Busy busy Carville.... Dean out, Harold Ford in at the DNC ?

[madfloridian]

A PUTSCH AT THE DNC?:
Some big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities.

The candidate being floated to replace Dean? Harold Ford.

Says James Carville, one of the anti-Deaniacs, "Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day. Now probably Harold Ford wants to stay in Tennessee. I just appointed myself his campaign manager."

--Ryan Lizza
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=56467:mad

[rodeodance]

1. oh for pete's sake!

[janx]

2. "Some big-name Democrats"

Carville.

:rofl:

[madfloridian]

Carville Carville Carville

:rofl:

[cali]

5. Carville is a mouthpiece for others . Duh. n/t

[marylanddem]

3. And Carville is married to whom?

enough said.

[cobaindrain]

9. his allegiance is to us though

just because you're married to a conservative doesn't make you a "double agent" of sorts. Carville is a brilliant political strategist.

[marylanddem]

18. Sorry - he's a clownish asshat.

[Mythsaje]

19. Sure he is...

He wants to replace Dean?

That's as brilliant as the vast empty blackness inside of Shrub's skull.

[janx]

21. He's a paid media talking head

who is married to a woman who worked for Dick Cheney. He is neither brilliant nor honest.

[Demoiselle]

24. Never have understood that.

I couldn't marry somebody with Mary Matalin's politics, even if he looked, talked and smelled like Paul Newman.
Makes me suspect it's all a game for Jimmyi and Mary and their hearts aren't really in it, just their bank accounts.
Grrr.

[janx]

30. That's exactly what it is and has been.

$$$$$$$$

[ashling]

47. Thats what I always said

I always thought that hey must have the new Conscience Number Bed. In order to be able to sleep at night they have to turn their conscience way down.

[WinkyDink]

54. That would be "was".

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Carville's wife wants us to lose next time.

[PassingFair]

6. Is this a *ucking JOKE?

Loser Ford?

Virtually INDISTINGUISHABLE from the REPUBLICAN?

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Harold Ford? Carville can die in a pit of fire.

Dean's 50 state strategy has to get SOME CREDIT for the victory. What kind of bullshit is it for that hideous gnome Carville to drop this turd in the victory party punchbowl?

The DNC chairman, by tradition, takes a hike when we LOSE not when we WIN BIGTIME.

Oh, and incase it wasn't obvious: fuck Carville and his hideous repugnant operative wife Matlin. They can go away now.

[lovuian]

68. Carville is trying to get control of the election

Dean outsmarted them...and they know it

[NoodleyAppendage]

8. Never trust a man married to a haggard Repuke witch.

Carville can kiss my ass. DEAN KICKED ASS. Carville's just jealous that he hasn't had any significant election consultation victories since Big Dog.

J

[TayTay]

10. If this happens, I will never donate another dime to the DNC

Not one thin dime.

[Growler]

44. I'm with you...

I just this minute donated $75 to the DNC (I was hoping there would be a "Comment" box wherein I could put "Thanks Howard!") but the money stops if they replace Howard.

[Tommymac]

46. Add a penny to it - that is the signal that you support Dean

.01

[BattyDem]

11. "stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy"

Has he finally f*cking lost it?? Hey asshole ... that commitment was a big part of why the Democrats were able to compete for many of those seats - and win - for the first time in years! McAuliffe and the rest of the DLC Dems gave up on competing in at least half the country a long time ago ... and we all know how well THAT strategy worked! :eyes:

[hedgehog]

20. McAulliffe didn't even bother getting a candidate to run in his

home town of Syracuse in 2004!!!!!

[stepnw1f]

12. Here We Go.....

DLC dems destroying the dems from the inside.

[SoCalDem]

13. WTF???

Good grief.. does anyone still listen to Carville?

Mr LooseLips himself

[SharonAnn]

14. Let's see, historic fund-raising, House and Senate majorities, we don't want

more of that? Rejuvenating the Democratic Party in the "red" states, bringing out Democratic candidates at all levels and winning governorships, state senate seats, state representative seats, local offices - we don't want more of that?

A rejuvenated party, full of enthusiasm and hope for the future, formerly passive Democrats energized to contribute money and skills - we don't want more of that?

WTF?

Carville, I don't want to go back to your loser strategy. I have great respect for Harold Ford and want him to have a meaningful role, but not be "replacing" Howard Dean. If you punish the winners and reward the losers, it sends a message. A message that we should not support the party. You don't really mean that, do you?

[hedgehog]

37. Just out of curiousity, why do you respect Harold Ford?

I saw how Croker ran a dirty campaign against him, but Ford didn't strike me as an outstanding candidate in the first place. Seriously, is he really someone we'd go to the mattresses for? I'm ready to be educated if you have something good to say about the man.

[Clark2008]

56. Because he's smart and principaled.

Most liberals don't agree with him, but he's not a hypocrite and he doesn't lie.

