I do NOT trust James Carville.

[MoonRiver]

First, anybody who would marry Mary Matalin must have at least one screw loose. :eyes:

Second, he has subtly and not so subtly undermined Democrats on several occasions. Maybe "She Who Must Be Obeyed" has gotten to him. Pillow talk with hypnotic suggestion, or stupid pills slipped into his nightly martini are two possible scenarios.

He seemed to be an OK guy until he hitched himself to that albatross Matalin. She turned him into some type of Democratic hybrid.

Anyway he needs to just stfu about Howard Dean. He had NOTHING to do with what happened this November. Dean had EVERYTHING to do with it. Dean's performance and strategy were nothing short of brilliant. We need Howard Dean to build our congressional numbers and take back the presidency in 2008.

Maybe Carville is forlorn about his long gone glory days during Clinton's reign. Whatever, he can't be allowed to interfere with what Dems are building because he has "issues".

[Divine Discontent]

1. Dean is the NEW Carville

w/all respect to the great things James did for us in the 90's. Howard though has our interests at heart much more transparently than James.



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[MoonRiver]

4. Honestly, I would be very anxious about 2008 if Dean were not Chair.

[Divine Discontent]

46. I couldn't agree more. n/t

[Kolesar]

40. Carville was the third of three warmongers on CNN's "Crossfire"

The others being Paul Begala and "Bowtie"*

*Tucker Carlson, who had a show on CNN until his evisceration by Jon Stewart.

[Iris]

2. Man, what did Carville do today?

I've been out of the loop.

Other posters have suggested his wife is poisoning him and from the way he looked Tuesday night, I wouldn't doubt it.

[Kolesar]

6. & three threads on Carville popped up on the "latest" page-someone please tell

...us what we missed!!

[MoonRiver]

8. He's lobbying to dump Dean and insert Ford as Chairman.

Yes, as unbelievable as that sounds, it's true.

[Olney Blue]

15. That's nuts.

[Raine]

3. Neither do I

he's sleeping in the devil's bed. :evilfrown: x(

[Olney Blue]

5. WTF is going on with Carville? I missed it.

[wakeme2008]

9. Said Dean needed to be replace and that Dean was a Loser

:shrug:

[Olney Blue]

13. No wonder DU is going nuts!

[mtnsnake]

49. He never said that. People like you who perpetuate the rumors without

knowing diddly squat ought to fucking apologize to Carville for the crap you're making up about him. What Carville did was ask a hypothetical question about Harold Ford if he was ever to become DNC chairman. He never said Dean needed to be replaced. It's amazing how many people know this, but how few fail to point it out simply because they love to see the bickering about Carville continue because it supports their anti-Clinton agendas.

[MoonRiver]

12. See my response above.

Basically he's trying to put the ax to Dean.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. I never have trusted the DLC mouthpiece.

[Canuckistanian]

10. He doesn't really have any official party position, does he?

Seems to me he's just another "talking head" meatpuppet that the CM likes to parade around as a "liberal".

He had his day back in 1992. Why is he relevant now?

[MoonRiver]

14. He's only relevant because he gets t.v. time and he is LOUD.

[Cha]

31. Some people get better with age like

Dean but carville seems to have turned into an ol' sour grape pissyant who's wants to rain on our parade.

[demwing]

42. I like to call him "The Agin' Cajun"

His act is stale, and he rides on the tails of his 14 year old successes.

Hey James Carville? What have you done for us LATELY?

[Cha]

44. That has a good

ring to it!

[demwing]

52. Hey Z!

long time no talk to. How every little thing?

[blm]

11. What's happening to Dean already happened to Kerry and many piled on thinking it was JUST

Kerry. Easy to do when you have most media doing the attacking of a great American who most never had the chance to even know. Now the same with Dean, and Carville will use every media invention against him as reason enough.

We tried to tell you Kerry was being undermined from within and Carville and Begala had the pull at CNN and the NBCs to do it, so working with Rove talking points was just icing for them. The DNC had no intention of winning in 2002 and 2004, they just kept focused on raising money for a shiny new building in DC and let the party infrastructre in most states collapse.

There is a coverup wing of the Democratic party and they work AGAINST the anti-corruption, open government Democrats.

Dean cast his lot with the anti-corruption Dems 3 years ago, and BushInc and ClintonInc will do whatever they can to suppress that wing of the party.

Bush2 needs Clinton2 to close the books on his crimes the way Clinton1 did for Bush1.

[MoonRiver]

17. We got Dean in against their wishes. And, Kerry was nominated.

We will win again.

[blm]

19. The hyped BS against Kerry is to try to keep him off the same DEBATE stage with Hillary

because ClintonInc knows Hillary can't handle it when Kerry presses her about closing the books on BushInc the same way Bill did for Poppy.

With CORRUPTION being the number one issue in exit polls, of course the coverup wing doesn't want to go there.

[MoonRiver]

50. I know Hillary is trying to marginalize any and all competitors.

Certainly Kerry is way up on her list of threats.

[still_one]

16. I do not know if Howard is the person for the job or not, but I DON'T WANT

Carville determining it

I like Howard, but probably the best choice would be Bill Clinton

I know what carville is thinking, attract the conservative vote with Ford, unfortunately that might alienate the liberal vote

Dean does have the right idea with his 50 state strategy, I think Ford is too conservative

[msongs]

18. harold ford Jr is a republican in dems clothing. nt

[still_one]

20. I hear you, and would probably say he is an extremely right wing Democrat

I also believe he would alienate the liberals, and insure a loss for us in 2008

I also do not trust him or his wife who works for cheney

In my view their interests are the corporations, and it is all a game

Well for most people it is their survival

[laheina]

23. Ahhh. That explains it.

Carville worked for Bill Clinton, and he seemed to pioneer the "move to the middle" tactic that Hillary is always sporting.

