What po'd me most about Carville's remarks yesterday. I slept on it

[Skidmore]

and this morning I'm able to articulate the chord it struck in me. It is exactly this kind of thinking that has been used to castigate "liberals" as some sort of pariahs and made "liberalism" a bad word over the past 30 years. The idea that somehow holding values of tolerance and inclusiveness needs to be subverted or denigrated in some way for more pedestrian and self-serving goals. Because of this, the nation as a whole has tacked so far to the right that even paleocons are now seen as "liberal" is telling. Carville and his fellow DLCers should stop to consider the necessary role that liberal ideals have played in the evolution of America. I would not want to live in an America without liberals or progressives or progressive liberals (and I'm one of those). If the party turns its back on those ideas, it will lose me and many others. If the party turns to becoming only Republican-light, it will lose a large portion of its base. We need to help the nation tack to the left and embrace those values again.

Signed

Skidmore
A Proud Progressive Liberal turning Radical

[xchrom]

1. pragmatism sans ideals -- whether carried by the left or

right -- has to become a degenerated thing.

ultimately the goal of moderates in general and dlcers is to carry the corporate oigarchy's message.

business good -- all else bad or at least marginal and inconvenient.

i maintain my position that in this contemporary era -- there are no moderates.

simply a number people mouthing the idea that there are moderates.

[CJCRANE]

2. Without the left

there would've been no comeback. The left were the first to call Bushco out on their failures and lunatic ideas back when it was courageous to do so. Now it's fashionable.

[AtomicKitten]

3. Carville did nothing more

than express his fondness for Ford and said he would make a good DNC chair if he ever ran. He didn't say anything about ousting Dean. It isn't a permanent position, you know. As much as it torques people here, the man expressed his POV. He's a middle of the road, DLC kind of guy. If there is no tolerance for him and his POV, why in the hell would anybody think those further to the left deserve tolerance and respect? Has the live and let live philosophy expired and nobody told me?