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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:26 PM
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Cheney to be forced out? so new VP can have perks in 08 campaign?

anyway------from the Madson Report:

November 10/11/12, 2006 -- According to Washington insiders, there are moves afoot to dump Vice President Dick Cheney and replace him with either John McCain or Rudolph Giuliani prior to the 2008 presidential election. Whoever succeeds Cheney will be able to campaign for the presidency with the perks that come with being an incumbent Vice President.

Since the increasingly-besieged Cheney has signaled he has no intention of voluntarily stepping down, the strategy by the Bush camp may be to force him out by presenting evidence before Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald that it was Cheney who was responsible for the compromise of CIA non-proliferation covert officer Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates cover firm.

Observers note the unusual professional relationship between Fitzgerald and Karl Rove's defense attorney Robert Luskin. Insiders believe that Fitzgerald may be proffered a carefully crafted deal by Luskin whereby Rove will testify to Cheney's primary role in the outing of Mrs. Wilson and her firm. The sealed indictment of Rove will then be retired permanently. If such a deal is worked out, Fitzgerald may then offer a deal to Lewis I. "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former Chief of Staff, to also testify against Cheney. With such double-barreled testimony, President Bush will then be compelled to ask Cheney for his resignation or face a very nasty and public indictment.

The game plan appears to be what DC insider Sally Quinn foresaw in her Washington Post op-ed last month, an article that suggested she has spoken extensively to a Donald Rumsfeld who was aware of his impending firing. The op-ed stated that Rumsfeld would not be the scapegoat for Iraq and planned to resign shortly after the election. Quinn, seemingly channeling Rumsfeld, stated that after Rumsfeld left, there will be only two scapegoats left: Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. The article concluded by asking which person would be served up as the official scapegoat for Iraq.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:30 PM
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1. If Wayne says so, it must be...
...um, never mind.;)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:33 PM
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6. te he. He is a gossip yet it is an interesting idea.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:30 PM
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2. Giuliani maybe, McCain never.
The Bush crowd loathes McCain and tolerate him publicly. If Lynne Cheney allow Dick to go away (I really doubt it as she'd make Martha Mitchell look like a church mouse), the Bush cabal would favor either Condi Rice and/or Giuliani. Not McCain. He's tried hard to earn their trust, but doesn't have it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:38 PM
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9. True n/t
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:30 PM
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3. Forcing DeadEye out would be the ultimate
dirty election trick. Has there ever been a situation where a VP has "resigned" in order to allow a presidential hopeful to get the inside position prior to election? I abhor DeadEye as much as the next person, but even more I hate the idea of the Rethugs playing the fix-it game.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:32 PM
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4. link here
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:32 PM
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5. Scary stuff
As much as I hate Cheney, I hate the thought of an elected official being forced out strictly (well mostly) for partison political gain is just about the worst possible precedent that could be set.

For better or for worse (yes much the worse), Cheney was elected and deserves to finish his term unless
well on his way to impeachment and removal (a la Nixon).
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:50 PM
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13. Not the first time
It was widely believed that Agnew's resignation was engineered by higher ups in the republican party when they realized that Nixon was going to have to resign or be impeached. Since they did not want Agnew to be pres they dug into his background and found a fairly small potatoes (by today's duke Cunningham standards anyway) bribery case and got local Dem prosecutors to go after him.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:20 PM
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16. "worst possible precedent..." - Not
It might be right up there, but I think lying to Congress to start an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation would top just about everything else. It even kin of makes stealing an election or three pale by comparison.

I don't think Cheney should be forced out either, unless it's by way of impeachment, and WITH his co-defendant, George Walker Bush.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:33 PM
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7. I figured this was the plan from Day 1.
Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen before January '07 when the new congress is sworn in.
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jensmygov Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:34 PM
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8. link?
LINK?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:39 PM
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10. see # 4
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:49 PM
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11. why would either want to be directly linked to *?
seems like political suicide to me.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:50 PM
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12. Yawn. Why waste time with this gossip?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 08:56 PM
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14. cause just because. ...Cheney is next on the chopping block.
.........Cheney is next on the chopping block.

The game plan appears to be what DC insider Sally Quinn foresaw in her Washington Post op-ed last month, an article that suggested she has spoken extensively to a Donald Rumsfeld who was aware of his impending firing. The op-ed stated that Rumsfeld would not be the scapegoat for Iraq and planned to resign shortly after the election. Quinn, seemingly channeling Rumsfeld, stated that after Rumsfeld left, there will be only two scapegoats left: Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. The article concluded by asking which person would be served up as the official scapegoat for Iraq.

This editor wrote, "based on the arrival of James Baker and a coterie of George H. W. Bush old hands on the scene to bail out Dubya, it is clear that the Bush family does not intend to allow one of its own to be declared scapegoat."

With word from White House sources that Cheney was opposed to the sacking of his old mentor Rumsfeld and even more resistant to the naming of Bush family loyalist Robert Gates to take his place, it is clear that Cheney doesnot want to be placed in a position of exposure. However, even Cheney neo-con allies like Richard Perle and Ken Adelman, sensing that Cheney is the designated scapegoat, have bellowed about the Iraq war being a mistake and are now distancing themselves from the Cheney group, once the most powerful operating cell within the Bush administration.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:11 PM
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15. Rove is small potatoes when Fritz can go after Cheney


Observers note the unusual professional relationship between Fitzgerald and Karl Rove's defense attorney Robert Luskin. Insiders believe that Fitzgerald may be proffered a carefully crafted deal by Luskin whereby Rove will testify to Cheney's primary role in the outing of Mrs. Wilson and her firm. The sealed indictment of Rove will then be retired permanently. If such a deal is worked out, Fitzgerald may then offer a deal to Lewis I. "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former Chief of Staff, to also testify against Cheney. With such double-barreled testimony, President Bush will then be compelled to ask Cheney for his resignation or face a very nasty and public indictment.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:57 PM
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17. It would be the Hubert HUMPHREY curse
Being LBJ's veep neutered him.
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