BREAKING:David Gregory says Gore "wants to get into" the '08 race

[kpete]

BREAKING:David Gregory says Gore "wants to get into" the '08 race!!!!
by PLS
Sat Nov 11, 2006

On the Tim Russert show this week, Tim and 3 other's including David Gregory dissected the '06 elections. Lot's of the same stuff we have been hearing, and then at the end they started talking about the upcoming race in '08. All agreed that McCain and Billary might have trouble about their stances on the war. Russert pointed out that in '04 only Howard was against the war, and now Obama is huge due to his opposition.

Then Tim says, There is one other guy who was against the war who was in the Senate, and served in the White House, Al Gore. As he spoke his face lit up and his eyes twinkled.


At that point Davis Gregory chimed in, He wants to get into it, I know he does. Gregory didn't explain how he knows this, but sounded very excited and confident. As a psycotherapist, one learns to read body language and verbal cues like tone and facial expression. One thing is sure, Gregory believes this whole heartedly.

No wonder Carville was sending shots Dean's way. After Dean won the chair, one pundit said that Gore was the big winner, should he choose to run again.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/11/201850/78

[aquart]

1. He damn well should.

If only to focus the dialog.

[jhain]

38. Great. Just Great

Now how am I supposed to get to sleep? I was finally calming down from Tuesday!!!

My kids are ready to use a tranquilizer gun on me.

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[NastyDiaper]

130. o_O

I'm going to avoid the temptation to spend the day tracking down his gregor's sources.

I can't take the stress.

[Snotcicles]

156. Try the new improved tranquilizer patch, it works for me. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

2. I can go for that.

:thumbsup:

[txindy]

8. Absolutely!

:applause: :patriot:

[calimary]

21. So could I. He might actually be able to heal this nation. And he's

OWED. BIGTIME. It'd be awfully nice to see him elevated to his rightful place in the Oval Office - the job bush stole from him.

116. He's poised with the sympathy of many...

for his selfless devotion to our greatest causes. And he's taken his licks and come out more Human as a result. I sure as hell hope he runs, because He stands a better chance than anyone of reclaiming the White House... and you're right, HE's OWED.

[HeeBGBz]

He's my guy

Go Al!

[originalpckelly]

3. I hope he fairs better than the other VP who ran in a year ending in 8

and was in an election supposedly stolen at the beginning of a decade.

This is the '60s all over again, isn't it? I just knew it. But where the hell is the LSD?

[man4allcats]

10. "But where the hell is the LSD?"

If you find it, let me know. :hippie:

[Beam Me Up]

81. Millions of people live on LSD in Chicago

Lake Shore Drive, that is.

[man4allcats]

89. Thanks!

I'll remember that if I ever again get to the Windy City. :hippie:

[conscious evolution]

138. A friends wife says when the Dead came to town

the electronic hiway sigbs would say

Take LSD to Dead show

[PegDAC]

170. No text, just this

:-þ)))

[waiting for hope]

11. Edwards!

[lildreamer316]

65. I want them both.

I'd love a Gore/Edwards ticket, which positions Edwards for a great run for the main office too.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. If this is the 60's then we'd have someone like Kennedy and Johnson in the White House

I'm not seeing it.

[NewJeffCT]

72. Nixon won in '68 and then

won in a huge landslide in '72.

And, you can be damn sure there would be no Watergate under Gore, or Iran-Contra, or Iraq.

[jobycom]

149. Poppy Bush?

:) If you count the October Surprise and Reagan stealing Carter's debate notes as a type of theft...

[Bozita]

4. I watched the program -- It replays at 10pm and 1am ET

Lotsa candor in that hour!

[janx]

13. NBC?

?

[Bozita]

no, CNBC -- one of NBC's cable stepchildren

[janx]

50. TNX--will try to find on direct TV. n/t

[tk2kewl]

5. Gore/Clark 2008

[Quixote1818]

47. I will second that. nt

[madmax]

49. Oh yes!! Gore/Clark

[PegDAC]

171. The ONLY candidate

I'd accept Clark as VP with...

[danimich1]

76. Yes! Gore/Clark '08

Perfect ticket.

[renate]

82. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[NancyG]

85. Holy crap YES - Gore/Clark nt

[ourbluenation]

95. that's a winner! n/t

[civildisoBDence]

123. Gore/Clark or Edwards/Clark would be strong tickets,

much stronger than Gore/Edwards, I think.

Newsprism

[PegDAC]

172. I'd rather have Clark/Edwards n/t

[leesa]

125. Prefer Feingold, but I'll take Clark.

[man4allcats]

6. He'd get MY vote.

I voted for him the first time he won the Presidency, and I'll vote for him again if he chooses to run.

[stonecoldsober]

163. Yeah, I'll keep voting for him until it "takes"

:patriot:

[ballaratocker]

7. To be honest...

I hope he doesn't and I don't say that as I now have a lot of respect for the man. I think he is more effective as a non-politician. He is not surrounded by the consultants and image advisors and has become comfortable in his own skin. Thusly, he has been able to just simply tell it as it is.

[trumad]

25. image advisors is a myth made up by Rove and gang

[ballaratocker]

34. Well maybe not image advisors.

But basically hangers on whose advice was useless. We saw a couple of days ago how useless their advice really was (Say what about a 50 state strategy?)

[trumad]

42. Remember this...

Gore came back from a poll deficit at the beginning of the election to beat punk as Gore by 500,000 votes.

[DesertRat]

66. you mean Gore beat bush by 500,000 votes. n/t

[trumad]

103. Whoopsie

yep, that's what I meant... (hit head with a hammer)

[SouthernBelle82]

71. Or what he could do

is tell them to fuck off and he can do what he thinks is best. If Kerry runs again he should do the same and all the other candidates too.

[laheina]

105. I think that those are the reasons why he *should* run :)

He's really come into his own in the last few years, and all of the lessons that he seems to have learned would make him a better candidate, imo.

I just think that there aren't any candidates out there that have his experience and appeal.

[JNelson6563]

135. That's right, he's faced "death"

and no longer fears it.

[PegDAC]

175. Actually, I agree.

I'd much rather have Clark as President, given the state of things.

[Shakespeare]

9. Gore/Obama. And we get the WH for 16 years. n/t

[calmblueocean]

16. Gore/Obama would be a killer ticket.

Honestly, I'd be happy with Gore/Obama or with Obama/Anyone-but-Hillary.

I think 2008 is going to be Obama's year, and one way or the other, either as VP or as presidential candidate, he should be on the ticket.

[ManWroteTheBible]

235. and time...

