Did you CRY on the Phone to your DADDY Mr Bush? Or was there a COUP?

[symbolman]

Can you see it? Can you see Bush on the night of the Election CRYING into the phone to DADDY? Finally giving up the Mano a mano bullshit and asking for HELP, like all the OTHER TIMES he's SCREWED THE POOCH?

Or was Daddy just a little voice on the other end of the line, "Don't worry son, I've got Baker on it.. he'll bring in all my Iran CONTRA guys and we'll FIX this, after all HE'S THE FIXER, remember how he gave you that election? Wasn't that a nice present? You've been very bad with all your TOYS now, tho, and we'll have to clean them up before you get dinner.."

Now we're seeing EAGLEBERGER? What's Next, Ed MEESE? In case no one is old enough to realise what's happening here, you are seeing what essentially is a RELINQUISHED GOVT, handed Over to BUSH SENIOR and HIS Cronies.

THis is a SILENT COUP, and I hope the Democrats fight it LIKE HELL. I DO NOT want to see yet ANOTHER FOUL STENCH in our White House.

His OWN SON is a COVER, oh he let him run wild for awhile, but believe me the Grown Ups are BACK, and they are VILE and just as CORRUPT, only SLICKER.

Beware. I've seen this show before, and know what? The American People didn't like THIS ONE either and sent HIM packing, they hired PRESIDENT Clinton instead.

08 is going to be very interesting, as yet ANOTHER Bush is going to be rebuked.

[The Count]

1. Traditionally, W is lifted from his messes before he even knows how deep

he's in. remember, Baker started crawling around BEFORE the elections.

[symbolman]

3. Yep

Daddy saw the writing on the wall and put things in motion.. this is a Family COUP.

I wonder why no one mentions that Baker is DEFENDING THE SAUDIES against the Families of the victims of 911?

Interesting how they are all falling at his feet in the media, eh?

[enuffs_enuffs]

7. Even the Daily Show.

All those issues... and NO airtime.

[Canuckistanian]

2. From the Neocons to the Poppyists

Don't know which faction is worse.

[MuseRider]

4. It is creepy isn't it?

I hate to see all these criminal creepy guys get recycled right back into our government but then we knew that Bush** was such a fuck up it was inevitable. Damn. THIS is why they need to be held accountable. They will always be waiting for their next chance to take over.

[madokie]

8. The silver lining may be we have another chance at their sorry asses

[MuseRider]

10. Ahhhhh

so very true. Wouldn't that be a fine thing to witness?

[fooj]

23. That's what I'm thinking.

You would think these guys would stay the hell away from all of this bullshit considering CLINTON gave them a free pass the last time.

[shadowknows69]

5. Your fantasies are too good Symbolman

Rock on bro.

<edit to add. I agree with you but the image the first part put in my mind was priceless)

[symbolman]

6. Actually I can see that happening

He's a WUSS just like his dad. Exactly.. the yellow strip is CONGENITAL :)

I'd kill to have been a fly on that wall, eh?

thanks!

[shadowknows69]

9. I'm not feeling very comforted either

that the Bush 41 team is bailing junior out. At least we already know they're reptiles we just need them to do our bidding.

[Wiley50]

15. A Fly On The Wall With A Camera. C'mon Nanoscience!

Imagine the Possibilities!

Love Ya, Symbolman

[bigtree]

11. perfect

Bush Back Into The Arms Of Daddy
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bigtree

[symbolman]

13. Right ON

bigtree, great minds think alike, eh?

Only Your great mind decided to WRITE IT DOWN, and I thank you for that :)

Spread that message FAR and WIDE, Good stuff, very good, thanks!

[bigtree]

21. heh

:toast:

[symbolman]

12. Good Idea

Let's CLEAN OUT THE NEST while we're in Power, eh?

We need to SHOW INTERFERENCE by Another President and get the Public to SHAME them Both. They really think that peope have forgotten?

Like Jon Stewart says, "Do the think we're RETARDED?"

BRING 'EM ON. :)

[Beam Me Up]

16. We have the ammunition

if anyone has the courage to use it.

It is all tied together in one unruly bundle from the selection of 2000, right on through 9/11 and on to everything that has happened since. For me, 9/11 still packs the biggest punch but most people are afraid to go there.

[symbolman]

19. Good point

It IS all one Nice Neat Little Package isn't it.. somehow ALL of these guys keep turning up, like a Bad Penny..

