the MOST important thing the dems can do in the lame duck Senate session:

[Gabi Hayes]

FILIBUSTER something, like Gates' nomination

why?

cause the pugs are going to start filibustering their ASSES off, come January. just watch

and if we filibuster something before then, something they REALLY want, they'll invoke the nuclear option. if we don't filibuster, then, when THEY surely do, we won't have the precedent set to invoke said nuke option, and it'll be a very bad thing

if it's already been established, then FUCK them every time they try to do it.

dems really need to do this

thoughts?

[warrens]

1. I'd recommend talking to the reasonable repukes

Like Lugar. Make them partners, peel them away from the freakazoids. The "Hammer" and all the rest of their enforcers are gone, defeated, retired, fucked. Time for a dialog with the decent ones.

[unpossibles]

2. interesting strategy!

make them ruin their best defense before they even need it. Yet they would also see this coming, and the corporate media would make us look bad, even though they've done this for YEARS.

I still say good idea though.

[ShortnFiery]

5. Remember "the people" partially rejected the propaganda that

the corporate M$M was dishing out by voting Democrats into Congressional Control.

Stay TRUE to the American People - two years from now they will reward us. :-) :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

3. Gabi, excellent suggestion!

If we Filibuster and they pull out "The Nuclear Option" then, when we get control, all's fair. ;)

I don't think Gates should be Filibustered, i.e., I've changed my mind. Remember Gates is Poppy's NOT Cheney's boy. He's not a neo-conservative like Rummy was and IMO, should be confirmed.

The TWO measures Dear Leader wants the Lame Duck Congress to pass are 1) Confirming John Bolton; and 2) Passing the Domestic Surveillance Act. Either one of the above measures should be Filibustered, with extreme prejudice. :thumbsup:

[Gabi Hayes]

7. gates is a mendacious, treasonous skunk, reminiscent, heh, of poindexter.

both of them LIED their asses off during Iran/Contra, claiming not to remember loads and loads of stuff that would have gotten them, and their superiors, send to the slam

their memory lapses were VERY curious, since both were LEGENDARY for their photographic memories

[ShortnFiery]

10. Sure, he's all that, but he's NOT a neo-conservative.

Trust me, this nominee has Cheney pissed as hell. Junior called Poppy after KKKarl told him all is lost and George H W Bush bailed out his son once again.

There's no love lost between KKKarl and Poppy. Plus Dear Leader and Darth Cheney are so arrogant that they were beginning to believe their own propaganda.

Nope, if we KICK him, the TRUE President, Richard Cheney may nominate *A Neo-Conservative* that would make Gates seem like "a choir boy" in comparison.

Yes, Gates sucks but not near as bad as a Neo-Con. Plus we get the added viewing pleasure of watching the CIA pukes and thugs of Poppy's era and MINDSET (they're significantly more realistic and intelligent in Global Matters and Foreign Relations) against the bat shit crazy Neo-Conservatives hand selected by President Cheney. :shrug:

[Ignacio Upton]

4. Him and Bolton

We shouldn't be afraid of being called obstructionist, because we just won a friggin election! THe Republicans can't pull their "the President gets the right to pick his people" bullshit and expect it to work like it might have in 2005.

[David__77]

6. Democrats should demand no nominations until January.

That is reasonable.

[Swede Atlanta]

8. No Filibusters, no obstructionist behavior

Come on...after 12 years we will have control of both houses of Congress. I think we need to give the American people a reason for confidence and trust in us. We don't achieve that by appearing to be obstructionists just for the purpose of being difficult. We will not be rewarded by that in 2008.

I think we need to oppose nominees, etc. when there are valid reasons for doing so. But to oppose or filibuster just for that purpose is suicidal.

[Gabi Hayes]

9. see? thx to reprehensor

The Secret World of Robert Gates
By Robert Parry
Consortium News

Thursday 09 November 2006

Robert Gates, George W. Bush's choice to replace Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary, is a trusted figure within the Bush Family's inner circle, but there are lingering questions about whether Gates is a trustworthy public official.

The 63-year-old Gates has long faced accusations of collaborating with Islamic extremists in Iran, arming Saddam Hussein's dictatorship in Iraq, and politicizing U.S. intelligence to conform with the desires of policymakers - three key areas that relate to his future job.

Gates skated past some of these controversies during his 1991 confirmation hearings to be CIA director - and the current Bush administration is seeking to slip Gates through the congressional approval process again, this time by pressing for a quick confirmation by the end of the year, before the new Democratic-controlled Senate is seated.

If Bush's timetable is met, there will be no time for a serious investigation into Gates's past...

Continued...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/110906A.shtml

[Gabi Hayes]

11. just wait and see the kind of stuff Bush is going to try to push through

in the final session, starting with the NSA surveillance act

dems better NOT cave on this one, and they have two years to overcome the massive RW propaganda that will be directed at them for supporting terror by trying to stop illegal-made-legal domestic surveillance

that's just the first

just wait....