I figured it was only a matter of time before a Hillary-hater spoke up. I like Al. I would vote for Al again without question. I'm gonna vote for the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T in 2008. Even if it's Kerry again - and I personally don't think he should, nor do I want Kerry to run again. But like Kerry, Gore caved. That still sticks in my craw. I personally would love to see another Clinton in the Whitehouse. Obama is a great speaker. I most definitely see presidential material - but like Edwards, it would be too soon for the top name on the ticket. Edwards might have a better chance now. As Carville has said, the guy works a room better than Clinton (Bill). Everyone who automatically discounts HRC (knowing the "Big Dawg" is right behind her) is crazy - IMO. I'm still trying to figure out what it is about her that so many of us Dems hates. Does she have to be as charismatic as Bill? This isn't about nepotism or entitlement - that's the Bushes. I think most people here hold "Big Dawg" in pretty high regard. He says she'd make a great president. Why isn't that endorsement good enough? If it were about nepotism, hell, Chelsea would make a better president than the shrub - and everyone here knows it.

I'm gonna make my decision on the candidate I vote for in the primaries when I see all of them side by side. Regardless of whether or not the person I want to win wins, I'm voting for whoever gets the nomination. I challenge the Hillary-haters to do the same - even if it's HER.

[Poiuyt]

19. That would be my dream ticket

[ClayZ]

20. My Dream Ticket! K and R

[MODemocrat]

44. Who's R?

Assume K is for Kerry.

[laheina]

106. If the poster didn't mean

kicked and recommended, then I'd go for Richardson. ;)

[MODemocrat]

151. That makes sense, saw on rawstory Richardson thinking about running

Thanks.

[Divine Discontent]

191. nope

their "dream ticket" comment was a reply to post 9, that said Gore Obama was there choice. At this point, I'll take anyone GLADLY except Hillary. I really like Boxer, Gore, Clark, Obama and even Kerry, but I know he won't get it. So one of those 4, and any of them for VP mentioned in this post, along with Feingold.



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[Olney Blue]

28. The seasoned brilliant veteran and the young, brilliant wonk. I love it.

[kestrel91316]

54. I could get behind that.

[loyalsister]

112. I like that ticket too

Some creative soul came up with "sweet home Al-Obama"

[madmusic]

119. Obama if too fundie. Sorry.

[Justyce]

221. I agree... maybe he just hasn't grown on me yet, but

I'd support him if it came down to it of course. I'd love to see Gore/Dean though!

[crispini]

120. The hair just stood up on my arms.

Oh yea.

[MaggieSwanson]

152. That one works for me.

:hi:

[connecticut yankee]

202. I've been saying that for months

They would be the strongest and best ticket we could get.

Not only that, they would do the best job.

[Rose Siding]

213. That's been my pick, too.

I'd even consider Richardson or Hillary in the second spot.

There've been too many tickets with two white men for too long.

[Black Adder]

222. I think you are correct................n/t

[janx]

12. Until we know HOW Gregory knows this...

:shrug: how do we know?

[Kahuna]

22. Are you saying this is an unknowable known?

:shrug:

[janx]

46. AARRGGHHH!

:rofl:

He's gone, isn't he? Or did I only dream it?

[liberal N proud]

14. That make two of the 5/6 that I predict will make the run

Vilsack is already in, The rest of my predictions for the Iowa Caucus: Gore, Edwards, Clinton, Obama and maybe Finegold.

[Indiana_Dem]

45. I know for a fact Bayh is going to run, too.

He will announce at the end of this year.

[liberal N proud]

48. Hmm, Never even thought about him

[Indiana_Dem]

51. He also has some ties to the Kennedy's....

I learned from a thread in the Indiana forum. His father, Birch Bayh, a 3 term Senator from Indiana beginning in the 60s, was in a plane crash in the 60s with a Kennedy (forget which one, Ted?). His father has been friends with them ever since.

[Horse with no Name]

129. And the moment is over

Why not just vote Republican?

[WinkyDink]

83. I think he's as bland as oatmeal. Soporific.

[IndyOp]

109. Do you have connections to Bayh? Can you talk him out of it?

He is NOTHING except for Birch Bayh's son. Birch is/was a true populist. Evan is nothing. No leadership, no vision, nothing.

:puke:

[w4rma]

100. Fiengold is out. That made me sad. But the Gore hint makes me happy.

Feingold rules out 2008 run for president
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=529983
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2610745

[PegDAC]

173. Feingold

has definitively said he's not runmning.

[PegDAC]

174. My husband's family is in Iowa,

and he'd never even HEARD of Vilsack.

[sueh]

183. Isn't Vilsack the governor of Iowa??

[sabbat hunter]

225. governor of iowa

Vilsack is the governor of Iowa. he is fairly well known. I am from NYS and i know who he is.

[PegDAC]

177. Wes Clark will be there. n/t

[dalaigh lllama]

17. Gore running?

That would be a dream come true. IMO he's the only one with the experience and the smarts to get us out of the mess we're in.

[PegDAC]

176. Actually

Clark equals, if not beats, Gore in that department.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. When I saw that Gore do the spoof of his first 6 years in office on SNL

It immediately made me realize what we have missed out on because of a stolen election.

[DesertRat]

67. Me too. It was so funny, but sad at the same time.

So many times I've thought "if only"....

[UofAWildcatJoanne]

23. WOOHOO!

You know, Noah and I are wishing and hoping for a "Clark/Gore 08" ticket!!! That would be an unstoppable combo, we think!

[Island Blue]

24. If Gore should enter the race and win the nomination,

I sure as hell hope he makes a better VP choice than he did in '00. Talk about your botched jokes. Geez. (Other than that, I think if Al wants to enter the race he should, as should anyone else who wants to.)

[Trajan]

26. I love Albert Gore ....

I recently saw him at The Rose Garden, in Portland, Oregon.

At the end of His discussion of Global Warming, there was a Q&A period ...

One of the audience members told Al that he had started a website whose sole purpose was to convince Vice President Gore to again run for the highest office, and to collect donations for that cause ... That he knew Gore WOULD win .. again ... if he were to jump in the race ....

The audience, of course, erupted into loud applause, and Al, being his typical modest self, was so embarrased AND appreciative of the crowds approval .....

But then he got very serious : He said he was deeply moved by the sentiments, and that he understood how so many people want him to try again ... but: he was done with elective politics ....

Albert Gore wants NO part of an elective campaign, with all of the ugliness and stress .... He LIKES His life as it is now .... He is an advisor to great nations, he is deeply involved with those subjects which move him most ... the causes that motivate his soul ....

