JIm Webb- Wes Clark

[wilt the stilt]

If we want to permanently emasculate the repub party we would nominate Wes Clark. This would make the repub party flaccid and looking for viagra. Unfortunately they wouldn't be able to find any and would remain impotent like Rush. This type of socially conscious leader who is a former highly decorated military man who have the repubs flailing away. Here's to Wes Clark

[iamjoy]

1. How Are The Two Connected

Clark and Webb?

Did Webb say this about Clark or is Webb an example of why you think Clark can win?

[wilt the stilt]

4. It is the image

These two are cut from the same cloth. If Hilary runs the repubs can come back with leftist/weak on terror bullshit. If Clark runs he is not only highly decorated but truly brillant. They could never question his service, qualifications or patriotism. This would end the discussion of democrats being weak and not centrist. It would leave them with no ammunition.

[Eric J in MN]

6. I think Wes Clark is probably the most electable...

...of the Democrats likely to run.

However, Republicans WILL question his service, just like they did to John Kerry.

If Wes Clark is the candidate, we'll see a TV commercial with people who served with him saying he didn't deserve his medals.

[noahmijo]

11. highly agree and he is most electable for the right reasons

other than the fact that he hasn't been smeared, when the rovian smear job is unleashed he will not stand down and let them get away with it.

Let them question his service, one hole they are missing is that there are no stories floating out there of Clark being associated with "communist protestors" The man is a West Point grad who went on to become a 4 star general and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the crisis in Kosovo.

The only thing they will try to put on Clark is how he "almost started WW III" which can easily be debunked...not to mention it will be coming from the same crowd who backed the man that DID start WW III.

[Clark2008]

13. And Clark - in his own words - would beat the living shit out of 'em

for saying so.

:7

[HCE SuiGeneris]

Clark and and Edwards ticket for me!!!

[Clark2008]

12. Clark and his supporters helped Webb from before the primary

dust was settled:

http://www.webbforsenate.com/press/032906.php

These are the kind of men we need to win back the "red" states, many of whom are on the brink of becoming "blue" states with the right kind of leadership: like Clark and Webb. They're trusted in "red" states because of their military service. If that's what it take - that's what it takes.

[1932]

2. Why would we want to "masculate" Dems and emasculate Republicans?

A record number of woment will serve in the next congress. Some of the Democrat's best pick-ups were women who beat Republcian men. (And non-Fighting Dems had a 50 percent better chance of flipping Republican seats than the 42 "Fighting Dems" who were all white men except for one.)

Let them be macho bullshitters. Let us be CARING Democrats.

I just listened to Webb's comments on Lou Dobb's over in the video forum and it doesn't sound to me like Webb is letting masculinity be his motivating force. Sounds like his motivation is caring for people at the bottom of the power pyramid.

[Eric J in MN]

5. I think the point is that Jim Webb has appeal to men

...because of his style and background.

The fact that Jim Webb cares about economic equality doesn't detract from that.

[1932]

7. More married men abandoned Republicans and voted for Dems than married

women, and they were voting for women and Caring Democrats and they were voting against the macho flight deck cod piece bullshit of the last 6 years.

I'd like Democrats to give some more thought to what worked this year before they abandon candidates like Claire McCaskill.

[wilt the stilt]

8. you gat it

That is exactly right. They would love to run against Hilary. She is brillant but just to polarizing and I just don't think the country is ready for a women president. Before you flame me this is just an observation and not my beliefs. If you wanted to see a fascinating 2008 presidential run it would be Newt vs. Hilary. Can you imagine the firworks and the passion on both sides.

[Clark2008]

14. Southern women love military leaders, too.

It's the way we are raised.

The places the Democrats consistantly fail in the "red" states are their abilities to be strong on foreign policy and national defense (I know they were winning those polls in the 2006 elections, but NOT in the "red" states).

We need to shore that up.

We need to be the Single Parent party: Mommy on social issues and Daddy on foreign policy issues.

Period.

Women - who are primarily the single parent of society - can respect that.

[1932]

21. Last Tuesday, where did we learn that lesson?

Democrats did great all over the country. Where were they winning by emasculating Republicans?

And when do I get the page number for that Pelosi thing?

[greenman3610]

22. exactly. Webb is caring

plus he's got the macho creds.
everybody wins.

[RagingInMiami]

26. Because when it comes to "national defense" or "terrorism" issues

Many men and women still believe the republicans are better qualified. So the republicans will of course use that same old line. And the dumb ass americans will buy into it.

[1932]

27. Why's a "masculine" foreign policy right? Why pander to a bullshit framework

for seeing the world?

And what about all the democratic women who won last week in an election in which most people voting for them said that the Iraq invasion was their primary motivating factor for voting for these women and voting against Republican men in most cases?

[RagingInMiami]

28. Who the hell is talking "masculine"?

Wesley Clark is "experienced" in national security issues. And this has nothing to do with the cock between his legs.

[1932]

29. The OP.

"If we want to permanently emasculate the repub party..."

[melnjones]

3. What misogynistic bullcrap.

Yes, I love Wes Clark and will be campaigning for him again as soon as he declares, but what you just wrote is a load of crap.

[Clark2008]

15. I didn't think so...

See my post above: I think the Democrats need to become the Single Parent Party.

