Who else thinks so many voted Democrat that it canceled out Diebold cheating?

[devilgrrl]

The last few days we've heard wingnuts (Coulter, that asshole actor on last night's 'Real Time' with Bill Maher) whine about people whining about Diebold and now that Democrats won back the house and Senate, why aren't lefties whining about Diebold now?

Personally, I still think Diebold stinks to high heaven and I still think they tried to swing the election for the GOP tuesday and I still think they'll continue to try to do so in 2008.

Am I mad?

You tell me.

[stepnw1f]

1. I Believe That is What Happened

and too much public awareness of the voting machines right before the elections.

[CitizenLeft]

18. yep

I think they figured that the overwhelming numbers against both Blackwell and DeWine in OH made it impossible to try to steal it there, as well as public awareness. Since that's where people were most looking for fraud, they think it didn't happen, or wasn't attempted. But what the hell happened in FL?

We need legislation NOW to get rid of the machines once and for all, forever, NOW, before the 2008 election... OR, replace the existing machines with auditable ones NOW. It's neither here nor there whether people think we were crying wolf or not - NOW is the chance to get rid of them, and ensure that 2004 never happens again.

[stepnw1f]

31. Our Job in Making People Aware

and pressuring our new leadership has just begun.

[durtee librul]

46. Ok, here's some tinfoil

for you - maybe they didn't screw with the machines THIS time to quiet all the naysayers up....then in '08, wham! They do it all again. I still do not think Rove et al is done with rigging elections. This may have been just a break for them as the 'heat' from Lou Dobbs and the media may have been too much.

BUT, we DO need to do something about the machines, there is no doubt about that.

[Rosemary2205]

2. Hubby and I discussed this on Weds

There must have been one hell of a tsunami to overcome all the cheating and then some.

[robinlynne]

3. Diebold is still cheating! There are 8-10 congressional races in trouble, still

counting, trying to count, votes disappeared. heads up!
Clint Curtsi in Florida
attorney general race in Florida
sarasota race in florida 18000 congresisonal votes "missing"
new mexico race described here by a DUer who is counting the absentees. "for each one ballot, the ledger said there were 2"
2 races in Ohio
san diego race

[Imagevision]

4. Unlike 2004, public awareness canceled out Diebold attempts via Rove...

Rove didn't have the balls to try it one more time, several times over. That was asking a wee-bit much from the genius-ball-less-boy.

[Kahuna]

21. This is my take on it too. They were spooked by the loud noises

coming from the activists. And also the mainstream media was finally starting to pay attention. The day they are ever found out tampering with elections there will be severe jail time handed out. They just didn't want to risk getting caught.

[skipos]

5. Pre-election polls were pretty consistent with actual results

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/writeup/election_2006_senate_scorecard-61.html

But there is still no reason to have our voting handled by such a flawed system.

[txindy]

6. Yes, but not just Diebold.

The exit poll numbers in VA and MT were out-of-line with all of the other numbers. Something seriously fishy was going on in those states and, Oh! What a surprise! The two losers will NOT ask for recounts even though they're the most belligerent twits around. Why? The repub leadership would never let the votes in those states be scrutinized carefally. Not a chance. And they certainly don't want close examination of the machines involved.

Oh, yeah, plenty of stealing went on, but the numbers helped to overwhelm them.

[tblue]

7. Diebold and vote suppresion. And that's why Burns & Allen didn't call for recounts!

[tblue]

8. self-delete.

[johnnie]

9. Diebold is still a sham

Out of 5 machines in my ward, 3 were down at 7 AM. An older gentleman behind me said "God damn electronic machines, you just need paper and a pencil" and a little after that a man in front of me turned to me and said "The payoff checks must not have cashed yet". I said, "Or they are still trying to figure out how to fix this election too" he laughed.

I think it would have been too obvious and they knew that.

[yellerpup]

10. I do! I do!

As in former campaigns, there were targeted races where the fix was in, but THIS TIME voting overwhelmed them. This is no time to slack off on Diebold; we can't get complacent.