It was sad to hear it from his own lips, because I truly adore Albert Gore as a human being ....

But he was speaking truth .... Albert Gore will NOT run for President of the United States ....

Again : Albert Gore will NOT run for President of the United States ....

As much as I want him to run, I think I would rather he be happy in his place in the world ...

IF running made him happy, then by all means, he should, and he would get MY vote before any other candidate ...

But he wore his heart on his sleeve that evening in October ... and I believe him ...

Albert Gore will NOT run for President of the United States ....

Having said that : I bet he would be as awesome a Secretary Of State as he is a steward of the environment ....

I have no idea what David Gregory is talking about ....

[oregonjen]

33. Listening to Thom Hartmann the next morning...

Thom thought that he definately would not run again. He noted that Gore's body language and facial expressions were saying "no."

[Trajan]

35. Hey Jen ....

LONG time, hun ....

Thom read it absolutely correct .... That is exactly the impression I got from the Vice President .... He was being VERY honest about his feelings .... he does not want to run ...

BTW: Where ya been ? .. We miss you ....

[oregonjen]

43. Hey Trajan!

Miss you guys too! The times haven't worked for me. I'm working again, so I spend the weekends catching up with household chores and errands. After the holidays, I'll be able to go to some meet-ups. I did manage to have fun last Thursday going to the Dixie Chicks with my daughter. It was soooo fun to celebrate our victory with them!

Hope to see you soon! :hi:

[CitizenLeft]

88. you two are breaking my heart

... Gore/Edwards (or Gore/Obama)... I had my fingers crossed. It would be - it could]/i] be - a great ticket. I hope he changes his mind. I think he would win again, I think some of the people who voted Dem this week are the same people who would smack themselves in the head today and say, I shoulda voted for Gore. We'd pick up some disillusioned moderates and conservatives for sure.

[IndyOp]

108. So, in fact, is his weight...

I love his weight. I don't care if he gains more or loses a ton.

Nonetheless, I fully understand the concept of carrying extra-weight in order to avoid situations you don't want to have happen. Many, many women who were sexually abused as children (or adults) gain weight knowing, at least unconsciously, that the weight will keep men away.

Al Gore was never overweight until he became a once again viable candidate for President.

His current weight says he doesn't want to run. I hope WE can help him over his fears about running, his concerns about being effective.

If he starts losing weight, then I'll believe he is ready to run. And he won't have to work at losing the weight for the approval of others -- it will drop off when he is ready.

Remember the quotes from the end of "Inconvenient Truth"? My favorite: "If you pray: Pray that people have the courage to change. And as the African Proverb says: When you pray, move your feet."

I pray that Al has the courage to change. While I pray, I'll also move my feet -> Time to write him a letter and say how EXCITED I am to hear that David Gregory said that he is considering a run.

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Laelth]

131. Very interesting theory.

I find it compelling. Thanks for sharing that.

-Laelth

[RestoreGore]

141. Well Said

I actually believe he would make a fantastic U.S. Ambassador for Planet Sustainability (a new cabinet post perhaps?) I tried to get the UN to establish a Global Environmental Ambassador with Mr. Gore as their first choice, but they replied that it was not a position they were looking into at this time. However, he did his presentation for the UN a couple of weeks after my letter so I hope it was part of the reason. He just connects with this issue. It is what sets him on fire, what moves him. The environment is his soul, and more than anything after all he has been through I just want him to be happy, and this is most definitely an issue we need people like him advocating for, especially now.

[OnionPatch]

168. I saw him in Redlands last week and I got the same impression

He was asked twice during the Q and A and seemed pretty sincere that he was not in the frame of mind to run right now. He said he felt he could do more good for the world if he kept working on global warming. I left feeling that he does not want to run. :(

[RestoreGore]

189. He has been waiting along time to do this

I am happy for him and will continue working with him on it because it is that important. He really is passionate when giving this presentation, isn't he? I haven't seen him do it in person yet, but hope to one day.

[OnionPatch]

236. Yes, he was great! I was impressed.

I love Al and wanted to see him but I thought the presentation might be a little dry. It wasn't at all! He was passionate, like you say and also warm and funny. I really, really wish he would change his mind and reconsider running. America loves him .... and needs him. And surely the presidency would give him ample opportunity to fight global warming.

[RestoreGore]

240. He said this in a LIFE magazine insert...

dated June 23rd of this year:

"I miss the ability to influence events, but I don't miss politics."

I think that explains his feelings clear enough, and I don't blame him one bit. And I think he will influence events very much with the resources he has at hand now and to him that is really the most important thing. He did his time in politics for over a quarter of a century, and now wants to enjoy what he is doing while devoting his life to something truly worthwhile for the world. I certainly am not going to begrude him that, and yes, I can understand why some would love him and want him to serve in a presidential capacity. I just don't believe he really wants it now in his heart as he once did, and in that case he should be left to making his own decisions. Thanks for your response. BTW, did you happen to notice more security around him at the event you attended? I am wondering if he is getting any threats for doing this presentation. I hadn't noticed heightened security around him until I read an interview he gave in London that he has bodyguards.

[smoogatz]

27. Gore/Obama, Gore/Clark

Go Big Al!

[Balderdash]

114. Gore and anyone

but I like Clark and Obama.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. please, please, please

My fingers are gonna get so cramped keeping them crossed until he says yes.

[Trajan]

40. You MIGHT want to unclench yer fingers ...

long enough to grab a brewski .....

I would love it if he would .... I dont think he will ...

Hey : WE need to have a post election Meet-Up .. maybe mid month .... Just to celebrate our good fortunes last week ....

I would do it ....

[savemefromdumbya]

56. Can you imagine what the primary would be like?

what % of democrats would vote for gore? I've heard it may be around 69%

[napi21]

30. I don't think Gore will succeed. It's a sad tale but most voters

seem to be looking for entertainment in their campaigns. Al Gore certainly is NOT an entertainer!

Why do you think Shrub had such a close vote in 2000? Remember the "You'd like to have a beer with him."

I'm old enough to remember JFK. I was too youmg to vote then, but I loved that guy, and so did almost every other young American. He was articulate, very handsome, and could pull off a lot of jokes very well.

Compare that description to Gore or Kerry. Neither one could.

I'm looking for an articulate, straight forward, likeable candidate in 08. THAT's what will win the election.

[txindy]

52. Maybe that's what they used to look for in elections. They may have evolved.

They don't want to have a beer with Junior these days. They want responsible, mature leadership.