There is no such THING as a coincidence with these people. This is just like a FILM, there is NOTHING in a FILM that the Director did not PUT THERE :)

Yeah, put a BOW on this one and throw it in the garbage.

Baker is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST due to the fact that he represents the Saudis, it is in HIS INTEREST to USE Iraq OIL and MONEY and he is in BED with the SAUDIES.. Quid Pro Quo would mean that HE is DEEP INTO Running the OIL INDUSTRY of the Middle East, feet in BOTH POOLS.

Scary, someone needs to EXPOSE THIS..

[SoCalDem]

14. Hello?? Hello Dad..Put Mr Baker on the phone...'kay?

[symbolman]

18. LOL!!

You ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST GRAPHICS!!

Always crack me up, I don't see where you find them all! Did you draw that one? Are you a graphics person?

I just LOVE your posts :)

[SoCalDem]

20. I actually found that on a phone website in the comments section

I have the ideas, but cannot do anything but the MS Publisher simple stuff..

if I was not so lazy, I would go to a computer graphics class.. I even bought photoshop,.. WAAAAAy beyond my capabilities, though/./

Thanks.. coming from you it's a huge compliment ..I LOVE your stuff :)

[goclark]

17. Poppy and his good ole boys ,always in the middle nt

[fooj]

22. His idiot son has ALWAYS been the cover.

I've been screaming that since 2000! Excellent thread, Symbolman. Don't let people forget just WHO these treasonous, rat bastards are.

[opihimoimoi]

24. OH...to be a fly on the wall that day...give 29$ to hear the wailing, sniffling, anguished screams,

wall punching, swearing, cussing, etc etc.

They got their asses kicked in

[troubleinwinter]

25. Oh, man, you gave me the creeps.

I lived this:

As (CA governor) Reagan's chief of staff, Meese was instrumental in the decision to crack down on student protesters at People's Park in Berkeley, California, on May 15, 1969. Meese was widely criticized for escalating official response to the People's Park protest, during which law enforcement officers killed one student and seriously injured hundreds of others. Meese advised Reagan to declare a state of emergency in Berkeley, contrary to the recommendation of the Berkeley City Council, which led to a two-week occupation of the city by National Guard troops.

I saw tanks rolling down the streets of my town. Military encampments. I saw my friends beaten bloody with batons and helped the children from the School For The Blind try to run to safety when we couldn't breathe from the teargas spewed from military helicopters overhead after the Guard cut off all escape routes. It was ugly. Frightening. Deadly. Our town was occupied by the military.

Yes, I'm old enough to remember. I can never forget. I worry sometimes. A lot.

(Edit to add that fuck became Reegun's counselor to the President, member of the President's Cabinet and the National Security Council from 1981-1985 and Attorney General in February 1985-1988. Involved in the Iran-Contra Affair as a "counselor" and "friend" to the President. Is he dead yet, or are you right that he'll be nominated if Cheney finally keels over?)

[symbolman]

27. Jesus CHRIST!

Shades of RAYGUN!

I'm so sorry that you had to go through that, YOU know what real FEAR IS. THEY are SO CORRUPT and SO much slicker than the Gang that can's shoot straight..

So Sorry, goddamn. wow.

Christ, THIS WILL NOT STAND.

TELL EVERYONE, the POD PEOPLE ARE BACK!

[troubleinwinter]

31. Yes.

I know fear. And strength and courage in the face of it.

Well, on the good side, way back then Gov. Raygun and Meese turned my father from repub into a Democrat.

At 78, he voted STRAIGHT Dem ticket Tuesday. Probly the only good those fucks ever did.

[DemoTex]

26. Symbolman: Shout this from the rooftops (re. Eagleburger)

Eagleburger currently serves as President of Kissinger Associates, Inc. and currently Senior Foreign Policy Advisor with Baker, Donelson, Bearman & Caldwell (as in Howard H. Baker, former Republican Senator from Tennessee). As a member of the board of directors of the Halliburton Company, he is a member of the Audit, the Compensation and the Management Oversight and the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committees.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lawrence_Sid ...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kissinger_As... .

[symbolman]

29. Holy shit!

KISSENGER AGAIN!

They tried to pawn him off before too.. the guy is a goddamn War Criminal and can't take off in a Plane if he doesn't KNOW WHERE it will LAND. If he lands in the wrong place he'll be escorted to a CELL.

Thanks man, I sent a commentary to Olbermann and Buzzflash.

We need to cut them OFF at the KNEES and NOW.