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. And you still don't have a scintilla of evidence for the accusation

of deliberate fraud. The misplaced fixation on Diebold has hindered a serious discussion about voting systems. The deficiencies of DREs apply to all manufacturers and they were simply a bad idea.

[devilgrrl]

23. "a scintilla of evidence..."

Oh yeah? Explain what's happening in Florida right now....

[Fredda Weinberg]

26. With ES&S machines? The same shit as 2002

and 2004. It doesn't matter who made 'em - which is why a voter verified paper trail is necessary. But baseless accusations make it harder, not easier, to counter the public's growing acceptance of this risky technology.

[Vincardog]

37. We do not have to prove that they cheated. They have to prove that they are fair

That is what transparent elections are.

When they design a system they can game you buy their line when you ask us to prove they cheated.

I call BS on that FAUX reasoning

[Fredda Weinberg]

39. When you make unfounded accusations, you lose credibility

But go ahead, emulate the opposition by throwing whatever to see what sticks. It won't get us anywhere, but you'll feel better.

[devilgrrl]

42. "unfounded accusations" like Democrats being weak on security & raising taxes?

Is that what you mean?

[DearAbby]

54. It is not a question anymore..

There is a large portion of the population who has doubts about the integrity of these machines...warrented or not, there should never be a scant iota of doubt, about our elections. We all must be satisfied that the process is transparent and honest.

After all this is a free democracy..or is it? I say keep the pressure on. We have to get rid of those machines. Everyone benefits from an honest election...but you already know that. ;)

[Vincardog]

55. Are you saying they designed an open transparent verifiable process?

Name one untrue accusation I made, and quit projecting your argument on to me.

[Lars39]

27. And the elections still aren't transparently honest.

Doesn't matter if the fraud is deliberate or not if the ability to cheat exists.

[Greyhound]

43. Have you been under a rock for the last 6 years?

Or is it simply a case of

[Lindacooks]

50. Take a look at this. There's lot of evidence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x458020

[wakeme2008]

12. yes a number of posts on here had exit polls that

showed a different ratio than the final one.

IMHO Diebold did not press their luck and only moved a small percentage of votes or did not RECORD dem votes

[Kahuna]

13. I think Diebold got spooked by the loud noises from the activists

and swore off of tampering with this one.

[unblock]

14. honestly, it's amazing the elections were as close as they were

all the democrats i know voted.
most of the independents i know voted, and voted democratic.
none of the independents i know voted republican
many people i know who do not normally vote voted, and voted democratic.
many republicans i know did NOT vote.

how bad do things have to get for democrats to actually get a landslide?
i think we just had one, and if it weren't for the machines and the disenfranchisement, we would have seen it.

[BeatleBoot]

15. I saw HBO's "Hacking Democracy" Last Night and I Have to Admit

I thought the same thing after watching it.

Either they didn't set those counters back enough on those computer cards or they didn't do it because they knew they were being watched.

Bless you Bev Harris et al!!!!

[Gwerlain]

16. I said before the election...

it's only possible to steal a close one. Either this one wasn't as close as it seemed, or they didn't try it. In either case, Coulter is (as usual) lying.

[NancyG]

17. They want us complacent for 2008.

When they saw 2006 went overwelmingly Democratic, they sat on their hands, hoping there is no cry for checking the machines. Then, in 2008, BAM, we lose the presidency again.

I hope/expect the Dems in power to pass some resolution regarding the machines, and early on.

[Imagevision]

19. Diebold machines must be replaced with paper-trail machines, end of story!!

[sce56]

20. They knew the country was changing so they saved the Diebold option for 08!

Now it is time for us to get the new congress to fix the system before 08!















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Fascism Accomplished!

[Karenca]

22. I do. eom

[Strelnikov_]

24. Me. Look At VA MT FL For Starters n/t

[buddysmellgood]

25. Absolutely. There is LOADS of EVIDENCE. One just needs subpoena power

and the will to bring it to light.

[kestrel91316]

28. You're not crazy. I think that's exactly what happened.

[melody]

29. bingo n/t

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

30. Non-auditable voting STILL STINKS and STILL NEEDS TO GO.

If they Democratic majority does not address this, in the possibly BRIEF window of time they have to do it, they're crazy, or in on the game.