[napi21]

60. You're right on Shrub, but I'm afraid you over-rate the American voter.

I'm not going to lie here. Even I am attracted to one candidate over another by how I respond to that candidate as a person. You might have one candidate with the greatest ideas you've ever heard, but if I can't feel some positive response to that candidate, they're just not getting my vote.

I guess it comes down to who do you trust.

[txindy]

91. Good point, but I think there's an example of voters's ambivalence about 'nice guys'.

Lincoln Chafee. I don't believe the voters of RI had anything against him. Quite the contrary. But Chafee has that (R) next to his name, so out he went.

I could talk about Macaca Allen's previously substantial popularity in VA, too, but I'd make myself queasy. Once his true colors hit the light of day, though, he was toast.

I think it'll all come down to how well the candidate presents him/herself, not to mention how these next two years pan out. Depending on how Junior finishes his term, the public may not want another repub anywhere near the WH for quite some time. :shrug:

[peacetalksforall]

160. I think Al has great wit. He accepted bad advice. I'm for Al. I

think his chances would be excellent.

In all those months of campaigning, the right wing could come up with nothing on him so they resorted to the color of his shirts, his wooden style, his son, and swift boat lies. The right wing propaganda corporations did a number on him. They went from there to pump up as well as excusing and acting in order to glorify George. All despicable and transparent.

They can't go back to where they were in trashing Gore if there is any ounce of decency in them and the their corporate owners.

Al is clean. His family is clean. He can be free of the DLC dictums on him. There is no tenseness about his relationship to Clinton because Clinton is now well loved (except by the regulars) and everyone acknowledges that the clamor over the impeachment was a waste - a contaminated, disgusting waste that was set-up, funded, orchestrated by the right wing.

The ugliness of the characters assassinations can't be dug up again. The same is not true for some others.

I can only start out by supporting candidates who spoke out and/or voted against the war and/or the Patriot Act.

There is no wiggle room for me at the present time.

Gore-Feingold. I can still hope.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

31. Gore/Edwards

They were both screwed out of their shot, and deserve another one. Together, they'd be unbeatable!

[IndyOp]

107. Yes! Gore/Edwards - Environment and Social Justice!

With Wes Clark named in advance as Secretary of Defense!!

And John Kerry gets a whole neckful of medals of honor!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Herman74]

237. My Dream Presidency, with one minor change...

The General as Secretary of State, just like General George Marshall was (who, as we know, won the Nobel Peace Prize).

[Peace Patriot]

32. Okay with me. He's given some stupendous speeches in the last 3 yrs.--

passionate, highly focused, brilliant--on matters like Bush regime abuse of power, Constitutional issues, and Bush moral degradation of our country (torture). Very impressive. The man was on fire. Very different Gore from '00.

I would sure like to see somebody who was elected, and whose election was stolen, enter the White House. I think we need to RESTORE ORDER. AWe need a RESTORATION (as with Charles II), return to rightful rule. I've been saying this about a Gore/Kerry '08 ticket, but Kerry blew his comeback with his stupid joke, and, anyway, there's still a lot of bitterness about his abandonment of the fight in Ohio (so much fraud there--so egregious), whereas Gore fought hard in FLA. There are no hard feelings about Gore. The Supreme Court stole it from him. And it was actually proven later (just after 9/11) that he won.

I have serious differences with both men--Gore, on NAFTA, Kerry on the war. But I was willing to put MY notions aside in favor of who I believe the American people voted for. And I believe both men were elected president. That's very important to me--the will of the people being done. But I never did think Kerry could win back the presidency on his own. Had to be Gore/Kerry, with Gore in the top spot. Now I think Kerry would be a drag on a Gore ticket, even if he WAS elected in '04 (and I know he was, in a landlide, too--by 5%).

I think Gore would carry the election away--60% of the vote maybe more (if we have transparent vote counting by then). He's become that good as a speaker. And he has a commanding presence. He's very sure of his ground. I think there would be a tremendous celebration in this land when he gets inaugurated. Dancing in the streets! Great joy and relief.

He's also one hell of a smart guy. I'm not at all sure of him on the global corporate agenda, and I don't want ANY president having "unitary executive" powers. But as for someone who would win, and win big--whatever my disagreements with him--I'm sure Gore's the best choice.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

36. If the election were today, I think it would be his to lose.

There is a huge groundswell of support for this thoughtful, intelligent, experienced man. But so much can change and will change between now and Nov. 2008. We'll have to just wait and see what the future brings.

[Red Right and BLUE]

37. Let it be true!! nt

[CrazyForKucinich]

39. Gore/Kucinich Gore/Feingold

[Hun Joro]

62. Gore/Kucinich would be my dream ticket

[dweller]

94. savor ...

thanks to John Kleeb, from who i 'stole' this photo when he posted it here many moons ago.

may it come true.
dp

[magellan]

104. Many would probably consider that too "liberal" a ticket

...but Gore/Kucinich would definitely get my vote. What a beautiful photo!!

I'd also go for Gore/Feingold without hesitation.

[MaggieSwanson]

153. *savoring*

Nirvana.

Thanks for that, dweller!

[AlGore-08.com]

41. From David Gregory's mouth to God's ears...

RUN AL, RUN!!

:kick: :patriot: :kick:

[Diane R]

53. Music to my ears. Gore is my first choice, Kerry my second.....

....both, of course, are elected Presidents.

[AspenRose]

55. Do it, Al....DO IT

Gore/Edwards!

[Subdivisions]

57. Al Gore was denied and I think the American people know it just

as they knew there needed to be a correction in Congress this cycle.

[Vadem]

58. Yessssss!!!!! This is one Dem candidate that I will work my ....

ass off for!!

My heart was broken when Al conceded, after my many emails begging him not to do so! At least, he held out for a good long time, instead of conceding immediately!

Al, if you run, I'll be your biggest supporter! I will work my butt off for you! Please run, Al! It is only right that you do so, if only to correct the major lie that happened in Florida in 2000!

[CatWoman]

59. the replay is on now

on CNBC :)

[Warren DeMontague]

61. Fuckin A, Bubba!

Al's the man.

[drthais]

63. GORE/ANYONE 08'

That's how I feel about it
although, I think a GORE/OBAMA ticket would rock
with Wes Clark as Sec Def of course

[DesertRat]

64. Gore! Gore! Gore!

:bounce:

[elehhhhna]

68. Of course he does. The bumper stickers been on my car for months!

[roamer65]

122. Ditto, man.

I have 2 Gore stickers on the car. One says "Gore 2008", the other "Don't blame me, I voted for Gore".

