Wesley Clark & John Edwards 2008 could carry us through 2024

[Blu Dahlia]

Wesley Clark would serve 2008-2016

John Edwards would serve 2016-2024

These are two underdogs that the media has slept on.

ANYBODY BUT JOHN KERRY - WHO HAS 51% UNFAVORABLE RATING - IN 2008!!!

[waiting for hope]

1. John Edwards is my man...

Think of it, the last few Presidents have not really been life long politicians, outside of being Governor. It's that unknown quality that makes them appealing. Edwards has really done some wonderful things since he left the Senate. I like Clark, but he's more of an unknown to the country at large.

[rocktivity]

2. My first choices for Prez and VP are Clark and Obama

I think Obama would do a better job of balancing the ticket, but Edwards would definitely be my second choice. Either way, we wouldn't have to rely on the MSM to build up any of them. The only time they covered Kerry when there was an opportunity to attack him.

:headbang:
rocknation

[blm]

7. The media will lie about ANY Democrat if they threaten BushInc. That's why they only

push the COVERUP Democrats and trash the anti-corruptio, open government Democrats they know will open the books on BushInc. Clintons they trust, because Clinton covered up for Bush1, so they know Hillary will do the same for Bush2.

So, if YOU'RE guy ISN'T getting trashed, it's because he is not FEARED as an anti-corruption Democrat.

[Mass]

3. Kerry's negatives will go down. I could go behind Clark, but certainly not Edwards.

And I certainly proudly would support Kerry once again.

[politicasista]

10. Me too n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. Why not Edwards?

[blm]

4. Because Kerry has been the MAIN TARGET for 3 solid years while Edwards and Clark have NOT.

And when it comes down to it, everything anyone says right now is FULL OF IT, because MOST Dem voters decide during the SERIES OF DEBATES.

So they can all get on stage together and the one who dominates as the most competent, presidential and direct will get the nomination.

And further - The coverup wing of the Dem party can go FUCK THEMSELVES, because we all know that Hillary's real fear is having to face Kerry on stage. No Clinton wants to face a REAL anti-corruption, open government Democrat like John Kerry.

Hence the corpmedia's heavy negative polling on a TRUE AMERICAN HERO against corruption.

Assholes perpetuate the lies against Kerry - because they want BushInc protected - and naive Dems will go along with the lies blissfully unaware.

[politicasista]

14. Excellent perspective n/t

[Blu Dahlia]

21. the fact of the matter is, on first impressions a lot of people are simply turned off

by Kerry. I know Kerry has loyal supporters but you cannot force someone to change their first impression of Kerry.

[blm]

28. Because a LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. And FYI, the insider's focus groups had different

results. Earlier this year, out of all the potential Dem candidates, Kerry scored the highest for his toughness and honesty. It was an unfriendly run focus group and the report was supposed to get BURIED, but word got leaked out accidently when Chris Matthews and Tom DeLay were talking about it during a commercial break and DeLay made a nasty remark about Hillary. That made the internet, but what was ignored was the news that Kerry came off best in the focus groups.

Which is why Hillary's team has been focusing on Kerry with insider smears to try and take him out.

And another FYI - Kerry's debating and convention speeches were better received than Edwards as you may recall during that time.

And about the media lie - - People who know Kerry all remark about how warm and friendly he is. The media put it into overdrive that he was the exact opposite, even though it was widely acknowledged in 2000 that Kerry's charisma could help Gore on the ticket.

It wasn't until 2001 when the storyline against Kerry became that he was stiff and aloof. His intellect used to be applauded and his charisma recognized, then the whole beerdrinking buddy thing became idolized by the corpmedia in its attempt to make Bush palpable.

[Nedsdag]

29. I have to give you credit blm

No one sticks up for Kerry better; however, the Democratic ruling class let alone the American people will not vote for Kerry a second time. The days of Adlai Stevenson as a back to back nominee are over.

Kerry is a good man, a smart man but sadly in this age of HDTV, he's not an attractive candidate nor is he an instinctive politician. I know it hurts to say that but we have to deal with reality.

[Mass]

31. May be we can let the people decide. I dont pretend to know what would happen,

but you do not know either. You are just repeating what you hear on TV. We heard the same thing in 2003 and guess what. This types of Washington insider wisdom did not work. So, once again, let the people decide. This is why there are primaries .

[blm]

37. Baloney - There isn't a candidate out there who thinks they can blow Kerry off the stage

during the Dem series of debates.

Not ONE. And that is why Hillary's team is trying to take him out now - but HE AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

So they can all just take him on IN FRONT of his face ONSTAGE over the series of debates and we'll see who dominates, who looks most presidential, who handles the answers most competently on ALL the issues.

And then try and tell me that Kerry is over.

The people voted against CORRUPTION - it was their main issue. No other candidate has ever targeted government corruption in their careers the way Kerry has. And some - like TeamClinton, have been complicit in protecting BushInc, and plan to do it again for the Bushboy.

