Only Rep. Pres. that Democrats Turned Out of Office was NOT impeached.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

The way to get at Bush and the Republicans is to hold meaningful hearings that expose the corruption, criminal negligence and criminal venality. Force him and Cheney and others to resign.

Remember, the only President that the Democratic party forced out of office was Nixon who resigned after hearings chaired by Senator Sam Ervin. So much evidence of Nixon's criminal actions was exposed that Republican leaders became convinced that there was not enough support to stop conviction in the Senate after looming impeachment. They went to him and told him to go.

Don't start with impeachment. Impeachment is the last resort. History has not treated the Republicans kindly for their impeachment of Clinton. Not only did they not have a case, but they didn't build it properly in advance (because it wasn't real, of course). With Bush, a case can be built, but don't get the order wrong.

Investigate, expose, and make the case so obvious that Bush-Cheney-Baker-Bush cave in the face of public opinion. It will be easier, will work better, and will have much more force in the history books and at the polls in 2008 and beyond.

[gfnrob]

1. I agree, a good investigation will take * out by it's self

[indepat]

2. Agree too: investigate, expose and let nature take its course. If enough of the major malfeasance,

outright fraud, misfeasance, and nonfeasance see the light of day, look for 12 to 15 'puke Senators not being re-elected in '08 and a Clark sweep of the presidency.

[stillcool]

3. I hate to be a typical American...

but I want their money. All of it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Go for it. Follow the money, the other lesson from the successful dicking of Nixon.

[AIJ Alom]

4. But what about Johnson in 1868 ? I mean sure he isn't modern era

but individuals like us had a hand in forcing him out. I mean sure they were Republican in name but they were more like us than their modern counterparts.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. Johnson 1868 impeachment failed.

Johnson was not convicted and did not resign.

The impeachment of Andrew Johnson is widely regarded as one of the most shameful episodes in the history of the Federal Government. Had Johnson been successfully removed from office, this would have established a precedent that a President could be removed not for "high crimes and misdemeanors" but for purely political differences.

Mind you, that lesson was not learned by the Republicans in 1998. I think Pelosi and Reid are smarter than them.

[Spinzonner]

8. Definitional error

Impeachment is the INDICTMENT so Johnson was impeached by the House.

He was not 'convicted' in the Senate and so was not removed from office.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Yes, definitional. But impeachment as a tactic was a strategic blunder.

Yes, it is well known that impeachment is indictment. It failed in that it did not have the desired effect, removal from office.

[newscott]

5. * & co. need to be tried and convicted.

Otherwise we will be reliving this frigging Republican nightmare every 15 years!

[tigereye]

7. thank you for thinking!

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