[troubleinwinter]

32. Since you brought up the name....

I drove a pal on Thursday to the VA hospital where he works. He noticed that the flag was at half staff. I said "Hopefully it's Kissinger. Or Cheney."

These fucks all come out of the same poisonous mold.

[lady lib]

28. He made "an Oedipal U-turn"

as Maureen Dowd so cleverly worded it.

Mr. Gates, already on Mr. Baker’s “How Do We Get Sonny Out of Deep Doo Doo in Iraq?” study group, left his job protecting 41’s papers at Texas A&M to return to Washington and pry the fingers of Poppy’s old nemesis, Rummy, off the Pentagon.

“They had to bring in someone from the old gang,” said someone from the old gang. “That has to make Junior uneasy. With Bob, the door is opened again to 41 and Baker and Brent.”

W. had no choice but to make an Oedipal U-turn. He couldn’t let Nancy Pelosi subpoena the cranky Rummy for hearings on Iraq. “He’s not exactly Mr. Charming or Mr. Truthful, and he’d be on TV saying something stupid,” said a Bush 41 official.

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/opinion/09dowd.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1163214773-42RLNIafxLoRjDqQeHIn3g

[symbolman]

30. Here is the Commentary I sent to both Olbermann and Buzzflash

and am trying to convince my wife to post on our own site, since I'm an idiot :)

Here it is, pass it along if you will:

******

Poltergiest in the White House? by Symbolman of Takebackthemedia.com

I'm getting a picture in my mind.

It's that scene so famous in the Poltergiest movie where the little girl is kneeling in front of the TV between channels and saying, "They're HERE.."

Why?

Because they ARE HERE. Pay Attention. The "Poppyists" are BACK. Daddy Bush is sneaking in the back door of the White House, as Rummy flees through the front.

While we are all warm and fuzzy as Democrats, watching the TV Media honk like a gaggle of geese hot on the trail of a young boy's ass who wandered into the goose pen, the Bush Senior team is committing a 'silent coup' in our Govt.

Bush junior, that little waste product who runs companies into the ground and broke every toy ever given to him, is Relinquishing our Govt to his FATHER.

They are using the Bush Family FIXER to run a number down on the American people, and no one is paying attention. All of a sudden the Iran/Contra folks are showing up in DROVES, including their old buddy Manuel Ortega ( http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/08/MNGCCM81DS1.DTL&type=printable ) who just happened to show up on the old boob tube the other day, running for office again, as a Compassionate Contra.

Gates, Eagleburger, the same old crew. We're being traded out by the NeoCons for the old school Iran/Contra Team. So now we are supposed to Cheer that Baker will SAVE America? That the old family fixer is going to change juniors Diapers for us? Not a chance.

Doesn't anyone remember that James Baker orchestrated one of the biggest frauds in American History in Florida? Sent by Bush Senior as the "FIXER" once again.

And while the Media prattles on, "Gee whiz, we can't believe the American people just don't like the Right anymore. How could they settle for 'no plan' Democrats?" and STILL showing their Right Wing bent, we are all celebrating getting our Govt BACK from the Gang that couldn't Shoot Straight.

Well, while we're doing that, the Bush Senior Crew is descending like Vultures to tear away the game from the Idiot Son who has mauled it, but was never one to Clean his Plate, being born with a silver spoon in his Snout.

And that GAME is US.

No one recalls that Baker's Law firm was Hired BY the Saudis to REPRESENT THEM AGAINST the Families of the Victims of 911? ( http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1090180166698 ) Can you stomach THAT? I Can't. And I WON'T.

Isn't it ODD that he should do that? Isn't it ODD that MOST of the Terrorists according to THIS government were of Saudi Origin?

Doesn't that Represent a 'Conflict of Interest' in ANYONE'S mind? Does the Media report this?

Nope.

Should you know this?

Yep.

Let's just imagine these OIL MEN controlling or being controlled BY Saudis WHILE Baker, who has been put in charge of the world Forgiving Iraq Debt. (Code, slicing up the Iraq Oil Pie for his pals), having a foot in BOTH rather large Pools of OIL.

All while the Media just keep slapping it's head in disbelief over the election and letting us all know that WE voted FOR Conservatives, and NOT just because we hate Bush for killing our sons and daughter's for OIL (which he now admits to, that it WAS all about the Oil), and the enrichment of all those "Tooth to Tail" Military Reconstructionists, hiring corporations who DO NOT take an Oath to "serve and protect this country against enemies both WITHIN and without".

