Rahm and Schumer on MTP -- investigations will not lead to impeachment "NO MATTER WHAT"

[Leopolds Ghost]

"And that's a promise"

"We will have investigations, we need oversight moving forward.
But I assure you they will not lead to impeachment"

[Mythsaje]

1. Uh-huh...

Wait until the people start screaming for it. Not just us. Everybody.

If things go the way I suspect they might, that's exactly what'll happen.

[Rainscents]

2. I think that might be what dems are wanting it to happened.

They want public out cry after the investigation. Pretty smart of them!

[Mythsaje]

6. That's how *I* would put it together.

"Well, we weren't PLANNING on it, but since the people insist." :evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Exactly so start writing them emails

and letters to the papers

[Mythsaje]

25. I've been trying to track down e-mails, actually.

And I've gone with a slightly different tack with LTTEs.

[LiberalPartisan]

13. Never gonna happen

While it may be deserved I don't see a public outcry for the impeachment of Bush ever happening. Frankly I think that window of opportunity is closed. It might have happened after the 9-11 commission findings had the dems. controlled the Congress but it's too late now. Besides, when all is said and done, after the hearings and investigations, if enough evidence exists to impeach what good will it do - it will be about a week before the guy is set to leave office.


All the talk of impeachement is a waste of energy and distracts from the real job at hand - patching up the country after 12 years of republican neglect.

[Mythsaje]

19. I'd personally rather see the whole ideology be exposed

for what it is...pure nonsense.

But people are right when they call him a war criminal. Him and his whole cabal. And I can't really fault them for wanting to see him impeach. I'm not sure how practical it is, but I get it.

And I'm not sure it won't happen that way. If certain things come to light re: this war and how we ended up in it, and how they've been played for the last several years, the people might yet demand it.

Otherwise there's always the chance someone will "expedite" his ass to Europe to face charges after he's out of office.

I just think all this immediate talk of impeachment is putting the cart before the horse and counter-productive.

[Bluebear]

3. So. If crimes were committed, NO impeachment?

Hokay.

[Rainscents]

5. They'll impeach the fucker when public out cry start...

[Guaranteed]

18. Crimes WERE committed- WE KNOW THIS.

Why are we acting like we don't know?

[Mythsaje]

20. We know.

But what we know and what we can PROVE are two very different things.

Without a smoking gun, we sound like a bunch of partisan fanatics just trying to get revenge for Clinton. And that's how they'll paint it, and use that to prop up their twisted ideology yet again.

[Guaranteed]

21. We have proof- tons of it, including the Downing Street Memo.

We spent the last three years following all of the leaked documents and whatnot. Everyone knows about the signing statements, Bush breaking the law constantly. They called us crazy anyway. What will change if we investigate and THEN call for impeachment?

We ought to investigate, because we need to know the whole truth, and we can always use more proof. It wouldn't hurt to tie his hands a bit for the last two years, either. But we already know what he did, in a general sense.

[Mythsaje]

23. Yeah, but it's not just HIM or his immediate cabal

we can drag into it. It's a complicit Republican Congress too. And those are the bastards I don't want to see scapegoat him and escape the repercussions. I want to see the puppet and his prop department go down, but I also want to see the enablers pay for their crimes too.

I want to see a stake shoved into the chest of the whole neocon movement. I want to see the Republican Party run screaming from anything that even smacks of the neocons or the religious right. Just getting Bushco isn't going to do it.

[AntiFascist]

4. WTF??

Basically they're saying, "no matter how corrupt he turns out to be, there will not be impeachment." What's this all about? Have they been made an offer they can't refuse?

[shadowknows69]

8. Someone want to tell me what we won?

Bushie will continue on being a little sigining statement dictator. Now that we've put his mind at ease and all. Independent party still have any openings?

[Fridays Child]

7. Way to listen to the voters, Schumer.

Don't be an idiot and go shooting off your mouth when it probably DOES NOT reflect the will of those who've voted you and your Democratic colleagues into office.

[JCMach1]

10. Excatly... let the investigations decide if their were high crimes

and misdemeanors

[BlueStater]

9. What an utterly stupid thing to say

So if we find out that the little idiot has committed impeachable offenses you're still not going to impeach him? You're going to completely disregard the oath you took when first sworn into office? Is that what I'm getting at?

[McKenzie]

11. that's like a judge saying we might find you guilty but won't convict you n/t

[lvx35]

28. Or the police negotiator...

saying "if you let the hostages go we won't arrest you" (they still will). At least that's my hope, but I don't trust these guys much, based on what I've been reading around here.

[sweetheart]

12. Wall street likes a war

Wall street is schumer, it likes big mergers and consolidated wealth, it IS the
military industrial complex behind the war, the one that has taken the free gift
of trillions in war taxes uncollected as of yet, swallowed his fat dinner, the
fat cat sleeps comfortably in the status quo.

[whirlygigspin]

14. but they didn't say anything about investigating Cheyney's oil meetings

maybe the government could seize their oil stocks, kbr et al
just like they did with grandpa Prescott, for war profiteering

--just a thought

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Here is the big secret of DC Politics

after the Clinton affair they are skittish, since the GOP actually lost seats after that mess

So... here is your job and mine... we need to convince them that they CAN spend that poltiical capital without having the voters turn on them

Reality is, as much as we all hate to say it that

1.- There are other priorities right now

2.- Impeachment IS a political act, very much so.

3.- Study your history... after Nixon went bu-bye, they lost no seats, in fact they gained some, why the people wanted it. After Clinton was impeached... welll the GOP lost seats because they did something that went against the wishes of the American People

What does this mean? WRITE to your congress critters, writer to your paper, call shows... PROVE that we want it and that they can do it, in fact they are epxected to

But in the cold analysis... I think once the investigations get rolling it will not be the "base" demanding it, but a hue and cry of the American people

[Rageneau]

16. We're a Grand Jury and we will investigate, but we will not indict, no matter what we find.

Dereliction of duty, if you ask me. Investigating and, if necessary, impeaching the President is not a choice, it is a Constitutional DUTY!!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. That means that the Congress is willing to aid and abet a mass murderer.

Lovely..............

[American Jesus]

24. Why does anybody still believe these DLC/AIPAC assholes represent US??

It might be harder to take them down than it was the Republicans but it is every bit as neccessary, if not more so.

[OneBlueSky]

26. by the time impeachment proceedings run their course . . .

their terms will pretty much be over anyhow . . . so even if successful, all we'll accomplish is removing them from office for, what, a month or two? . . .

impeachment is not about justice . . . it results in no jail time, no fines, nothing but removal from office . . . and they'll be leaving anyway, so why bother? . . .

better to build the case and bring them before the appropriate U.S. and international courts after they leave office . . . where they can be tried, convicted, and punished . . .

and spend the next two years proving to the American people that Democrats are capable of governing . . .

[Disturbed]

27. "Justice delayed is Justice denied."

It is the sworn duty of our Representatives to uphold the Constitution of the United States. A promise not to Impeach no matter what is a violation of that oath. Justice must be served.