[shadowknows69]

32. I agree I think they were overrun

I shudder to think what our numbers would have been without their mischief.

[subterranean]

33. The voting machines are no more reliable, secure or transparent

than they were before the election. This is still an important that needs to be rectified.

[2Design]

34. yes n/t

[petunia.here]

35. Definitely

As others have stated here on DU, I know in my gut that's why there wasn't a big push for any recounts. An honest recount would expose some serious election fraud problems for the Repubs. Talk about embarrassing. Having all the tricks in the book stacked up on your side and still falling on your ass.

[pacalo]

36. I do, most certainly.

The numbers of people who were starved for a change in 2004 have only grown larger.

I've also been wondering about why Bush waited until after election day to announce Rummy's resignation firing. Here's my theory:

Poppy Bush & his Baker cabal are privy to the boy king's true approval ratings (probably shamefully in the 20's, or even teens). They're disgusted with the boy king's obstinance, so they decided to give him a public spanking. It was their idea to get rid of Rummy, but they withheld the firing until after the election so that the deed wouldn't help the Republicans. Perhaps they wanted a Democratic congressional majority because they felt it was the only thing that could keep the boy king in check.

2008 will be no-holds-barred against the Democrats. Election reform should be a top priority for the new Congress.

[DemBones DemBones]

38. I have thought the same and still want paper ballots and hand counts.

Modernization isn't always progress.

[Greyhound]

40. This is why a federal election standard has to be on the agenda

and must be enacted before 2008.

[Digit]

44. Absolutely!

[seabeyond]

41. yes, i think that is what happened. watching it thru out and 2004

and 2000... i think they went after mo and vg and possibly lieberman. i think those were the three they wanted to win. and i believe they have it so ingrained in florida those were missed with too. during early voting i was hearing tx and other states votes were flipping, then no more coverage on that. i think that is another way they steal vote. i think they didnt get vg and mo because of the overwhelming amounts of votes. i think they put it into effect when rove called hannity who in turned used radio chow? to virgianians out to vote in the evening

[photogirl12]

45. I think that is what happened.

I think that they didn't think that there would be so many voting Democrat.

[0rganism]

47. big picture: 2006 election doesn't matter, we still have to remove those machines

There's NO EXCUSE for the USA, which presents itself as some kind of model for democracy, to have as many problems and as vulnerable a voting system as we do. None. How do we know Democrats didn't win the house by a wider margin? They're still "recounting" in a bunch of states where voting irregularities were disturbingly regular.

Saying that "Democrats can still win a midterm election despite these shitty DRE machines" is hardly a reason to leave them in place for 2008, and we damn well deserve to lose everything if we let this problem slide.

Fortunately, I don't think Howard Dean is going to let it slide.

[suston96]

48. No, you are not mad....

Just because we won does not - I repeat, does not mean the system works.

In fact, I believe we missed out on 10, maybe 15 more House seats and maybe 3 Senate seats due to corrupted machinery.

Lemme ask: anybody know of a reliable source for exit polls? Betchya cannot find one. If you did you would see that I am correct.

And I am not mad either.

[Lindacooks]

49. Yep, it was too much for them to steal.

THAT should be one of the first measures taken by the new Congress - DECERTIFY DIEBOLD and reinstitute paper ballots, paper trails, and the recount.

Without that, we don't have a democracy.

[Hubert Flottz]

51. My read too.

First thing I thought of wednesday morning. That snake ain't dead yet!

[SoCalDem]

52. I think they lost the votes they thought they could count on

lots of Goopers vopted dem..after telling the pollsters they were voting GOP..
:evilgrin:

[earth mom]

53. I was just saying this to hubby the other night.

Though they got away with it in some places though like California where Arnold won which I find very suspicious to say the least! :tinfoilhat:

[roseBudd]

56. I think voting machine manufacturers struggled just to get the tabulation programs delivered on time

for the elections. Remember software development is incredibly time consuming. Counties were using for the first time newly purchased machines. It will be easier and less time consuming to deliver the software updates for '08. So there would be more time for rogue programmer(s) to create trojan horses.

I also believe heightened scrutiny made it too risky.