Is there any instance in history of a campaign manager like Rove being elevated to

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

the position of a guy who is actually involved in setting policy for his party and the nation?

Shit, man. Rove is a guy who dropped out of college to essentially run dirty tricks for Republican candidates, and that's all he really did, on successively larger scales.

Who the hell had the idea that he had some kind of brains to actually control the ideology and be some kind of grand visionary, setting the agenda for the thousand year Republican Reich?

WHAT WERE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING?!?!

And I'm still wondering did I DREAM of Bush actually saying in the wake of Katrina that ROVE was going to be in charge of the reconstruction effort? Surely he never said such a thing! Obviously he was REALLY talking about the reconstruction of Bush's image. That went about as well as the reconstruction of New Orleans.

I don't remember Atwater, or Carville, or Ed Rollins or any other such person making any pretense to be anything but a field marshal leading the troops to election victory.

I don't see why they would possibly have any use for him in the White House now. He has no more elections to win for Bush. I don't know why they would let him run the show for 2008 since his brand of propaganda has exceeded its shelf life.

I've always found it sickening and amusing at the same time, that the college dropout Rove actually taught some kind of course, presumably in political science, at the University of Texas. That's like having John Gotti teaching at your business school.

I wonder if he'll retire and be a professor, or instead sit on various corporate governing boards and collect tens of millions of dollars? :think:

[WCGreen]

1. Hamitlon Jordan and Jody Powell.....

Under Carter....

[AlinPA]

2. It is amazing to me that he has that much power. He controls everything

that comes out of the White House - hirings, firings, policy, decisions on "war" (I firmly believe that invasion was to get Bush** re-elected) and controls directions to their media.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. I agree with you on the political motive behind the whole Iraq War. I think

that Wolfowitz was a true believer in the whole PNAC agenda, but if Bush and Cheney had though their chances were better NOT going to war, they would have done that.

I just think that Rove sold them that by invading, the PNACers and Bush would both win.

I'm sure you remember at the time the propaganda about WMD/Saddam started heating up, seemingly out of NOWHERE, there was only bad news for Bush. Enron type corporate scandals every day and a crappy economy = one term palooka.

It worked for them, for a time, but they have basically broken our government, and Iraq's whole country, in doing so.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

4. Not to not change the subject, but what happened to Karen Hughes?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. Since there are no elections to win, I doubt if we'll be seeing much exertion from

Rove or Hughes in the next year or so.