What are the coverup Dems going to say when Kerry asks if they will open the books to the American people and let them know how EVERY scandal Clinton covered up for Poppy Bush led to 9-11 and this Iraq war?

[Nedsdag]

30. duplicate post n/t

[Mass]

32. and a lot are not, but are turned off by Edwards. It is just that the media does not report that.

Kerry is still tied or higher than Edwards in the polls, go figure.

The point is that you cannot pretend to talk for everybody, and sadly, it is what you are doing. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. so may be you could just tell us why Edwards is so great rather than attacking Kerry, because as I said, he is enough for me not to go and vote. Once was enough.

[Virginia Dare]

5. That would work for me...n/t

[American Jesus]

6. Either Clark or Edwards would make a great VP for Al Gore

But neither is going to win on his own. Their limited political experience (None in the General's case) is like handing a loaded gun to the Repukes and telling them not to shoot.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. I'd be willing to bet money that neither Clark or Edwards will be on the

ticket for 2008.

[nealmhughes]

12. Who then? They are doing the most campaigning right now besides HRC...

Clark is the most "presidential" out of all the conders of either party, has the most experience in uppermost management and a stellar record for accomplishment as NATO head. His education is second to noone...his rhetoric is fantatic, and what is there not to like?

Pro-GLBT equality. Pro-universal health care of some form. Pro-working families.

Not tainted by any DLC corporate money and a solid anti-Bush/War record.

[BlackVelvet04]

15. There is only one candidate that I think can be

"recycled" and that is Gore.

I believe it's way too early to guess who will be on the ticket. There's a lot of work to be done and the Democrats will have to prove themselves.

And as a side thought I think that it may be difficult for a Democrat to be elected in 2008. Why? The nation just got rid of one party rule and may not be anxious to return to it. It all depends on just what the Democratic senate and house do.

[The Count]

9. Clark/someone who didn't vote for the war

With Edwards he'd have to watch his back. The way Gore should've in 2000.Kerry was maligned re: concession with absurd "Edwards wanted to fight" (when in fact, he stood quiet and passive about it all this time)

[zulchzulu]

11. Sorry...Kerry's my first choice...by a mile

Flame me. I don't care.

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[TayTay]

19. Kerry worked closely with McCain for many years

and knows what makes him tick and what makes him lose his temper in public. Kerry was a check on that during the MIA/Pow hearings in the '90's and when they negotiated the normalization of Vietnam's relations with the US.

McCain is not the guy that the media thinks he is. Kerry knows that. If McCain is the Rethug nominee, I would ask Kerry for some advice on how to deal with him. (No matter who the Dem nominee is.) That is, if everyone is still speaking to everyone else by then.

[blm]

22. HAHAHHA...READ McCain's BOOK before you say something so obviously MISGUIDED.

McCain knows that no one KNOWS his vulnerabilities more than John Kerry does.

Before he was coopted by BushInc, McCain was more willing to be honest when he wrote that book.

[Wickerman]

13. Clark needs a place on an eventual ticket

I like Feingold and Obama - but I ain't too worried just yet.

[BlackVelvet04]

16. Something else about Clark that I'll jump out and say

because I've heard people say it. His image isn't good. Quite frankly he looks delicate. Should we vote for image? Of course not, but unfortunately that's the way it is.

[Blu Dahlia]

20. delicate? please explain!

What do you mean?

[BlackVelvet04]

26. He looks physically delicate.

I don't know how else to explain it.

[Mass]

33. May be it is time to have people who are competent leading this country and stop thinking we need a

rock star. Let the primary decide.

[Clarkie1]

18. I also like Clark/Obama, but would take Clark/Edwards.

All our great Democrats. I think Clark would bring a lot to the top of the ticket, especially in the times in which we are living.

[sandnsea]

23. John Kerry scares EVERYBODY

Even though he's had the media, Bushies and Clintons against him - he's STILL STANDING. Clark's got no support except online, he doesn't have the Clintons behind him this time either. Edwards is still a plastic shell. Obama is running for VP. It'll be Kerry or Hillary and everybody knows it except DU. Ask yourselves why the media is pushing Hillary and destroying Kerry. It'll be clear what we need to do.

[politicasista]

34. Good question!

:wow:

[Red Right and BLUE]

24. GORE. nt

[silverojo]

25. I like your ticket!

Wes Clark is my favorite choice for President, and Edwards is my second-favorite. I basically held my nose to vote for Kerry, and there's NO WAY that I want him running in '08. The way Clark speaks and defines the Democratic party is beautiful and inspiring. We need a candidate who inspires the masses!

[Kerrytravelers]

35. I'm alone on this, I'm sure, but I'd rather wait to see who throws their hat in the ring,

what they have to say and what the mood of the country is like at the time.

[politicasista]

36. No, that makes sense n/t