[midnight]

69. Gore/Feingold.

Gore/Feingold.

[goforit]

78. Agreed!!!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

102. DREAM TICKET!

Next best -- Gore/Edwards.

I am sooo there!

[PegDAC]

178. Is there any evidence

that Russ would accept VP if he's not going to run for the top spot?

[emmadoggy]

184. Tonight on a local news broadcast

from LaCrosse, WI their final comment on the Feingold story was that he said he would be open to being a VP nominee.

Gore/Feingold '08!!!!

Please run, Al!! We need you and it would be such poetic justice to see you given your rightful place as our President.

[SouthernBelle82]

70. Interesting

I'm still waiting to hear it from his own mouth and not any more of this hearsay stuff. He's denied it in the past so he should do a press conference and make his announcement either way.

[janx]

74. He has plenty of time.

It's not as if he has to build up name recognition.

[drm604]

73. Al Gore.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2576939

[buddysmellgood]

75. I'd get behind Gore....again. Feingold is too important as a senator to be a VP.

[mom cat]

77. Wonderful news for the country and our beleaguered planet!

[goforit]

79. Sounds great ...but Gregory appears to be relying on hearsay.

[janx]

80. It was his opinion. But everyone on that panel wants it to happen.

That much is clear.

[ThomWV]

84. I Want Him To Serve As President

And I will work hard to see that he is elected and I will donate all that I am able to his campaign - to the exclusion of donating to any other campaign.

[NastyRiffraff]

86. Oh, man, I want him to run so badly!

But I don't think he's going to. I hope I'm wrong.

Gore/Obama, Gore/Clark, Gore/Edwards, Gore/Feingold would be just fine with me.

I saw him speak at the Constitution Hall about 3 years ago, talking about the Patriot Act. He was passionate, funny, personable. I'd like to have a beer with him!

[CountDmoney]

87. Go Al go!! n/t

[earth mom]

90. Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

:woohoo:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[American Jesus]

92. If it were possible to vote for President last Tuesday, and Gore was on the ballot...

...I have no doubt he would have been elected by a far greater margin than the half million votes he won by in 2000. If we keep rebuilding this party as we have been doing, then I can easily see a Gore Presidency in 2008. Gore/Edwards or Gore/Clark would be excellent tickets. Gore/Obama ?? Maybe, but I still say he's a little young for the job, politically speaking.

Any of the three would be infinitely superior to Vilsuck or Hillary.

[malaise]

93. Gore won in 2000

Maybe this time he'll see the White House.

[OneBlueSky]

96. this country -- and the planet -- desperately need a committed environmentalist . . .

in the White House . . . Al Gore has not only established himself as a leader in educating the public about global warming, he's sounded a clarion call to action with a new urgency that no other candidate can match . . .

Al Gore is most definitely the man for the job . . . running him with Feingold, Clark, or whomever would create a nearly unbeatable ticket . . .

besides, he's already won the presidency once . . . so he deserves a chance to actually serve . . .

[Clarkie1]

97. Do you think he can win in red states? Will he have coattails in red states? nt

[wakeme2008]

99. IMHO Gore / Clark is a winning ticket

In Blue and Red States... Both have strong points the voters want....

[roamer65]

126. Absolutely. Count me in...

GORE/CLARK '08!!!

[muntrv]

166. Given that Gore IS from a red state, and that state almost elected Harold Ford,

the answer is YES!

[Hawkowl]

98. A shoe in...

America loves a come back. Especially when the election was stolen. All presidential candidates who had elections stolen from them AND chose to run again, won. Andrew Jackson, Grover Cleveland, even Nixon (Yeah, I'm from Chicago and good for Daley I).

America loves the underdog clawing his way back from being cheated and robbed. In short we invented the "good guys win!"

He's got the experience. He actually supervised the shrinking of our federal govt! In your face freepers! He has the vision thing down. And I think he can root out these criminals with a vengeance.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

101. Be still my heart!!!! eom

[lonestarnot]

110. Take your place Al! It's yours!

:applause:

[RestoreGore]

111. This is unbelievable

With so much work that needs to be done NOW including working on the climate crisis, THIS IS ALL pundits can talk about? Is this what our system really comes down to? Just entertaining? Well then, Mr. Gore is exactly right, it is toxic. Mr. Gore, you know I love you and would support you in anything you wanted to do, even running for President if I thought this military/industrial complex, DIEBOLD, lack of reason society had actually made greater strides to bring us to a point where I believed your sacrifice would be truly appreciated...but I know it won't be in that vein now, so I ask you to please stay away from the DLC and the machinations of others and follow your heart.

You are far too good of a man to get involved in this again, and make no mistake about it, it would be the same BS again. What you are now doing is far and away more important than the petty selfish machinations of others, nasty campaigns, sound bites, and those who I do think will try to entice you just because they need a name on a ticket. Some things are more important than that, and I know you know that, because you get it. Right now the planet must come first, and make no mistake that you do have many who support you in that endeavor and are actually working on this with you rather than only giving it lipservice to push their own political agenda.

Your eyes, your voice, and your words tell a different story about how you feel about all of this, so again this time go with your heart, because I believe that this world will be all the better for it in having you remain a staunch and loyal advocate for a planet that needs you and all of us now to save her. I will always think you a great man for it. You far surpass Presidential to me.

[sendero]

113. I would be happy..

... to support Al Gore attaining the presidency that was stolen from him by unethical judges.

[RestoreGore]

115. Sure, the media wants a catfight

They don't care about this country.

[slaveplanet]

117. And out of Dean, Obama, or Gore

only one has a chance of winning in the south

[Justyce]

220. I think Gore or Dean either one could win --

I'm in Texas, and you'd be surprised how many Dean supporters there are around here... even in a tiny town where my cousins live, pretty much in the sticks, there are a lot of Dean supporters.

[wholetruth00]

118. Well, at least i think Gore is a real Dem. I could be wrong.

[MasonJar]

121. Gore/Clark, my dream ticket! We will need to demonstrate very

clearly how the pugs stole 2000. We also will need to make quite clear to the American public that time is running out on the environment. Those two items should guarantee a landslide. Hilary is a great senator for New York; give her the majority leader title. She'd be a star.