After the elections, I've heard a lot of the right-wingers complaining that the Dems only won because we had a lot of centrist candidates on the ballots--especially in the conservative districts.

Carville et al are probably of the mind that we will do even better with a centrist in the top job; however, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!!

But I love Howard Dean, so I'm biased. :)

[still_one]

35. I also think carville is jealous because he was NOT involved in this election

[Cha]

33. Dean is the best choice and he's

already proven himself. Fuck dlcers.

[karynnj]

34. especially doing it this way

Dean does not deserve to be told he did a bad job and then replaced.

All I know is that in my red county NJ suburb many of the volunteers were there because they responded to either Dean or Kerry and signed up.

This is pathetic - Carville was beyond useless in both 2004 and 2006.

[cali]

43. Fuck Bill Clinton

and I mean it. The Clintons are foursquare behind this nasty little attempt at a coup at the DNC. It's common knowledge in DC, and Carville is nothing but their proxy. The Clintons fought like hell to keep Dean from this position to begin with. They lost, but they really, really don't want him in there for '08. Anyone who thinks Carville is doing this shit without the blessing of Billary, simply isn't thinking at all.

[applegrove]

21. I agree there was a time when C-B were prime players. I still find their

take on CNN to be interesting. Don't get why there is so much infighting .. but I guess Carville - Begalia is to blame for that. They keep piping up on the TV with criticism of others.

Yes it does seem like Dean has been right before anyone else in the last 6 years. He was one of the only ones against war. But I still think this election was lost by the pile-up of corruption, cabal, and crappy lies that was the * WH.

[silverojo]

22. Carville's a traitor!

Read this, about how he stabbed John Kerry in the back after the 2004 election:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2681774#2682057

[MoonRiver]

24. His loyalty to her supersedes his loyalty to the Democratic Party.

It's nice that he's a loyal spouse, but not at the expense of our democracy.

The Dem Party should totally ignore anything spewing from this tool's piehole.

[laheina]

25. Somehow, I believe it. nt

[mitchum]

26. That is wise because no one should trust that beltway-dwelling...

opportunist.
He is very pissy now that he is just yesterday's snakehead. A rightly marginalized figure blathering on TV.

[Diane R]

27. And now it all explains why Harold and Hillary blasted Kerry after the 'joke'.

I was so mad at them. If they had stood up for him and turned the spotlight on bush's 'botched war', the Democrats could have gotten so much mileage out of that. Instead, they kicked Kerry when he was down, even though he had worked his tail off supporting Veterans and other candidates.

Now it all makes sense. Sadly.

[MoonRiver]

28. Yes, indeed.

I also think it may have cost Ford his election. Nobody likes an opportunistic hypocrite.

[Canuckistanian]

32. Exactly.

I remember when I heard Hillary make that statement. I was half-paying attention to the radio and heard her say something about "our men and women in uniform".

And I said "Whaaaaa?"

I couldn't believe she was reinforcing an obviously false interpretation of Kerry's words, parroting the GOP's propaganda.

She lost me for good a long time ago. She's an even worse 'triangulator' than Bill.

She does it for herself alone.

[Swamp Rat]

36. I disagree on one point:

"She does it for herself alone." - Alien lizards are vain, greedy creatures who will eat their own in a heartbeat, but they are also working together.

:D

[Canuckistanian]

37. That pic always cracks me up

Way y'at, Swampy?

[Swamp Rat]

39. Alright... making 'IMPEACH BUSH' bumperstickers

:hi:

[judaspriestess]

48. that means carville is also an alien lizard?

wouldn't surprise me.

edit:typo

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

38. ITA and she lost me a long time ago as well.

If Hillary does manage to get the Democratic nomination in 2008, for the first time in my life, I will not vote for the Democratic nominee for US President.

What she did to John Kerry last week was unconscionable and inexcusable.

BTW did she throw any of her campaign money to any of the other Democratic candidates in the second or third tier races, or did she keep it all to herself???

[Individualist]

29. Pit vipers are more trustworthy than Carville

[Cha]

30. I trust him as much as I

trust his wifey's boss. Talk about a sour grape suckin' storm filled cloud.

[casus belli]

41. I kinda think "Slingblade" when I see him. Maybe that's just me. n/t

[goforit]

45. 2 days after 2004 election he spoke in my area imploring people not contest

the vote count!!!

2004 was stolen just like 2000.

I was pissed then and am still pissed!

[blm]

51. I never heard that story before. But it all makes sense - they knew Kerry would open

the books on BushInc and James is married to one of the war criminals.

[mnhtnbb]

47. Carville's been suckin' too much Repub tit--it's poisoned him.

[madmusic]

53. Me either.

Maybe his wife talked him into selling out.

[Ksec]

54. Hes married to Matalin.

Thats enough to make me question his judgement.
I think Dean should get whatever he wants. Including party chair. Hes a genuis and he was the architect of the Dem revolution. He is my newest hero.

[FatDave]

55. Never liked him, never trusted him

Of course at first I just didn't trust him to come up with good strategies. Now I actually question his intentions.