Impeachment myths

[BlueStater]

1. "Impeachment would hurt us in 2008"

I see nothing to support this opinion. Polls indicate a majority of Americans would like to see Bush impeached if he lied about Iraq. If investigations reveal, like I think they will, what a corrupt and evil bastard Dubya really is then any candidate who has defended him and his decisions in the past (*cough* McCain *cough*) will find themselves in big political trouble.

2. "The Republicans won't impeach Bush"

If investigations reveal damning, irrefutable evidence they most certainly will. It would be political suicide to protect a criminal president from justice.

[TahitiNut]

1. I strongly suspect that those who claim ...

... "Impeachment would hurt US in 2008" aren't worrying about "us" (Democrats, liberals, and citizens) as much as they're worried about another 'interest' group. No party, including the Republicans in their specious inquisition of Clinton, suffered any backlash from voters for doing so. Ever. To invent such a baseless 'concern' is a hallmark of today's "concern trolls."

The Democratic Party picked up forty nine seats in the House in the next election after initiating impeachment proceedings against Nixon. The Republicans were NOT punished by the voters at the polls for their abominable inquisition of Clinton - THEY GOT THE PRESIDENCY!

If anything, impeachment should be used MORE.

[Laelth]

2. Once again, nicely said!

:applause:

n/t

-Laelth

[TahitiNut]

6. Thanks. Here's a chart of Democratic seats in the House ...

CAVEAT: I am NOT a big fan of the Clinton/Gore administration. I believe working people were harmed by the economic policies. "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" is an abomination. (I served with gays!) I am NOT a 'Democrat.' I am a (dedicated) independent liberal who abhors partisanship - and it's core: blind partisanship. As an independent, I would be much less likely to support any politician who does NOT pursue impeachment and indictment of this administration for their crimes against the constitution, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. Unwarranted invasions and occupations against two sovereign nations, torture, habeas corpus, wiretapping, lying about a causis belli, ... the list is enough to impeach FIVE presidents!

[McKenzie]

9. I am with you 100% on this issue of blind partisanship TahitiNut

I am watching the debate on DU over impeachment, or not, as the case may be.

The issues need to be thought through as regards strategy; that seems sensible and I posted yesterday to agreee that investigations might be the best approach rather than a bull in a china shop headlong attack. I will maintain that position if it can be clearly demonstrated that impeachment without a lead in of careful investigations will simply not work. Equally, I will change my opinion if evidence to the contrary emerges. Avoid blind partisanship and all that - think for ourselves rather than abdicate our responsibility to ourselves by letting others do our thinking for us.

If Bush, Cheney et al get away with their crimes though it will be clear that democracy in the US is an illusion. So the question is...how and when will the investigations begin?

[mom cat]

3. And we have seen what happens by soft peddling the crimes

of the Iran Contra cabal. We are still plagued by the likes of Negroponte and now Gates. The people have given the Dems the power to really clean up this mess. If the officials blow this mandate, they will be next on the pink slip list!

[BlueCaliDem]

10. Yep. "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Aristocrat". The old French peasants...

...understood this like no other, and the French Revolution ensued, and wiped away the Aristocratic filth just like the first Americans understood Great Britain would never willingly leave us alone, so we had our own Revolution...

Now, the Aristocrats are back in power, like cockroaches, they keep coming back.

If the Dems do everything to stop Rep. Conyers from doing what he promised we would do, I'm going Green next time too---or even Libertarian IF the rumor is true that the Republicans are "behind" the Green Party.

I would feel betrayed by those we entrusted to watch over us; our party, and our leadership, and like the Republicans who were disgusted with their borrow and spend Bush Party, they either voted straight Democratic, or abstained from voting just to punish them.

[mom cat]

15. I agree. However, I think we should make a full court press to let them know

our position and remind them just how quickly they will lose the majority if they do now vigorously deal with the crooks! ... And that includes Gates and any of the devious crooks fron Iran Contra. We need to block that nomination!

[Old and In the Way]

4. Republicans did lose a few seats in 98......but that's because people

saw that trumped up Inquisition for what it was...a cheap partisan power grab. The American people understand the differences between legitimate investigations that expose the truth and rank hypocrisy.

[TahitiNut]

7. Five seats in the House was a small price to pay for the Presidency

They kept control of the House, too.

[Swamp Rat]

5. IMPEACH CONCERN TROLLS TOO!!!

:D

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[Ravy]

8. Look at the 1998 midterm elections.

1) Only the second time in history that the president's party has gained power in a midterm.

2) If there hasn't been enough damning evidence right on the front page of the NYT for them, then nothing else will convince them.

3) Look at Oliver North. The Iran-Contra hearings kept him out of jail. I would much rather see Bush lame and humiliated, and *continue* to be ignored. I sure as hell don't want Cheney to be president. He won't be able to get away with much now, and fixing the damage he has done will be a full time job for the legislatures.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

11. what a crock...

'Corporism '.... and your leverage


Unfortunately, we didn't have access to the 'real math', because we(individual voters), cannot throw $$$$$ millions or billions $$$$ at our targets.

Take a look at what these assholes propagate. All the obfuscation and intentional alienation serves to divide and conquer. Divided we stand, because they have campaigned to break our trust. We are in limbo... or so they conceptualize.

Our only, and I truly mean ONLY, deliverance from the hell created by voter apathy, and their preying upon human nature, is to not be a statistically, predictable, entity. So think radically, act rationally, and let's surprise 'our gov't' with a duplicitous personality. One that actually benefits the people that holds democracy sacred.

Stop pissing in your bed.

[left is right]

12. Somewhere (and I don't remember where) someone

wrote that the impeachment of Clinton had much to do with discrediting the concept of impeachment as a tool for presidential accountability. I think that person may have been partially correct. While I would gladly welcome a * impeachment, I think the call for it is a bit premature. First use the subpoena power that we just gained, next investigate--leave no slimy rock unturned. Then broadcast findings and build a consensus among the citizenry that impeachment is the only right thing to do and the repukes will have to go along with it--in fact, if done right they will be clamoring for it.