[RestoreGore]

127. Mr. Gore himself stated he won't run again on the past

If 2000 was the reason to run then he would have run in 2004 to keep Bush out, and don't think people didn't ask that question as well. The perception of the majority away from this world is that he lost in 2000 and sat out 2004 rather than face the man who stole it from him. It is then obvious he cares more about righting the wrongs than seeking the title, and I believe he can influence change either way. I truly believe he wants no part of the toxic environment of politics, and believes he can still contribute to political change out here unencumbered by the trappings of it, and I agree. I think 2000 for all of it's tragedy also brought about an epiphany of sorts for Mr. Gore, and the fruits of that epiphany are being seen now if some would only look beyond the political speculation and media pundit rhetoric. I would hate for him to go back to this toxic system and have to revert back to being a Party tool who had to look a certain way, speak a certain way, and act a certain way to gain "aceptance." He is truly comfortable in his own skin now and truly free to be who he wants to be, and I am happy for him.

[JNelson6563]

136. Your repeated messages have been clear

though they are rather confusing considering your name. Interesting.

That aside, Gore wouldn't play it as he did before. Hard to believe there's anyone on DU (muchless with your name) who would think him foolish enough to repeat past mistakes.

I find that the more you try to make this point, the less credible you appear.

Julie

[RestoreGore]

139. And who are you to judge that?

Credible? Regarding what? I also had this name from a couple of years ago when I tried to secure write in votes for him in states that allowed it in their primaries...When that exposed a little bit to me about people I talked to who weren't interested (and Kerry had already been coronated the nominee with no one speaking out that it should be Gore) I then tried to convince Congress through my PAC to restore him to the term stolen from him (and actually any subsequent candidates who were also victims of it) via Constitutional Amendment and found out very quickly how much Washington DC doesn't care about such things. I then found out how phony members of Congress were when I also tried to convince members of the Congressional Black Caucus to at least pledge their delegate votes for Mr. Gore at the convention (after being ignored by the over four hundred other superdelegates I sent letters to) as a showing of support, and was summarily dismissed and ignored by them as well. I also had it on good authority that he really didn't even want to speak there, and was livid because he was told he had to rewrite his speech because it was too hard on Bush.

Just that little taste of it told me how it really works, and on top of not seeing any justice for 2000, I agree with Mr. Gore as he stated that it just wasn't meant to be. So as far as my handle is concerned there is nothing about it that is not credible, I have simply also seen the light that he may now be destined for greater things, and I am happy with whatever he does and don't intend to harrass him about it.

He has claimed time and time again that he has no plans to run but wishes to continue being politically active (which he has been,) and I believe him. He has stated time and time again that the political process is toxic, and I agree with him. He claimed in an interview in the New Yorker a couple of years ago that he would feel constrained in a campaign today because he would have to conform and not be free to think as he chose, and I still believe that would be true to a certain extent. He has stated over and over again that this climate crisis is the most important challenge we have to face, yet all people do is use that issue to discuss these fantasies about 2008 as if to intimate that is the only reason he is talking about it, which is a big turnoff to me. So, despite my name here (which I did keep for sentimental reasons) I don't wish to see him restored to this current petty, corrupt, soulless system where sound bites, media hype, and entertainment value take precedence over reasoned debate and doing what is right especially if his whole heart is really not in it for those reasons, and if it would take his focus off of working on this climate crisis as much as he can now unencumbered, which I believe it would. That is my message. And regarding 2004, those comments are not in regard to any mistakes HE made, but regarding mistakes we made by not seizing the opportunity we had in changing misconceptions that would still unfortunately abound today. The message is clear: he is a great man to me regardless of what he does and he should be able to decide his own path without unsubstantiated media speculation clouding the important message he is now trying to get out. I do hope that message is now clear to you.

[NYCGirl]

147. Feel constrained? He's said he'd "Let it rip" and I believe him:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/29/gore-retreat.htm

BTW, the ONLY people who think Al Gore is talking about environmentalism is to get elected in 2008 are right wing gasbags and freepers — and you won't find any here (disregarding the trolls who show up from time to time, but they have short stays).

As President, Al Gore could do more for the environment in two days than he could in 2 years in the private sector. I'm sure he realizes that and will make a decision when he's good and ready.

[RestoreGore]

186. Then you obviously didn't read the New Yorker interview

And yes, he will say something one way or the other in his own time if he believes he has to, which is the point.

[CanSocDem]

207. What he realizes....

"As President, Al Gore could do more for the environment in two days than he could in 2 years in the private sector. I'm sure he realizes that...."

What he "realizes" is that the American POTUS is beholding to corporate interests, no matter their political affiliation.

I'd be surprised to see him start his fight to save the planet with the biggest, baddest kid on the block.

But, I'd root for him.

[NYCGirl]

209. Depends on who the POTUS is, doesn't it?

The President IS the biggest, baddest kid on the block.

[JNelson6563]

155. Thou doest protest too much

So what is it exactly you are working to restore Gore to at this point? Not the WH. So then what? Master of the Climate Crisis? To the best of my knowledge he seems to be the first official person to already hold that title.

I can see by your verbosity in every single post on the subject that you are quite zealous about NOT restoring Gore. I find that most interesting, again, in light of your name.

Did you name your dog "Stay" by chance? "Here Stay!" "Come here Stay!" Oy.

Julie

[dalaigh lllama]

182. LMAO

Thanks for saying what I've been thinking. :thumbsup:

[JNelson6563]

201. Perhaps I was touched

by His Noodley Appendage and was inspired. ;-)

[RestoreGore]

187. I explained it in my response

Perhaps you should read it again.

[leesa]

124. Oh please. We need someone very smart and respected around the world.

LOT'S of experience but has broken away from the beltline psychosis. America voted for him last time, I think they would be greatful for him to come back and fix things. Gore/Feingold.

[nam78_two]

128. K&R for the real president of the US

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[azmouse]

132. Re-elect Gore '08!!

I hope he does run. I would seriously consider voting for him.

[lovuian]

133. That would be fitting justice

and Al don't have Liberman as your vice president OK

[longship]

134. It's Gore's time.

It would repudiate the 2000 debacle, which clearly Gore won.

Gore has done a masterful job of pulling himself out of the DC crowd. He's very much his own person now. He has his own agenda. He's smart as can be.

If we can keep the DC crowd away from him, he'll sweep the election.

Plus, there's this... I truly think that in two years, his big agenda focus on the environment is going to prove to be a most important issue. Things are moving very fast (too fast, I'm afraid) and in two years I think many doubters are going to be convinced.

[LittleClarkie]

137. He'd make things difficult for me.

If Kerry doesn't run, I'd then have to decide between Gore and Clark.

[David Dunham]

140. Gore would be a good alternative. After two weeks ago, Kerry is toast

[NastyDiaper]

143. imo people will remember the Kerry-Feingold plan..

..long after they've forgotten Roger Ailes Halloween morning memo.