Firing Rummy and pinning War Crimes on him is just a Freakshow compared to what Bush Senior's pals have in store for us. It's part of the Three Card Monty game being played out before our eyes while the Media LOOKS THE OTHER WAY.

So now there are new noises banging around in the White House. New Ghosts, but familiar ones to anyone who remembers the Iran/Contra days. That KNOCKING you hear in the White House is not just Bush Junior's Knees. It's the Ghosts of Christmas past, and they do not come bearing Gifts. No. They're slithering down the chimney to steal all the presents under the TREE. They've done it before.

And they got away with it then. Let's not let them get away with it NOW.

They represent a nice big package, all tied in a BOW, running all the way back to when Baker assisted in the heist of the election, through 911 and right on up to the present invasion of the Poppyists.

Spread the word. INFORM the MEDIA. Demand ANSWERS about Baker and crew. Arm the Democrats. Tell them THIS WILL NOT STAND.

We did not vote in historic numbers just to have Bush "little boots" Junior throw up his hands and run crying to his daddy, dropping the mano a mano tough guy hysteria, and all of his broken TOYS, our Brothers and Sisters in Arms. In HARMS WAY because of HIM. Standing there in Iraq right NEXT to Halliburton thugs getting paid 5 times what they make, treated as McTroops by the Bush Junior Admin, and screwed on the way home by the defunding of the Veteran's Administration on the tail end.

We voted to THROW THE BUMS OUT.

And now they're sneaking in the back door. Be forwarned. They are SMOOTHER than any Oil slick Bush Junior has admired with Poppy, and like the Middle East folks like to say, "Don't let a Camel get it's nose in your tent. If you do, soon YOU will be sleeping outside, and the camel will have your bed."

*************

Should I post this as a seperate thread? Probably drop like a rock. People are still howling over their win, and rightly so, but missing what's going on in the meantime...

[troubleinwinter]

34. As we used to say, RIGHT ON!!!!!

As I often demurely say now, RIGHT FUCKING ON!

I am horrified at these names that are being brought back. It's like an endless loop. Cheney. Rumsfeld. Eagelberger. Gates. Kissinger. etc.

Same old reeking criminal crew.

[malaise]

44. Great article Symbolman

the absolute truth.

[bunny planet]

33. Totally agree, Poppy and Co. being involved creep me out

Greg Palast's book 'Armed Madhouse' points out that Baker has always been involved with plans for Iraq, Jr. just got stupid, defied his dear old Dad and went with Cheney and the NeoCons. Cheney has a finger in both Iraq plans, the NeoCon Plan B and the Baker Plan A.

The inside front and back cover of the book has it all spelled out in a summary entitled 'A Secret History of the War Over Oil in Iraq'
From this summation, some excerpts:

Intro:
Conspiracy nuts think George Bush, from the moment he took office, had a secret plan to control Iraq's oil. They're wrong. Bush had two plans. Here they are: One crafted by Neo-Conservatives at the Pentagon, another fashioned by the State Department and Big Oil. This is the history of the secret cold war between these two power elites, which drives the hot war on the Tigres.

February 2001: Plan A
Within a month of Bush Jr.'s first inaugural, the National Security Council and State Department convene a confab in Walnut Creek, California, to plan the invasion of Iraq. The group auditions replacements for Saddam. Host Falah Alisbury, a top US oil industry advisor on Iraq, says one plan was for "an invasion that acted like a coup....shut down for two or three days...then everything is....as is." As is, "especially in the oil ministry, which would retain the government oil monopoly.

December 2000 - March 2001
James Baker III Institute and the Council on Foreign Relations, sponsored by Saudi Arabia, to map global energy plan. The bug in the soup: Saddam Hussin, who's jerking the oil markets, "posing a difficult situation for the US...requiring an immediate policy review - military, energy, economic, diplomatic." In March, Baker-CFR group member Ken Lay and other industry chiefs meet secretly with Vice President Dick Cheney. They review this map of Iraqi oil fields.

October 2001 - Feb. 2003: Plan B
Emboldened by the September 11 attacks and ease of conquering Afghanistan, neo-conservatives draft their counter-plan: a yearlong occupation to re-make Iraq into a free-market miracle. The 101 page secret program becomes a Christmas tree for insider lobbyists, including Grover Norquist, who help load it with corporate goodies: copyright protection for Microsoft and Sony, and the CPP (" Comprehensive Privatization Program") to sell off "all" state assets, "especially the oil".