He also got 48 percent of the vote in Tennessee - quite an accomplishment for a black man in a purple state (nooo... we're not solid red. Dems are the majority in our state government).

[hedgehog]

15. I thought this was a joke when I read it.

Is there some sort of sarcasm I'm missing here?

BTW - didn't Carville give some information to Matlin that ended up in Rove's hands? Why is this guy still allowed to hang around?

[ShaneGR]

16. Ermmm, the DNC doesn't just do Federal....

They do Statewide offices like governor's races, statehouses, etc. Did he really say this stuff?

[Demoiselle]

17. WHAT?!!!? Besides Carville, who are these "big name Democrats?!!!

The only reason Ford got as close as he did in Tennessee was because the good doctor insisted on a fifty state campaign.
I never thought we'd pick up Missouri, Montana and VIRGINIA this year, Jimmy. And please please name the pickups we missed and PROVE it
was Howard's fault.

Sheeesh.
(I've always really liked Howard Dean, can you tell?)

[mmonk]

22. My suggestion is that we attempt to nip this K street

military industrial complex democratic party movement in the bud and soon and save this party for traditional and liberal democratic inclusion. Otherwise, the two party system is going to look like two competing parties of the same movement.

[robinlynne]

35. I second!

We now need to be just as vigilant as we were last week. (unfortunately) pigs are pigs (my apologies to pigs, who are actually very smart) no matter what party they belong to.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Losers promoting losers gets us where? Some small name Democrats

want to keep Dean right where he is doing what he's been doing - winning for the Dems.

Nobody elected Carville. But he gets paid by someone (who?) to keep opening his mouth.


Carvill accuses Dean of being too stingy with money. Does that mean James can no longer get consultant jobs with the DNC?

Aww, poor James.

[Burma Jones]

25. Carville is a big part of the problem

He and his spouse make a huge living getting everyone to spit on each other.

If the good Dr. Dean wants to stay, he stays. If he wants to explore "other possibilities" all I can say is that I'm behind him.

[Strelnikov_]

26. From The Guy That Brought 12 Year MINORITY Status n/t

[Tommymac]

27. If they replace Dr. Dean...my monthly contribution stops too.

I'll continue to support my local Democratic party...but no more money for the national organization.

[On the Road]

28. I Am Absolutely Flabbergasted

that Carville would make such a suggestion.

[Coexist]

29. fuck you, Mr. Carville.

[Nite Owl]

31. The DLC strategy of appeasing the

right lost us how many races over the past decade? Ford may be ok for TN but it was the Northeast dems that picked up the seats not the South. Ousting Dean could lose them their base.

[Epiphany4z]

32. wow that is just crazy

I have no doubt that Dean was not the only reason so many voted our way but he was one of the big drops in that bucket I really believe we would have never taken the senate without the 50 state thing. Good lord I hope nobody is actually listening. Ford didn't come close to Dean...for one thing he jumped on the Kerry should apologize thing...that whole ball of fake outrage on the write should have been called what was by everyone on the left.........fake and just ridiculous

[Clark2008]

33. Um, James, I'm in Tennessee and I don't want Ford to be

chair of the DNC. I want him to be my next governor or challenge Lamar in the 2008 senate race.

You need to understand that Rahm's picks didn't fare so well - we won because Dean funded states you thought were lost causes, like, oh, Virginia, Tennessee (which didn't win, but still got 48 percent to vote for a black man for senate), Montana and Missouri.

[EstimatedProphet]

34. This is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard

In short, what this is saying is 'Dean's strategy worked, so let's get rid of it and find something less successful.'

Didn't the strategy WORK, better than our wildest dreams? Did we not just take both the House AND the Senate? Did anyone anywhere honestly believe that would happen on Monday night, or that we would completely sweep the elections? And THIS is a failure?!?

[Gold Metal Flake]

36. Corporatists will NOT die easy.

Steady the stake, drive it deep.

[madfloridian]

38. This will get Carville lots of air time..

Just watch.

[Justitia]

39. Someone put a stake in that LOSER and be done with it already!

Thanks for the 12 years of wandering in the desert you slimy bastard!

[skooooo]

40. How can we speak up against this?

[AtomicKitten]

41. so very DU

Start with hating James Carville.
Pick out a random quote staring with "suppose..."
Eviscerate him.

So much whining, plenty of bandwidth.

Not giving a crap about this gossipy minutia ... DEMS TOOK BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS - WOO-HOO!!!!!

[madfloridian]

48. So very Kos and other sites.

So very very very.

[AtomicKitten]

51. Have you ever had an original thought of your own?

Or do you just use other people's opinions as cover?

[John Q. Citizen]

57. Carville attacked Dean, not the other way around, friend. Carville might

be your kind of Democrat, but he's been losing for so long I think he may have lost his mind.

