DLC-ism. Far from it. Try proposing outsourcing to a Western populist, and watch them swallow so as to keep themselves from spitting on you.

It's not Eastern liberalism either, though it could easily make common cause with it. Probably more easily than with DLC-ism (which is corporatism, Democrat-style), and easily enough to fit into the PDA.

Vermont's brand of liberalism is similar to it, and different by far from the rest of the East Coast: witness that "I" after our newest senator's and proud PDA member's name, and the peculiar fact that our openly socialist senator has a *lower* rating than many self-described liberals on those liberal scorecards (which are really big-city-liberal scorecards, which mark down for pro-Second Amendment votes, and which ignore altogether a lot of important farm policy votes). I'm glad Westerner-at-heart me came to roost in the only East Coast state that feels like home.

[Doctor_J]

57. Exactly

And all of these DEMS should feel free to run for the nomination - heartland populists, DLCers, eastern liberals, and Pacific Northwesterners. Let's see if Al Sharpton and Jon Tester and Joe Biden can bond at the convention.

[SouthernBelle82]

21. Because he is only

crediting the conservatives and not those of us who aren't. We did a lot too by running candidates and supporting and voting.

[patrice]

26. And marching and standing on street corners with signs and talking

to anyone, and going to everyone's meetings, and phone-calling, and knocking on doors, and blogging, and giving money.

[American Jesus]

31. Nice strawman argument, but it's not the reality.

Schweitzer is a populist and his message plays well in Montana. Which is great, and how it should be. Hence Howard Dean's 50 state strategy. Whether Schweitzer can appeal nationwide is another story. Perhaps one day we'll find out. Right now though, I'd hope that he and Tester do all they can to build up the Democratic party in Montana. Obviously something there is working.

Barbara Boxer has stated that she is happy in the Senate, that she is needed in the Senate, and that she has no plans to seek other offices in the near future. And that's great, because her Liberal voice is indeed needed in the Senate.

General Clark has experience that he acquired in his previous NATO employment which could be an asset to a future Democratic administration, though I personally remain unconvinced that a candidate without political experience is going to win the Presidential race.

All these people have something valid to contribute. Corporate shills only have corporate money, and corporate money comes with corporate strings. We can do better than that, and we MUST do better.

[warrens]

17. Wow, that was cute

Glad to see you have an open mind. A lot of the people who won are a lot further to the right than Vilsack. So, "OUR" victory sounds pretty weird coming from you.

[American Jesus]

33. Of course I have an open mind.

I'm Jesus B-)

And please don't imply that I'm a Freeper ever again. I really don't want to have to break out the swarms of locusts and all that.

[oc2002]

22. Yes, so is AirAmerica a shill for the DLC.

Where do you think the get the funding?

[American Jesus]

32. No I wouldn't say "Air America" as a whole.

Sam Seder has openly stated several times he doesn't care for the DLC. I don't believe Randi Rhodes is any great fan of theirs. Those are the only two shows I listen to with any regularity out of the current lineup.

[oc2002]

40. true, but they have plants inside the works of AirAmerica.

some of them are there to keep an eye on it, that it is managed to not subvert its political and economic balance of the status quo that protects the ownership class.

[AnnInLa]

34. no cutting out

we truly are a big-tent party, with all kinds of Dems welcome.

Have loved his books, and he was the main force behind AA, which I have come to rely on. He used his celebrity for the Dem cause, and anyone who does that belongs in our party.

[NYCGirl]

35. His PAC also raised a million dollars for Amy Klobuchar, Sherrod Brown,

Nick Lampson and these others:

http://www.midwestvaluespac.org/

[oasis]

36. Did the DLC play a major or minor role in getting us a Democratic congress?

:shrug: Did American voters respond to a far right, centrist or left of center message?

[American Jesus]

38. Do you understand what "50 State Strategy" means?

Voters responded to individual candidates in their own states. Though obviously some issues are the same nationwide. Iraq. Ridiculous gas prices and their impact on the economy. Minimum wage. Lost jobs. etc.

Furthermore "centrist" does NOT equal DLC. Corporatist does.

[oasis]

42. "50 state strategy" means a strategy for winning, or at least being

competitive in 50 states.

Now, can I get an answer to the the questions I asked you?

[American Jesus]

44. I answered the question.

Jim Webb got elected. So did Sherrod Brown. Different states, different messages. Each one worked for their respective states.

The direction this country needs to go now, is totally away from the horrible crap that the DLC has brought us. We need to shred NAFTA and other such horrors, smack down the WalMarts of the world and restore living wage UNION jobs to millions of Americans. We need full legal equality for committed gay couples. And by that I mean that there is no difference between a "gay" marriage license and a "straight" marriage license. The issue of ceremonies is up to individual religious denominations to figure out for themselves. We need to get the Hell out of Iraq and stay the Hell out of other countries NOW AND FOREVER, with the exceptions of a true threat such as Hitler, which isn't likely to happen anymore. Securing this country from terrorism means port security, and not in the hands of the Saudi's or the Carlyle Group. And it definitely does NOT mean an imaginary war against a Phantom Menace. Antitrust laws need to be enforced and existing monopolies need to be broken up ESPECIALLY when it comes to media and oil companies.

Now is THAT a "far left", "moderate", or "conservative" agenda??

It's an American agenda. It's the one this country desperately needs to move forward. And it's one that the DLC would never endorse. Which is why they have to GO.

[oc2002]

39. minor. the DLC is all about selling out to K street lobbiests.

K Street Lawyers, special interests groups, foreign corporations intent on buy representation, i.e. favors in congress.

[oasis]

43. Major or minor, without them, we lose.(n/t)

[American Jesus]

48. Without them, we held the majority for 40 years.

With them, we got Bush & PNAC. And don't forget that there are plenty of DLC names on those PNAC letters.

The difference is obvious. We do NOT need them. We never did.

[oasis]

49. "plenty of DLC names on those PNAC letters"? Like who?

[American Jesus]

50. Here's a few just off the top of my Holy head

Will Marshall, Joe Biden, Bruce Jackson, Marshall Wittman, to name a few.

[Lurking Dem]

52. Joe Biden was not a PNAC signatory.

[oasis]

56. Someone saw Joe on a commuter train reading a copy of "Weekly Standard".

:eyes:

[NYCGirl]

54. Bruce Jackson is a Republican and not part of the DLC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Jackson

[NYCGirl]

41. How do you "fix" a caucus? NT

[WI_DEM]

46. Talk is he will run for Senate in MN in '08 against Coleman.

[Le Taz Hot]

53. Oh, the DLC already has

'em lined up: Kerry, Vilsick, Biden, Warner, Obama, Clinton, Clark, Edwards. They don't care who wins the nomination, just as long as it's one of "theirs" and Iowa will be oh so glad to aid in that endeavor. We're already hearing about how they're "electable." Just like Kerry was "electable" in 2004.

[Bake]

55. A note for Buddy Christ here ...

Your schtick as "American Jesus" isn't nearly as amusing as when we had "Jesus Christ" as a member here. Long-time DUers will remember Him fondly; He was warm, funny (freakin' HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!), insightful, and downright genuine! So unless you're His "second coming" (which I doubt), give it a rest and look up the original in the archives. The Real Thing wouldn't need to refer to someone as "VilSUCKASS."

Bake

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Tom Vilsack Has The Charisma Of A Plant.

He's running fourth in the Iowa caucus.

He's not a playa.

No use to get agitated over his quixotic candidacy.

[WA98296]

59. Out with ALL corporatists.