Do we really want to DESTROY the Republican party?

[Rosemary2205]

Seems to me we need to destroy the post Goldwater cabal that has hijacked the RNC and force the Republicans to reorganize themselves with saner leadership. IMHO America benefits from 2 (or more) parties. I really don't see a one party system benefiting America. Without opposition the DNC would be just as corrupt.

Just MHO.




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[mmonk]

1. This is in reference to what point?

[texpatriot2004]

2. What we have now is NOT the Republican party. It's the party of

NeoCons and fundamentalist relgious types. The actual and true Republican party has been hijacked. There is nothing conservative, fiscally or otherwise about the Rethugs we have now; nor are they for small government...obviously.

[elocs]

26. I have tried to convince my retired Republican friend of this for years.

I think he has actually believed this for awhile, but has felt lost with nowhere else to go. This is the same "my country, right or wrong" crowd who have trouble letting go and will continue to back a bad idea or person "just because".

[texpatriot2004]

35. yes, and to that I say, "blind faith in failed policy is not patriotism"

I read it on a bumper sticker or something and it is so true.

[indepat]

30. The neocons and fundamentalist religious-type have hijacked and destroyed the GOP

[AnneD]

3. No...

we know what happens when you become a one horse town. We need at least 2 parties. But the GOP needs to purge the neocons. Just as we need to do some purging too.

[ClassWarrior]

4. Sure. Why not the Dems and the Greens? That'd be more in line...

...with the values of the American people.

NGU.

[sandnsea]

25. I agree

Let the free marketers become Libertarian and the radical religious be Constitutionalists. I really wish the Greens would grow up and learn how to speak to a larger portion of the country. They always look like petulant children, holding their breath in the corner until they get their way. They tend to think saving one tree is the same thing as passing a massive roadless law. Until they learn the difference, and the compromises necessary to get there, they'll always be a marginal party and leave room for Repubs to take over again.

[NaturalHigh]

5. Right on the mark.

Hopefully, the Republicans will recognize their mistakes and marginalize the right-wingers who are so gung-ho to send other people's kids off to war and oppose the chance for others to realize a chance at the American dream.

[sweetheart]

6. Help them?

I think we should reinforce for them, that everything they're doing is working. :sarcasm:

Then they won't change a thing and let the idiots completely decimate their party.

[Mabus]

15. Exactly

They're doing a great job on their own. They are destroying themselves. The top is imploding, the middle is defecting and the bottom isn't sure what to do.

Even better is that once the Democratic Congress is sworn in the press will have to cover them. When the GOP controlled Congress they hogged the limelight with their divisive issues. They stayed on point with their divisive crapola and it backfired. They claimed to be pro-life but used Terri Schiavo - backfire; they claimed to be anti-terror but went into Iraq - backfire; they claimed to be states' rights but have legislated things like NCLB for our educational system - backfire.

They hogged the cameras and pushed their "talking points" into prime time. With the Dems in charge, there will be investigations and the GOP will have to testify and turn on their own. They will take themselves down. And the media will have to cover it. The American people will finally understand what scandals have been going on while they were distracted the Gary Condit, a certain blue dress and gay marriage. Eventually the public will understand what has been kept from them. The public will remember that everything isn't black & white, right or wrong. Instead, the public will learn there are shades of gray. They will learn that there are choices. They won't get a daily dose of obsfucation but they will get a dose of reality. Watch for a lot more heads to explode.

[Book Lover]

7. While we have what amounts to a two-party system, there are many more

If the Republican Party no longer servs a purpose, let it go the way of the Whig and Know-Nothing Parties. Break one system of organization and others will form. Perhaps US conservatives need to re-organize.

[Jed Dilligan]

8. More, more, more

Without the big GOP menace we (Democrats) could separate into parties of conscience, not convenience, and not hate each other for it.

[HereSince1628]

9. What we need to destroy is their desire for one-party totalitarian control

Opposition is a great thing in politics. It forces compromise and moderation, it requires giving pause to hearing and considering an opposing view. The UniCons (movement conservatives driven to one-party control of the US) opposed that, utterly, and completely.

I hope that Democrats will always stop, listen, and think about suggestions AND criticisms. I'm not asking for a truce between the parties. Heavens, no! But I am hopeful that we have the capacity to let democracy work, to let arguments stimulate better solutions not dictated solutions.