September 2002
The purpose of "privatizing" Iraq's oil in Plan B, "The Economy Plan," is laid out by Ari Cohen of the Heritage Foundation for neo-cons at the Pentagon: Destroy OPEC and the Saudis. Oil privatization is the key, " a no-brainer" : abolish Iraq's state oil monopoly, sell their fields, ramp up production beyond the OPEC quota, destroy OPEC, crush oil prices, and bring Saudi Arabia to its knees. Plan B promoters: neo-cons Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Harold Rhode, boosters and members of the Project for the New American Century.

(skip a few paragraphs about the actual start of the war, and President Bush broadcasting his message to the Iraqi people at the onset of the war 'Do not destroy the oil fields') Jay Garner is also fired for resisting the neo-cons 101 page Plan B.

September - October 2003
US oil industry chiefs block oil field sell-off. Phil Carroll of Houston, ex-CEO of Shell Oil USA, arrives in May to take charge of Iraq's oil ministry; tells Bremer, privately, there would be "no privatization of Iraqi oil...end of statement." Leaving in September, he passes control ot Houston buddy Bob McKee, Chairman of Halliburton Company and former SVP of Conoco Oil, McKee orders a bullet in the head to oil privatization: a write-up of Plan A (Baker and State Dept.) re-establishing a state oil monopoly.

November 2003 - January 2004
Amy Jaffe of the James Baker III institute, along with oil industry experts, secretly writes up details of original "Plan A". The 323 page Options for Iraqi Oil for the State Department contains only one option: a state oil company that would enhance (Iraq's) relationship with OPEC." Privitization and OPEC-busting are out. the neo-cons are kept in the dark about the new policy guide.

May 2004 - March 2005
Dick Cheney sides with Big Oil over the neo-cons. May 20: Ahmed Chalabi sought for arrest on espionage charges: his "governing council" is shuttered, replaced with "sovreign government headed by Baathists blessed by the State Department. Pentagon favorite Bremer is booted for John Negroponte, Big Oil's friend at the State Department. Wolfowitz is removed from the Pentagon. The Council on Foreign Relations rejoices, 'The realists have defeated the fantasists!" Pro-OPEC Baathists fired by Bremer and Chalabi now return to run the oil ministry and establish a state oil monopoly. OPEC is saved. Oil prices bust over $50. a barrel and reserves of top five oil companies increase in value by over $2 trillion.

February 2005 and Beyond
The wheel turns again. Negroponte replaced as US viceroy for Iraq by neo-con PNAC favorite Zalmay Kalizad. Chalabi returns to power with Shi'ites, names himself temporary oil minister, fires Big Oil's favorites - but does not dare privatize oil fields or bust OPEC. Crude oil prices rises to over $60. a barrel.

So, in summary of Palast's summary. The war and occupation of Iraq has always been about the oil, but what we may not have realized is that Jim Baker has always been involved and there has been a constant secret behind the scenes battle between Big Oil and the Neo-Cons with the American and Iraqi people and the soldiers in Iraq being the losers. Jim Bakers public appearance on the scene now belies the fact that he has always been involved since the very beginning and his motives are no more to be trusted than Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney's. Its just been pro-OPEC war profiteers against anti-OPEC war profiteers, none of these people ever had the 'hearts and minds' and freedom of the Iraqi people on their minds ever. The book is very interesting, has a whole chapter on James Baker. I'll try and post some of the juicier information about him in awhile. I wouldn't trust him.

[symbolman]

41. Thanks so much for the plethora of INFO

It's all we've got to fight these guys who rewrite it at will aka Winston Smith..

Palast is one of the BEST we've got and I've had lunch at him home, a real COOL guy, he'd just got back from England, trying to return to his country that he loves so MUCH.

I once stuck a pic up on a Corkboard of James Baker in my house and wrote, "This is the most dangerous man in the world" and THAT was in the 80's.. Rove is a Boy Scout compared to this guy.

And for those that say that guys Like Negroponte, etc have been eeking their way into this govt, sure, but LOOK how BLATANT it is NOW, and this calls for Blantant ACTION - they need to be EXPOSED, pick up the ROCK and shine the SUN on them..

and if the New Dem control says they want "Transparency" well then, let's HAVE IT, no TIN FOIL in the FACTS, eh?

Thanks BunnyPlanet, ALWAYS enjoy your posts!