And, as you know, women are far more often the "single parent" than men. Not misogynistic, just realistic.

[originalpckelly]

9. I think you are right, but we have to search through anything he has said...

to make sure there is nothing bad there. We should investigate him before drafting him for President. If we don't get the muck now, he'll get mucked later during the campaign.

If he passes that test this man is the next President of the USA. He could be a Democratic US Grant or Eisenhower.

[capi888]

10. Wes Clark is Dr. of Strategy...

First of all , he would be the GOP's worst nightmare. The first swiftboating attempt would be answered with resounding FACTS...(beat the shit out of them) He has said more on the trail, campaigning for the dems in congress and (NOT) getting media coverage because his words resonnates with the American People. He is not mentioned as a contender, in ANY of the media lists of prospective candidates. I am not sure if that is one of Clarks strategies, or the media's who does want not to create any hype for his run. However, Wes Clark has been flying under the radar for the past 2 years, appearing on Fox to enlighten their viewers,(as much as possible) building his base, Top advisor for the Dems in the Senate, on world and foreign issues, flying overseas meeting with his contacts for months inbetween campaigning for 42 of the winners in Nov.7 election!
Knowing Wes Clark, is to know that he is for OUR COUNTRY first....bridging world wide respect, ending the war in Iraq with political and diplomatic means, meeting with the heads of countries in the middle east. He is a master of stategy, brillient, likeable by all who meet him...earthy...and has a plan for America's future...
Don't take my word for it, just listen to him...his policies were viewed as the best in 04, but started to late to gain the momentum...but that has all changed.....50 state...and he has been all over, with crowds standing in line. Most request, for appearences to support candidates in the election....what a guy....he is our HOPE!!!
OH yes and by the way, Wes was a strong , strong supporter of WEBB, and listed Webb and one of the smartest candidates we had running....

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. GREAT post!

Wes Clark was my guy in '04 and I'm praying he runs again. He could have won the primaries in '04 had he gone to Iowa, but...that was not to be.:( He knows he got in too late and will not make THAT mistake again.

The man is BRILLIANT! He had INCREDIBLE policy papers on Health Care, Women's Rights, Education, Economics, the Environment and Foreign Policy.

I met him 3 times. Once at a fundraiser in Chicago and the weekend before he dropped out of the race, my son and I had traveled, in a blizzard, to Nashville, TN. to work for his Nashville office. We had the pleasure of spending time with him in the office...he sat down in a chair right in front of me :loveya: and made a campaign call to a local Democrat. :) That was too cool for words. He also took my son by the shoulders and asked, "why aren't you in school young man?" My son told him his mom let him miss a day to work on his campaign. (It's education at its BEST...hands on);) The next night we went to the TN. Democratic Convention where we heard Al Gore speak and had the pleasure of spending more time with Wes in the meet and greet afterwards. I also had the JOY of talking to Wes Jr. out on the patio of that hotel while we both had a cigarette. He's just as incredible as his dad is! NICE, NICE men! BOTH of them. On our trip home from Nashville...I heard on the radio that Wes had dropped out of the race!:cry: Talk about UPSET!!...I was depressed for weeks.:( Such a shame. He was an AWESOME candidate.

Wes Jr. is a member of DU! He visited us quite often during the campaign, but I haven't seen him around since then.

I hope he runs again...do YOU have any inside info on that? Have you heard anything?

[capi888]

23. Thanks Incognito...

No inside info, however, I am a Capricorn like Wes, and can relate somewhat to what a goat (our sign) does when facing a decisions or problems. We have to think about it thoroughly, look to the top of the mountain, and keep climbing upward, while looking out for pothole steps to prevent slipping. Decisions and path have to be co-ordinated, and planned. While we continue to look at the top of the mountain. Wes is on the Path of a well planned strategy....which unfortunately the last time 2004 did not allow him the time to plan his path, and relied on others...watch out this time.If he runs, it will be his way!
Just my perspective on this...but the few times I have met and talked to him, he always amazes me in his brilliance! But, also, his ability to be just an ordinary guy, that you can walk up and talk too...

[RedCloud]

17. prepare for the swift boat ads then

I got sick of seeing the signs "Vets for Allen". I would think how many vets? All three of them? Yet where I live there are an unusually high number of military in the general population and Webb didn't carry this area.

I suspect the Democrats could run "General" Jesus Christ and the repugs would bring out how he turned the other cheek in times of need.

Note: It didn't matter that Allen didn't fight in Viet-Nam. And this was a time of war. That message never registered.

[Cameron27]

18. I almost wish they'd try.

Clark CAN and WILL fight back and he's got a cadre of fellow officers and troops behind him. Look what he did on fox tv, he had the rats running with their tails between their legs.

[alfredo]

19. Clark and Duckworth would drive the Swift boat liars crazy.

Clark is well liked in old and new Europe. Some countries see him as a hero.

Max Cleland would make a fine Veep, so would Murtha.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

20. I agree, something like this might be just what the doctor ordered.

[Ksec]

24. Switch that around, Wes Clark and Webb as vice President

Its a sure winner.

Centrist Dems who have Liberal traits along with guns and beer.

[sandnsea]

25. Nancy Pelosi already did it n/t

[Jcrowley]

30. Will they

cut the defense budget?