[petronius]

10. I want a genuine conservative party (no matter how much I might disagree

with the positions that party took), but it doesn't have to be the Republican Party. Ideally, the real conservatives will take back the R.P., but if they don't I'd like to see an new conservative party arise. The worst case would be extended one-party dominance w/o significant input from a loyal opposition...

[Greyhound]

23. We already have two "conservative" parties, how many do you think we need? n/t

[elocs]

28. I have heard in Europe that they do view our liberals as being conservative.

[Greyhound]

34. If you want to test it try this. The next time you get into a conversation

with an amerikan "liberal" bring up the idea of forcing the insurance corporations out of health-care all together.

Sometimes their heads actually explode, so cover your drink first.

[Mythsaje]

37. My head won't explode...

I ABSOLUTELY agree.

[Greyhound]

39. Yeah, but you're one of those egghead elite libruls.

Dirty rotten commie pinko. :hi::D

[Mythsaje]

40. Well, yeah. I s'pose.

I think the insurance companies have too much power as it is.

I tell people that insurance companies and lawyers run this country (in collusion, no less). People will say "and business," but I remind them that business doesn't take a step without permission from insurance companies and lawyers.

[Greyhound]

48. Hear, hear.

I'd favor any measure that abolishes the whole industry as a fraudulent scheme perpetrated on the public at large. There is be a need for spreading the risks of various disasters among the community, and that aspect of insurance makes perfect sense, where it goes wrong is the profit motive.

A corporation, as they exists here now has one duty, and only one duty, that being to maximize profits for the shareholders. Using that model, it is obviously more profitable to collect premiums and refuse to pay claims. It is also much more profitable to only write policies that are written with such limited circumstances, that have no chance of ever being paid.

Top to bottom, the whole industry is simply legitimized extortion, and this gang doesn't even pay the winners.

[liberal N proud]

11. The political organization you refer to as the Republicican party is not

the Republican party of the past.
The change started with the things they did in the Iranian hostage crisis and progressed to the facist activities of the current regime.
This organization needs to be brought down to preserve the republic.
If that means destruction of the party so be it. The true Republicans must fix it from within or face the music, American voters can only be fooled so long.

[movonne]

12. I would like to see a moderate repug party...and a liberal dem party..

[uppityperson]

13. I want the republican party to change, want enough people to say "wait"

"this is NOT the Republican party I know or want to be part of" and to change it. Take it away from the arrogant fundamentalists and get it back to the people.

[BlueStater]

14. I don't want to destroy the Republicans

I want them to return to the way they were before all these assholes and nuts took over sometime during the Reagan years.

[badgerpup]

16. We need at least two parties because we're only human.

We need to be each other's conscience.

Don't flame me, please...power is a heady vintage and we've had six years of watching people who've overindulged come near asthis from ruining the country and setting off a nuclear war...and we're still not safe...just we've stepped back from the precipice a bit.

When Gaius Julius returned to Rome, victorious in battle and now Caesar, he was the BOSS...brass hat, top dog, king of the hill, ultimate authority.
He had a slave in the chariot with him to whisper the words
"Remember, you're only mortal."

Need I say more?

[LWolf]

17. I want to destroy the 2 party system.

I don't know about "we." I'd like to see the democrats and republicans both evolve, along with several other parties. I'd like to see the structure of the system change so that there was no "majority" or "minority" leaders, etc.; just representatives from many parties and perspectives that would come to the table to benefit all.

[WhollyHeretic]

18. I agree. We need more than two legitimate parties in this country.

[Rosemary2205]

20. Oh I agree

someone upthread mentioned no RNC would mean the DNC could split up into various parties. Of course it would also mean the RNC could split up into various parties. And more voices is always a good thing.

Though I wonder, human nature being what it seems to be, would they start up alliances and eventually meld back into one powerful party of some sort to dominate the others...........

[LWolf]

27. That's a good question.

I think some sort of proportional representation in Congress, with no "winner takes all" representation, might go a long way towards slowing that kind of momentum down.

I also think that some clear way to keep corporate and/or pac money and influence out of the room would help.

Some sort of system that would force politics to focus on issues rather than power-mongering.

[Vidar]

22. Absolutely. The two party system results in both parties being

owned by the same corporations.

[steve2470]

19. I want them to be 100% HONEST and ETHICAL

Otherwise, hell yes, they can go to hell.

[Greyhound]

21. Yes destroy the Grand Oil Party and the we can give the Democratic

Party the next two years to prove that they deserve to live, otherwise we just start all over with the next 5 - 10 parties and see where that takes us.