Nobody on this site picked this fight, Carville did it all by his lonesome.

Dean delivered, Carville whined.

[AtomicKitten]

58. pile on

The fact that I don't participate in pile-ons is not indicative of side-taking; in fact, quite the opposite. But if you feel it augments some argument you feel you need to make to assign that position to me, you go right ahead. My uncompromising support for Howard Dean as DNC chair is on the record here at DU.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled pile-on. I, for one, am still basking in the victory the Dems had this past Tuesday, a victory delivered by Dean and Emanuel, those that pitched in, and the voters.

[John Q. Citizen]

59. The point is, why is Carville bashing Dean, instead of basking in the victory?

[AtomicKitten]

60. back to MY original point

Carville's comment didn't mention Dean. Carville's comment began with "suppose ..." Carville likes Harold Ford; Carville is just one of those centrist/DLC kind of guys. People are entitled to prefer some Dems over others. Murtha was Pelosi's campaign manager when she became House leader in 2002, later he intended to run against her for House Speaker. It's a big clubhouse where people jostle positions, a big family where vicissitudes create alternating alliances and grudge matches, ever-changing, the constant being family is family. I prefer to observe dispassionately; that is my prerogative. If you choose to get emotionally involved, takes sides and pile on, that's yours.

[madfloridian]

62. You told me you would do this stuff.

And I did not believe you. I will do what I should have done ages ago.

[ReadTomPaine]

42. Par for the course. But remember, if you criticism him, you're divisive. n/t

[Justitia]

43. TWENTY EIGHT Democratic Governors, not a SINGLE Dem seat lost. Yeah, that sucks!

And that's before we even get to the big races. And never mind all the down-ballot races.

Carville is a poison pill who calls himself a "Democrat".

What a transparent LIAR.

[napi21]

45. Had the Dem Party listened to the DLC,we would NOT be the majority today!

Howard started the 50 State program almost 2 years ago. If he hadn't done that, we wouldn't have even had any candidates in a lot of the States we WON!

Carville is trying to save his own A.. with this BS.

If he tried to oust Dean, he'd be starting america's next revolution!

[Individualist]

49. The damn DLC never has liked Dean

or any other progressive. Screw 'em! In case asshole Carville didn't notice, FORD LOST!

[tnlefty]

67. Sshhh...don't remind him of that.

In his delusional world he probably thinks that Ford won.

[bigwillq]

50. I don't think that's a good idea.

Dean is doing a fantastic job.

I agree, Harold deserves a job someplace but not as head of the DNC.

[Firespirit]

52. The Hillary wing is trying to strongarm their way to power

They think (mistakenly, I should add) that they've taken out John Kerry, one strong leader of the people's wing of the party who supported these "long shot" races (according to the DLC) early on and helped make them competitive. Now they're out to get Dean. This is ALL about Hillary, and it disgusts me that -- instead of singing her praises -- they're just trying to destroy everyone who stands in her way.

Kerry supporters, Dean supporters, probably others (Edwards, etc.)... we're all friends now, because we all have targets painted on our backs by these people.

[WinkyDink]

53. Because clearly Harold Ford is a SUCCESS. Except NOT.

Carville has ZEEEro influence now. TV doesn't count!

[buddysmellgood]

55. How to Destroy a Victory, by James Carville, eom

[grmamo]

61. Oh how true, but he has company....the rest of the DLC

[rockymountaindem]

63. Uh huh... and how many did it gain us?

Who here thinks we would have been competative in Idaho and Wyoming without the 50 state strategy? Carville is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Don't argue with success, build on it.

[stepnw1f]

64. I am Sending this to other Dems

This shit has got to be snuffed out right away!

[goforit]

65. His TRUE Colors!!!!..........Pro Bush all the way!

[lovuian]

66. DEAN did an OUTSTANDING JOB Dems won both houses

why would we get rid of him???

Isn't anybody who asks to get rid of him for Republicans???

Isn't that what Republicans would want

Carville is a traitor...be careful here...

[DemBones DemBones]

69. Carville's been literally sleeping with the enemy for too many years.

Time for him to go back to the bayou and leave Dean alone to run the DNC. I did not support Dean as a presidential candidate but he's done a good job as DNC chair and should stay on.

It's too bad Harold Ford lost his race but so many Dems won that no one should be criticizing Dean's leadership (I'm talking to you, too, Rahm.)

Harold, don't be a dope and let Carville mangle your next campaign.

[Hidden Stillness]

70. They're So Unhappy--We Didn't Lose, God Damn It!

The "D"LC types are all discombobulated: We won, it didn't get fucked up, we didn't lose right at the end, there are no "I don't know what went wrong" speeches...They are very uncomfortable in this atmosphere, and don't know what to do. All they know how to do is slit the throats of Democrats on behalf of "their Republican friends," and so here they are. Bye, bye, "D"LC--the New Deal is back again, I pray to God.