The great DU Debate - Should this African-American go to jail?

[The Straight Story]

Woman Bound To Chair During Home Invasion Robbery

(CBS13) ELK GROVE, Calif. An Elk Grove woman was forcefully bound to a chair Wednesday night, after three suspects invaded the victim's home searching for valuables . During the two hours that the suspects were inside the house, they ransacked the residence and came out with an undisclosed amount of money.

The first suspect is described as an African-American male, 25-years-old, 6'0", 180-pounds, short hair, wearing a black nylon jacket, black pants, and black tennis shoes.

http://cbs13.com/local/local_story_313203057.html

So Here we enter my narrative, speculative at best, total fiction at worst. But it is a springboard.

This guy wants to protect his family. They are faced with eviction, utilities being shut off, not enough food for the kids, and no medical care.

So he seeks out someone who has what he needs (oil/money). And he invades their home. In this case, no one was killed. In another case we all know of, thousands were killed.

He merely sought out a solution to a problem, to protect his small homeland/castle. To save the lives of all his family, he made a preemptive strike.


.....Yet

He has no political power. His going to jail won't make us fear we will lose a future election. It won't affect you at all. So off he goes to jail when captured. And one may simply say - rightly so.

There will be a lot of money spent finding this person, gathering evidence, and then bringing charges. His family will be ruined. Their lives devastated. But he made his choices, and he made the decision to do the wrong thing.

...Do YOU REALLY BELIEVE bush acted in a criminal way and murdered thousands of people for oil and money? And then enriched his friends with lucrative contracts, spreading the stolen money around?

Because THAT is the real issue. It is not about revenge, or how we look to others. It is about bringing a criminal to justice.

Feel free to give him and others a pass. Just make sure you open our prison doors while doing so. Unless it is only rich, powerful, white men who get to kill and rob and not have people looking for them to bring them to justice.

African-American and poor? You have no influence, so off to jail you go. You don't matter because we can win without you - but that rich white guy, well we might lose some votes if we look into his crimes and prosecute em. Tossing you to the wolves, see ya.

Seek to impeach? Not yet. Seek to find out if the laws were broken. And if they were, impeach. If we don't do that - we are giving a pass to anyone who wants something to just take it.

Or we can just go back to politics as usual, and run from confrontation and standing up for ALL people.

Same Shit, Different Day. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

We haven't really won, until we do something with the power entrusted to us to make this country a fair and level playing field for all people.

Or we can cower in the corners of history and live in fear of using the power given us to stand.

Go ahead bush, fill them caskets and your friends' coffers via crime. It's ok if you do it, we just want to win.

Flame away.

[Mythsaje]

1. We HAVE to look into all their crimes

and reveal them to the American People.

But we can't enter the whole affair with the STATED intention of impeaching the President. We have to "follow the evidence," (which we believe WILL provide us with what we need to impeach).

[hwmnbn]

2. Proper, meaning THOROUGH......

investigations. Let the drip drip of all the chimp's crimes keep coming out. Bring it out to the light so everyone in the world can see them.

The chimp can secret away his damning filoes in his presidential library, we can get evidence elsewhere.

There were crimes committed. Justice must prevail. end of story.

[Kiouni]

3. I like flame wars

and you have good points blame the system or the individual. But plenty of poor people in the past have put up great non-violent resistance and changed the system. Its hard but it can be done, have a sit in, write you congressmen, picket something or go on a hunger strike! their all alternatives then turning to crime against fellow humans that are probably in the same situation.

[The Straight Story]

4. Indeed - BOTH should be jail is the point.

bush did worse, yet some people are talking about letting him walk. But no one would even think of letting this guy walk.

[Kiouni]

6. so say that he is

impeached and jailed, then cheney has power right? can he just pardon him or does he not have time to do this before he too is jailed at which point you have to ask, would any following president leave the chimp in jail regardless of their party? In doing so they would effectively alienate 20% of americans (the ones that support chimpy-pooh) and move america from being moderates to extreme leftist. thoughts?

[The Straight Story]

9. Thoughts:

Who cares who gets power next, it is like going after a crime lord, you know someone else will take their place.

As far as moving people from one sphere to another - letting a criminal go free may well alienate many more folks and then they will see us as being no different than the repubs.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

This is not about a popularity contest, it is about justice for all - no matter who you are. No matter if people agree with us or them. Clinton was said to have lied under oath, and it was pursued. And what did it gain the repubs? 8 years in the WH. People don't like seeing the big dogs up the chain get away with something they wouldn't.

To me - it would energize people to our side. Worked for them then, would work for us now. Hold people all the way accountable. Anything less would make one complicit in their crimes.

[Blue_Tires]

5. i see your point

but sadly it has always been that way--look at the enron folks

[Kiouni]

7. silly, the governent won't

fake this guys death just to be a rap sheet.

[AutumnMist]

8. Yes My Dear He Should

because like Bush...he has no right to take what is ours. The community who stands together weathers the change...the community who tear each other down drown together in the same river of desperation. To tie our hands and then rob blindly? Its always wrong. Always. Lack of money can drive us to many things, to much money and power can do the same. The common thread with both sides? The lack of empathy or understanding of the fall out of what they are doing. They are not victims...they are broken. The reasoning of tyrants is no reasoning at all.

[EdwardM]

10. I don't care who the president is.

There is no excuse for breaking into a woman's house and assualting her. None.

[The Straight Story]

11. Ummmm I agree 100% with that

I just don't see why we treat the two differently. Crime is crime.

[EdwardM]

12. I never claimed you didn't agree.

Just answering the question of the topic. We can't catch every criminal, but we should make society safe from any criminals we catch. If we can convict memebers of the Bush adminstration of war crimes, then they should go to prison also. But we shouldn't allow violent offenders run scott clean just in protest of Bush being able to buy his way out.