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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:15 PM Original message |
We won in '06 because we won the center |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. We won because people were angry at the Bush agenda. |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I disagree... look at the closeness of some of these races... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Harold Ford ran as a conservative and lost. |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. Ford wasn't convincing, and they CRUCIFIED Tammy |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. When Tammy was attacked personally |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. Precisely |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Virginia could very well be a swing state in 08' |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. You make good points. |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. That's the key |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. Responses |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Populism works in tennessee |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. You're right! |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. IMO, those votes would have made up the 3% difference |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Agree |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. And not Democratic votes either |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I believe it was Malloy who said, |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yep - it's the old "devil you know" mantra that people stick to |
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Bernardo de La Paz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. Webb ran as a conservative and won the Senate for us. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. I agree we won because of unrest over the war and Bush |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. I Don't Know What A Progressive Agenda Is... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. that number doesn't mean much. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Independant doesn't necessarily mean "moderate" |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Good point. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. We won the independents, not the center |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Then Why Does 45% Of The Electorate Define Themselves As Moderate? |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Because "moderate" is a feel good word that not many want to reject |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. A majority of the public hold liberal positions on issues. |
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SwingVoter2006 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Can you be specific? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. 1st, the environment |
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SwingVoter2006 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. Moderate = not beholden to the extremes of the spectrum! |
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Bernardo de La Paz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
73. The Independents are the center or are orthogonal (Libertarian) |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. That's true but by and large I think many indepenents are |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. Most independants are Libertarians? |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. A third of Evangelicals voted Dem. They aren't center n/t |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Dean said that on Daily Show. Would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see the poll that info |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. The Electorate Is 21% Liberal 35% Conservative And 42% Moderate |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. I'm at work and can't really get involved in a big search now, but... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. And will we keep them in '08? nobody's is saying we shouldn't |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. 71%-24%-4% |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. That isn't up much from past years. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. There is no "center." So how do we pursue a strong progressive agenda... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. ok, good points, not the center but swing voters. |
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Bernardo de La Paz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
74. Saying "there is no center" is Rovian doom-think. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree with Atrios - I just don't know what that *means*.... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. See post #5. Lakoff says we should speak to the so-called "center"... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. With a populist message |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Indeed and what is so radical about that? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Who said it was? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I think I agree with you here. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Yes |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. If it was indeed the center then why did Chafee lose? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. But RI is the most democratic state in the country and Bush had |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. I think you're just not giving the Dem campaign enough credit is all. |
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Actionman (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
14. we won because people weren't as scared... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. expose the credit card bill |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. Exactly. You win if your message appeals to both the center and the left |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. We were the liberals AND the conservatives AND the libertarians |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
28. We won because we were the pretty blond in the room... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. In effect they defeated themselves |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
30. It was a repudiation of the republican party by the center |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
34. That's only one factor in our winning, so the statement is false. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
38. I agree. |
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WA98296 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
40. Tell that to Harold Ford. Progressives won the day. Centerists ARE radical. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Exactly |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. We won because Dean exploited the implosion of the GOP. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Ok--I agree. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Dean is the new Rove |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
49. ModerateProgressive could be a non-issue for now if we just |
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SwingVoter2006 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. Thanks, WI_DEM! |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Ending the war in Iraq is certainly of vital importance.... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. IA I would say the only mandate is to do things like |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. By creating and supporting legislation |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
59. The center is one reason. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
64. Yes, WE won the Center. |
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DemCam (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I agree |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
75. No, the repukes LOST the center; we can't count on that happening |
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not_a_robot (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-10-06 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
77. The only people |
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