[karynnj]

204. Give it time

Two weeks ago, Kerry flubbed a joke - period. Nothing unethical, nothing immoral, nothing that reflects on his character or how he would perform as President. His biggest problem in this is that the media, which never liked him, opted to lie on the joke itself and even on the timeline.

Have other contenders told bad jokes? Withouty any reseach, just memory, here are jokes of the 2 leading contenders. In my opinion, the fact that these were both intended and thought out then said, does reflect on McCain and Clinton in a far worse way than Kerry's joke does on him.

McCain's joke was a very nasty joke calling a 13 year old girl ugly and had the usual Republican homophobic garbage as well.

Hillary's, from 2004, was explained on CNN as:

-- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was "a lame attempt at humor."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/elec04.s.mo.farmer.clinton.ap/

Should someone tell Hillary that this joke was more clearly inappropriate than Kerry's comment under any interpretation is.

[LittleClarkie]

223. That's nice dear.

I seem to remember you saying that before to me. Don't waste your time. I don't care how toasty you think Kerry is, he's my guy.

[NastyDiaper]

142. If I faced those three names come primary day..

..I'd probably cry on the ballot.

[LittleClarkie]

224. Why? Because it would be hard to choose? Or because

you don't like any?

[NastyDiaper]

233. I like them all.

With my sig off it's probably not clear. Sorry.

[bigdarryl]

144. David Gregory is blowing smoke up the ass Gore's not running..

in 08 my prediction

[NYCGirl]

150. Considering the access David Gregory has and the access you probably have,

I'll take Mr. Gregory's prediction over yours.

[Kazak]

145. Well then, by all means, let's draft 'em then!

NBG!!!

[KatieB]

159. How do we do that?

[Richard D]

146. It just keeps gettin better all the time!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

148. Gore/Feingold

YES! :headbang:

[cassiepriam]

154. Since Gore and Kerry are the real Presidents they have earned the

right to get back in the ring.

[Darkseid69]

157. From his mouth

to God's ears. Or something like that

[KatieB]

158. Gore would blow away the Republicans

He'd win hands down. Even the Republicans in my neighborhood admit he won 2000. They Repugs couldn't touch him and they've been driving a stake through Hillary for years now.
How 'bout Gore/Edwards?

[durrrty libby]

161. I believe a Gore/ Obama ticket would trump all

And it would be so much fun to watch

:bounce: :thumbsup: :dem:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[joeunderdog]

162. Methinks he would have an anti-Diebold strategy this time.

Not to mention all of the other cheating that went on in '00. His presence would be a real threat to the Pukes--the Dems would be emboldened, even the ones running against him.

Al Gore never said he wasn't running, either. He always said "I have no plans." Translated:
Al Gore 2k8!:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[muntrv]

164. Al Gore/Wesley Clark. Al Gore/Evan Bayh.

[NNadir]

165. I absolutely and completely support President-elected Al Gore.

He is precisely the right man for the job for which the majority of the American People agreed he should have.

I don't know that it will happen, but he has been number 1 in my political heart for a very long time.

[krkaufman]

167. Yeah, I can see Timmeh's eyes twinkling at the thought...

... of pulling out his tried and true smear attacks against Gore. It's so much easier to use old material than to have to create anew.

[krkaufman]

169. I'd love for every potential Dem Pres. candidate to either ...

... say they're NOT running, or say they won't discuss the issue until XX date in 2007, in order to keep the country focused on what we need to accomplish in the short-term. It's way premature to begin discussing the 2008 campaign, and it would put the Dems on the high-ground by postponing any '08 Presidential machinations in favor of policy development on Iraq, etc.

[sandyd921]

179. If only! If only!

Please let it be true! With Al's intelligence, wisdom, and leadership on global warming he could lead this country towards a real transformation and progress on multiple fronts (environmental, economic, social justice. etc.). :applause:

[PegDAC]

180. All things considered

I'll wait to hear it from the horse's mouth. David Gregory does not necessarily speak for Al Gore.

[midnight]

181. If the Dr. says Gore is the winner, then, he is the winner.

The Doctor knows what he is talking about.

[illinoisprogressive]

185. I saw that last night

I just sat down and exhaled. whew.
I thought he was not interested so, when Gregory said that, shock.

[Nosimplehiway]

188. In real world, focus on electability...

The recent victory for the Democratic party was not a victory of the left, though it was a victory for the left. It was a victory of the middle, of Reagan Democrats, Catholics, working class rural folks, moderate red staters and blue state Republicans either turning our way or staying out of the way. It was a victory of the undecided, uncommitted and uncertain.

I firmly believe the first black or woman elected president will have to be playing against type, which is to say a Republican. A portion of the electorate is still sexist and racist. I don't like it, but in a world of 49.9 to 49.9 elections, we cannot afford the risk. Very sad, but probably true: if Gore had not been running with a Jew in 2000, we would be discussing Gore's successor, not drafting him.

Possibly electable:
Clark(GI Joe can be trusted to have an exit strategy, though not finesse), Vilsack(saves bucks in midwestern swing states, boring, safe, dependable, nice... Iowa), Richardson(might be Hispanic, might not be... why, which do we need?), Gore(Alas, poor Adlai, we hardly knew you...), Bayh(good hair, nice teeth, red state governor... reminds me of that guy from the AARP "Don't vote" commercials... a little creepy), Warner(did he pull out as a stunt, or is there a deep dark skeleton in his closet... of the "dead intern/live sheep/packet of money/memorized all the words to Gypsy" variety?), Rendell(seems great, but I am originally from Pennsy, and word is he and Bill Clinton have a lot in common... and I don't the mean the paunch or the brilliant, lawyer wife)

Probably unelectable:
Edwards (too inexperienced, though impeccably Southern populist), Feingold(Jewish, though impeccably Northern Liberal, always a good combination in such liberal Jewish bastions as Missouri, Virginia and Colorado), Kucinich(like Feingold, only Catholic and more so), Obama(too not white, sad but welcome to the 21st century, it's pretty much like the 20th, except better graphics), Clinton (too many X chromosomes and too little, ummm, what's the word I'm looking for? backbone? warmth? personality? like-ability? popularity? elect-ability? baggage, yes, that's the word, baggage). Pelosi(when strength among moderate swing voters means the Outer Sunset and Colma, you know you're in trouble)

My pick: some combination of Clark/Bayh/Edwards.