[Swamp Rat]

35. Guess who's in charge again...

[JanusAscending]

36. YUP!!..

and guess who knows where all the bodies are buried???? Oh, come on,..guess???? Someone who I hope and pray is running for POTUS in '08, and knows MUCH about Iran Contra!! Need any more hints??:bounce:

[Swamp Rat]

37. ... in Cheney's underground cave, where THEY process the bodies into something

akin to Soylent Green... though THEY prefer to eat humans alive.

[symbolman]

39. I swear the first time I saw that Mouth

I just KNEW he would eat a BABY.. that's why they don't allow him to KISS them on the campaign trail O' Tears :)

I LOVE THIS ONE, as usual!

[Swamp Rat]

40. YES! Do NOT let them near children!

:D :hi:

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. I bet Sen Kerry sees it!

:evilgrin:

[JanusAscending]

42. Give that DUer a drink on me!!

You win the prize tonight:toast: :beer: Go get 'em JK!!! Oops, edited for gender!

[alfredo]

43. Damn, I was thinking the same thing. Daddy has stepped in and

took Georgie's toys away.

[grasswire]

47. is anyone else concerned about the fact that...

...the father of the POTUS can apparently impose his own appointees to the cabinet posts and administrative positions?

Think of it in terms of the Constitution. How can this be? There is no authority for it.

[symbolman]

51. That's the Problem I have with this

WHO the HELL elected Bush SENIOR to fill Cabinet Posts?

There has to be some kind of precendent for this, maybe Prez Adams? Though as I believe it to be, he wasn't a flaming asshole bent on the destruction of the country for OIL. Maybe Whale Oil :)

I think it's time to get some Constitutional Scholars on this stuff, if someone will TALK about it, which is why I'm screaming Holy Hell.

This IS NOT KOSHER.

Thanks for the insight.

[grasswire]

56. I think I will e-mail Jonathan Turley

Maybe he will talk about it on Olbermann.

[alfredo]

55. Maybe there was more of an abdication than a coup.

Maybe behind closed doors he agreed to his dad taking control. Maybe bush jr knows he isn't up to the job.

[yurbud]

45. I'm still waiting for the OF MICE AND MEN moment between

Papa Bush and the Tard:

"Hey, daddy, remember how ya used ta tell me about them Iraqi oil fields? Oil so easy to take you can scoop in up with a coffee cup?"

"That's right junior...You close your eyes and think about those oil fields. And don't worry, I won't let them impeach you, or ask you any hard questions. You'll never have to answer a question again..."

And while junior is curled up in the fetal position asleep, Papa gestures for E. Howard Hunt to come out of the shadows...

[symbolman]

46. HA HA!

Then of course they catch the Tard Son, stroking a piece of Condi's fur over and over.. :)

[yurbud]

57. that would be before my scene--there aren't any after

[Pachamama]

48. Hey Symbolman!

Thanks for the excellent summary of the silent coup that seems to have happened while we were asleep!

Meanwhile - I hope you and the family are well and picking up the pieces! We are heading your way in the spring...I hope the area is recovering well. :hi:

[Philosoraptor]

49. it's been daddybush's crew from day one

Clinton was only an 8 year interruption of the reagan/bush/bush regime/legacy/syndicate.

coup number one, JFK, coup number two, reagan, coup number three, 2000/9-11, and the coup de tat keeps on sliding into hell with us in tow.

[ray of light]

50. Just a reminder...Kerry NAILED them for Iran-Contra...

I wonder if there will be any reliving of that testimony.

(Not that we can count on our press to say a word.)

[lonestarnot]

52. What a dangerous mafioso.

:puke: Dems know what's up I'm sure.

[Jacobin]

53. Okay, I will spoil the continuity of this thread

Poppy = Paleo con

Shrub-Rumsfeld-Cheney = Neo con.


Paleo cons were against attempting to conquer and occupy Iraq.

Neo cons were in favor of conquering and occupying Iraq, Iran and Syria.


Neo cons failed miserably resulting in loss of republican power.


Why is it bad that the paleocons are coming in to attempt to get us out of Iraq. Because, they are realists and understand that the neocons work in a fantasy world.

I would rather have paleocon mafiaso working to extricate the troops from Iraq than neo-con mafiaso attemptint to keep troops in Iraq under the delusion that they would be able to successfully steal their oil.

In other words, if they can get us out of Iraq, why the fuss? Because they arent pretty and clean?

[symbolman]

58. I'd rather have the

DEMOCRATS doing it, esp now that THEY are in CHARGE as Charged by the American people with a HUGE Voting majority :)

[Skidmore]

54. Get the impression that the babysitter partied while the grownups

were out? Cheney screwed up bad.