I hope my fellow DUers will do their best not to become freepers of the left

[BurtWorm]

who can only focus on that one-trick pony called impeachment.

Let John Conyers take the gavel first. See what develops in the committee as newly formed. It may be that there will be an irresistable movement toward investigation and all that implies. I think there probably will be, knowing what we know about the Bushists. But I think it would be an enormous waste of Conyers' abilities if he becomes another Henry Hyde or Dan Burton, an obsessed partisan hack who can only push for impeachment.

I trust in the organics of the process under these Dems. It's very tempting, after the fall of every dictatorship, to seek revenge. But I would rather this take the form of Nelson Mandela's Truth and Reconciliation commissions than what we're seeing in Iraq now. I think the process will work. I don't see the sense in forcing it.

[Greeby]

1. Of course not, we have better spelling skills

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[think4yourself]

3. OMG That IS HUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111 ! 11

[QC]

8. We are so screwn!!!1!!!1!!1 n/t

[meisje]

2. Yeah, that'll never happen here

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[BurtWorm]

4. You misspelled

:rofl: at the end there. ;)

[EstimatedProphet]

5. You have to be kidding me

You don't think impeachment is called for? Why are there so many people fighting the idea of impeachment? If we simply let things slide, we say publically that we don't care about what has happened the last 6 years. Bush has been the most corrupt president in the history of the nation. He has done more damage to the meaning and ideals of America than all of our enemies throughout history. If we simply turn our heads we validate everything he has done.

[BurtWorm]

9. Impeachment is cheap.

Didn't we learn anything in 1998?

If you want it to mean something, relax and let the process work organically.

People seem to think impeachment means something magical. It doesn't. It's just a show. What is vastly more important is the work that might lead up to it. The Watergate era is a much more instructive model for what should happen than the Whitewater era. Impeachment mad DUers have the wrong model in mind.

[EstimatedProphet]

10. OK, if what your talking about is a different method

of holding them responsible. If however, you're saying let's just work together in peace and harmony, and let byegones be byegones - fuck that. Bush is every bit as guilty of criminal behavior as Jeffery Dahmer.

[BurtWorm]

13. I would never say let bygones be bygones.

Not when talking about these shits. I just want them to get what's coming to them, and I'm not even so sure impeachment is a sharp enough weapon to deal them the justice they deserve.

[EstimatedProphet]

14. OK - I'll buy that

[theHandpuppet]

6. I really liked what Pelosi had to say earlier today

I'm paraphrasing here, but she said something to the effect that this was the not the time to seek revenge, but to look forward. We have a helluva lot of damage control to do after six years of Bush rule!

[BurtWorm]

12. The Republicans suffer from the hubris disease.

They think they are in total control of events, but then History has a way of turning around and severing their heads in its teeth.

I hope DUers will think back on the Clinton impeachment and how bone-headed that whole process was, precisely because the idiots presumed guilt before they even had a crime. Of course in Bush's case, there are crimes aplenty to pick from. But to start off shouting "Impeach! Impeach!" is a total disservice to the law we supposedly believe no person should be above. The law has to start with facts, carefully assembled, in support of a carefully constructed argument, and then we see where it leads. Maybe to Bush-Cheney's resignation before the big show. Maybe just to the merciful death of the Republican Party. Who knows? But we should let the facts lead where they will, unlike those fucking Republicans.

[byronius]

7. I trust John Conyers by now, lemme tell ya. Whatever he says.

Until he stops sounding like John Conyers, that is.

[Gelliebeans]

11. I agree.

As things unfold truth will come to light.

[Xenotime]

15. People must be punished for their crimes...

Anything less would be support for *.

[BurtWorm]

18. There has to be a return to the institutional presumption of innocence and due process

or Yooism will have won. Due process. All in due time.

[brentspeak]

16. Agreed. People have to understand from the start that they'll no impeachment

[Bunny]

17. Very wise words, BurtWorm.

K&R!

[BurtWorm]

19. Thank you, Bunny.

I appreciate it.

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