Stop the WAR! then impeach.

[NoSheep]

[magellan]

1. Are the Dems incapable of doing more than one thing at a time?

[NoSheep]

5. I hope not! But I think saving lives is first. We've got that asshat by the balls

We have the evidence. We have the power. We can impeach...but it's only been three days. I'd be willing to bet some of them are deer in headlights. Save our people. Stop killing others. Impeach. All at once? Okay.

[magellan]

10. I agree saving lives is first

But if that's all they work on, the rest will be a long time coming. The Dems have clearly said that they want an orderly redeployment, not a sudden pullout, which implies a lengthy process unfortunately. Impeachment investigations (and a whole lot more) can be going on while that's happening.

[NoSheep]

14. Okay. I do not mean to imply that is all they should work on. I am only

suggesting it is the first order of business. I am a bit shocked that all these threads are so centered on revenge when we have the power now to change something that has really been abominable. I believe we must hold this admin accountable and we will. The evidence is there. But people are dying. We don't have to worry about impeachment as an urgency because we have power now. YES. IMPEACH...but the urgency is relieved by our ability to step in and make immediate changes.

[magellan]

29. It isn't revenge

It's the law. Constitutional law. Something too many of us have watched Bush** trample and ignore for too long. I don't want to see the Dems start doing the same just for political expediency. They can hold impeachment investigations without inhibiting their ability to do everything else they need/plan to do, including putting the brakes on things in Iraq.

I want to save the lives of our troops too. But I'd also like to hold accountable those responsible for the lies that have led to nearly 2900 soldiers' deaths.

[mmonk]

2. All sorts of angles in avoiding

what is required. People need to be held accountable. Strip him of members of his administration by impeaching all that are guilty in this (especially from the Vice President's office).

[NoSheep]

6. Look dammit. I want his ass on a stick, okay? But I want the war to stop first.

Everyone here is so intent upon revenge, they've forgotten what is most important.

[Webster Green]

12. Multi-tasking...

All these no impeachment threads are strange, if you ask me.

They are all based on the theory that only one issue at a time can be dealt with in the halls of congress, and that the voters will turn on the dems if we tell them the truth.

I don't get it.

[NoSheep]

15. THIS IS NOT a no impeachment thread, okay? Where are the STOP THE WAR

threads? That disgusts me on a very basic level.

[Webster Green]

24. I doubt anyone on this board is against stopping the war.

I still don't understand the concept of only being able to focus on one issue at a time.

That is why I suggested the term "multi-tasking". Surely you have heard the expression before?

Can you explain to me what I'm missing. I'm not trying to be a dick, or insult you.

I just don't get it.

[NoSheep]

26. I know you aren't being insulting. I just feel a lot of negative energy here

Check this out. How many folks do you know, who talk a lot of shit, but never get a damn thing done? Many of them are just angry and they remain angry because that is easier than looking for solutions.

We are in the eyes of the world. We are high profile here. I do not want to do the same, OR appear the same as the hate mongering assholes who were capable of the crimes we have witnessed from this administration.

I also have a very strong connection to the fact that people are dying while we hang out here and talk about revenge against the repukes. (which I desperately want as well)

I want to get their asses, and if we're smart enough to scratch our bellies while we pat our asses then that's great.

But I am dismayed by the fact that when I came here tonight, I did not see ONE DAMN THREAD about ideas on how to stop the violence. And that just makes me sick.

The urgency to impeach was germain to the fact that we had no power otherwise. Now that we do, we can stop the bleeding and YES, impeach at the same time if we can, but why is no one talking about stopping the war? Why is there no energy being given to that very urgent reality. It's like Darfour...Would you want to indict the criminals, or save the lives first?
It's the WAR, y'know?

[mmonk]

13. Not revenge. If you find protecting and defending the constitution trite

I really don't know what to say. Impeachment hearings won't get in the way of ending or continuing the war.

[NoSheep]

17. I'm not saying they WILL get in the way. I just want these smart people we have

here to start thinking about ending the war. We've been thinking about impeachment for YEARS!!! We have it in the bag. We can do it. But we have people dying, and I have not seen ONE DAMN THREAD HERE about thaT!

[mmonk]

20. I do agree its time.

Losing one more life isn't changing facts on the ground. They should quit any idea of dragging it out for political reasons.

[NoSheep]

21. We are all so angry. SOOOOO angry. But we can't lose sight of this death

that happens while we have the luxury to discuss in the comfort of our robes and slippers.

[NoSheep]

25. Thanks,

:hug:

[midnight]

3. Bring them home and then send them home.

[NoSheep]

7. AMEN!

[FyurFly]

4. Habeas Corpus must be restored! n/t

[NoSheep]

8. Absolutely. MAybe THAT is first.

[Mr_Spock]

9. Tell me about it

If the war was the voters #1 concern, let's get to it!

We can start the investigations while we focus on the war which is a full time job!

[FyurFly]

11. 2nd: Torture must be stopped now!

This is yet another dark period that we will have to write into history books akin to Native American genocide, Slavery, Japanese internment and segregation. This must stop NOW!

[Mr_Spock]

16. We have SO much work to do if you stop & think about it

I would love to have the time available to impeach the Prez, but let's undo some of his crazy shit first.

[NoSheep]

19. Exactly.

[NoSheep]

18. THAT is ALL I am trying to say.

Impeachment would be fabulous and I want it bad. i hope it will happen. We cannot give these bastards a pass. But dammit. This war has to end and we need to be thinking about THAT first

[lapfog_1]

22. How do you propose the Congress do that?

Pass a resolution? The chimp would simply veto any law passed that doesn't match his dark dreams.

The only thing Congress and do is to defund the military... sort of like the government shutdown that Newt did. That's no path.

If W does not withdraw the troops, we must impeach him and Cheney and install Pelosi as President.

[NoSheep]

23. That's a start! I just feel this is our first priority. I'm not saying we shouldn't impeach. I want

the assholes UNDER that jail. We just need to work on a strategy for saving those lives (they are dying while we type)and developing a political, not a violent, solution out of there. I'm just blown away that revenge is the center of all this energy as opposed to peace first. Even mentioning peace makes people assume I'm not serious about wanting to prosecute the thieves and murderers in this administration

[lapfog_1]

27. I got news for you...

if the Dems don't pass military funding in an attempt to get Chimp to listen to reason... well, we'll be toast. He is such a sociopath that he would leave them there, in Iraq, with no replacement guns or ammo or amour... and there would be a huge slaughter of American soldiers. He would do it to make a political point... and the MSM propaganda machine would make sure that 80 percent of Americans would hate all Dems... to the point that recall elections would be initiated wherever it would be feasible. And after he gets Congress back, they would pass the spending bill anyway, and then they would FOR REAL make being a card carrying Democrat a crime (enemy combatant). Trust me.

We can't stop W's war as long as W is pretzeldent. Period. We can only hope that those around him (who will look to the future of the Repuke party) will influence him to withdraw. Or we can impeach him and Cheney both. Those are pretty much all of our options.

[NoSheep]

28. That is certainly something to consider. You are right. he is a sociopath.

I may have been stunned here by just that fact. My response about war first then impeach was to the people on this board who clearly would rather argue than come up with a good idea about anything.

But you may very well be right. I think Pelosi is smart, but maybe we should do for them what you've just done here for me....remind them of what sick fucks they are dealing with.