Since they have both become the parties of corporate amerika, neither has had the interests of the citizens at their core for decades.

[DeeDeeNY]

24. I don't think we really have the power to destroy them

or do anything else as far as that is concerned. All we did was win one election.
And if our election laws aren't changed, we might not win again for a long time. (They still have the connections to most of the electronic voting companies.)
But you're right concerning this cabal. My opinion is that if the Democratic Congress does hold them accountable for their illegal actions, that alone would actually help strengthen the Republican party. Weeding out this radical element would make it easier for their dignity to be restored and possibly more honest and moderate Republicans would once again have a voice.

[Strelnikov_]

29. Yes. Kinda Like The Parable Of The Scorpion And The Frog

I can't help myself. It is my nature

[Ferret Annica]

31. Yes

Absolutely and inequitably, yes.

[Renew Deal]

32. Yes

I'd like them destroyed as they are. Let someone else organize another party or change them.

[conscious evolution]

33. don't destroy them

leave enough to drown in a bathtub.

[boolean]

36. How about shifting it away from the far right?

Both the Democrats and the Republicans are in the far right. The GOP are further. There is no true Liberal party right now.

[Hubert Flottz]

38. Make no mistake...THEY WANT TO DESTROY US and...

I think the Bush Klan and the PNAC want to destroy the country! They want a New World Order. America isn't good enough for them.

[NNN0LHI]

41. We destroyed the Nazis. Same thing n/t

[Initech]

42. After what they did to us? What goes around comes around.

Now that they're down for the count, I say we hit the repukes with everything we've got.

[WinkyDink]

43. Why yes, yes I do. Can't find any redeeming features in it, myself.

[peanutbrittle]

44. They have been in self destructive mode for 12 years

but we can certainly help them along in their march over the cliff.

[zyguh]

45. YES....I want to actually destroy the Republican party

The crap started with that asshat Reagan. He who sent Baker and Buddies to negotiate with Iran so the hostages wouldnt be released until after the election. Who did actually cut taxes, and at the same time tripled defense spending .....meaning you know, spent more than ever before while making less than ever before. And none of the dumbasses in the Republican party seem to understand that Tax and Spend is better than Spend on Credit. With Tax and Spend you only spend what you have, and actually balance the budget and reduce the national debt....with the Repukes version you spend money you dont have and drive the national debt up thru the roof.

Alzheimer Ronnie who very nearly got the world blown up with his "Commies are wrong and we will always be at war with them no matter what" attitude......."Congress has just outlawed Russia. We begin bombing in 5 minutes" Hey f-tard, thats a great joke to tell in the middle of the cold war.

China is communist. They are still communist. Hmmmmmmmmmm.................if Ronald Reagan was so god-damn gung-ho about hating the commie's and so f-ing great at fighting them then why the hell did Communist China not once get drop out of "favored nation" trading status during his presidency? Why the hell would Crazy Ron ask the former ambassador to China to be his VP? Yes, that right, poppa Bush was also the Ambassador to China at one point in his career, so you know.......they might have been commies but they were commies that we had close personal ties to and lots of business investments with so are gonna make a fortune from so they dont really count as commies.

Iran/Contra................AAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Im gonna stop now because I could rant for hours and after the election that just happened Im not going to let myself get drawn into a bad mood over the Republicans anymore....

but, to answer your question.....YES, I REALLY want to destroy the Republican party.

[Codeblue]

46. Yes

But we need to have more parties than one. By destroying the Republican Party, it can be reformed into many separate parties, just as the Democratic Party should be reorganized into many separate parties. Then we'd have something close to real democracy in this country.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. YES. We do. They are BAD for this country and have proved that

every time they're in power. They're corrupt. Nixon.... Watergate. REAGAN.... Iran/Contra and Bush.... illegally invading Iraq, illegal wiretapping, killing habeas corpus, the Patriot Act, secret energy plans, Prescription drug plan written by the DRUG companies, the bankruptcy bill written by the credit card companies and bankrupting SS.

We wouldn't be left with one party. We have many other political parties. DESTROY the repuke party...they're corrupt and dangerous.

[sendero]

49. No.

.... the Republican Party is doing a fine job of destroying itself. What we need to accomplish is EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE for ALL AMERICANs.

[B Calm]

50. What goes up, must come down! They'll destroy on their own!