[dweller]

193. Holeeeeeeeeeey ... crap.

i just can't decide whether you watch tooo much Fox news, or afternoon soaps. Or a combination of both.

thanks for the analysis. Consider seeking some.

please accept my what's the word i'm looking for? tepid? hesitant? sarcastic? biting? scathing? luke-
warm? piss-poor? nonchalant? gratuitous? (yeah, that's it) welcome to DU.

dp

[Nosimplehiway]

211. Nothing like ad hominem attacks in the morning.

Your response was a bit vague, so I have a few questions.

In my posting, was I inaccurate or impolite?

Do you maintain that America is a truly color and gender blind society, in which all our happy dreams of multi-culturalism have been achieved, and that not even a small portion of the electorate is racist or sexist? Harold Ford, Jr. might disagree.

Is it your belief the election was won by the left wing of our party, as exemplified by such firebrand liberals as Joe Lieberman, Jim Webb, Bob Casey and Heath Shuler?

Are you implying that those who have had analysis and other forms of psychological treatment (which I have not) should be excluded from the political process? Perhaps Tipper Gore, an advocate for mental health, would disagree with that one.

As for Fox News and soap operas, well, I'm a fan of neither...

I assume the Fox News reference is your way of asking my personal political views? Personally, I am a far left Democrat, who mostly gets my daily news from the Times, CNN, BBC and C-Span. If the Socialist Party or Green Party were viable, I'd be there. But, I also want to see the country move in the right (or is it the left? lol) direction, even if it will likely never reach my ideal destination.

The Left in this country simply cannot be elected outside heavily liberal areas without speaking to the concerns of the middle. And the Democratic Party simply cannot build a working majority in Congress and, even moreso, the state houses so important to redistricting, without good party candidates in the middle and even the near right. Nominating very liberal candidates who do not communciate well with Middle America (even if it is due to terribly unfair things like racism, sexism and anti-semitism) simply cannot win us the Presidency. Which Democrats have been president since Johnson and the Republican hold on the South developed? Carter, a folksy Christian from Georgia, and Clinton, a good ole boy from Arkansas.

I'm not sure what the reference to daytime soaps means. Is it meant to imply that I am stupid and uninformed, or just not the sort of person you want in the Democratic Party? Take a look at the demographics of soap opera viewers. Now look at the demographics of swing voters in swing states. Compare the two. See how similar they are? Now, ask yourself why there had to be a recount in Florida in 2000 instead of a clear victory. Ask yourself why Middle America dislikes the left. It is maybe because they see us as dismissive, snobbish, elitist and morally questionable? Are they right?

Is it your plan to win 2008 by telling viewers of Fox News and soap operas, "thank you, no, we don't need your vote! We'll do just fine without you!" ? Because if so, we should start getting used to saying, "President McCain".

[rosesaylavee]

241. Belated welcome to DU!

:hi:

Seems like you can hold you own better than most. I don't agree with all of it but hey, I don't have to. I just post here. :)

I am for Gore no matter what and I think that the candidate that can catch the country's imagination and inflame our collective patriotrism in a positive direction for a change will win over most demographics. And I think that person is Al Gore. I certainly hope he runs.

Great post.

[Nosimplehiway]

242. Thanks for the welcome.

I have actually been lurking around here for a while now. I have only posted a few times, before, though.

[rosesaylavee]

243. But when you have something

to say... you certainly say it!

[dweller]

248. let me guess

and i've been wrong before, but you work for
-a major advertising company
-a political info gathering group with a finger in the wind ...

Your post that i replied to was a mishmash of stream of consciousness political perusing and as noted downstream, a pantload. You stepped into this thread of celebratory participants with your analysis that you may have carefully gathered the data for along the way, but not here as a participant, with your mind made up about candidates, pimples and all, and deliver your findings as to why we've won, but not really won. :eyes:

okay. Kudos to you for your brilliant edict. I'm just happy that i didn't end up with the turd from the punchbowl you have floated. This is not the first party i've attended in this big tent, and i've decidely rubbed up against a few just to step on a toe or two to see if the sheen and cologne is masking the same dull stench of rhetoric delivered (24 hours continuously) by the MSM-con.

but like i said, i've been wrong before. Will probably be again, but in the meantime let me once more offer a welcome while i disengage graciously from this conversation.

As to your questions/survey, no comment.

cheers.
dp

[Nosimplehiway]

249. Don't apply for a job as a carnival fortuneteller. lol

Major advertising company? Nope. Political info group? Nope.

Although I have a degree in Public Administration from a former life (which I wound up using to run a grocery store of all things) I always wanted to be an artist, so I quit my job, cashed in the 401k and became a tattoo artist. I now split my time between Pennsylvania, Florida and (newly legal to tattoo.. yay!) South Carolina, depending on the season. I more or less consider Okeechobee, Florida, my home base at this point. Yep, I live out in the swamps among the manatee, gators and rednecks. I have done and still do a little tiny bit of polling analysis and issue development, mostly for local state house candidates here and there. All pro boon, mostly just to help out friends on various campaigns. If on occasion being active in a real world campaign makes me unwelcome here, then this is a strange political website indeed.

As for my supposedly saying the Democrats have won but not really won, that is simply not what I said. How is an analysis of candidates' strengths and weaknesses being a party pooper? Who on my possibly electable list would you say is not possibly electable? Gore? Vilsack? Bayh? Clark? Who on my probably unelectable list would you say does not have some serious hurdles to jump? I am definitely not the first person in the world to express doubts about the electability of Clinton, Obama and Kucinich.

Please note that I put Gore (the putative subject of celebration here) on the "Possibly Electable" list... with an off the cuff comparison to much beloved Adlai Stevenson, another Democrat who ran for the presidency multiple times, was a brilliant policy wonk and was also said to lack a certain level of pizazz. (Elderly liberals on Lake Shore Drive still get misty eyed if you mention his name over vodka stingers. lol) Now, if you find the comparison between the two completely off base, I am open to persuasion.

Sorry if my original post came off as too free form and stream of consciousness for your taste. That is my writing style when in a relaxed and casual mood. Perhaps I should have stuck to such well-reasoned gems of classic essay writing as calling someone a pant load or comparing another person's views to a turd in a punchbowl. I bow before your superior rhetorical skill.

My previous posts were not meant as a survey, but as an attempt to elicit your views. It was meant to begin a discussion, in which I give my viewpoints, you give yours, others join in and give theirs, and we all start a conversation. I would have phrased my views as a diatribe full of potty references, inferences that denigrate voters not hip enough to avoid the MSM and watch the right television shows, and personal attacks on others, but figured doing it another way would lead to a more civil conversation about some very real issues of electability facing this party.

Now I remember why I usually only lurk around here.

[amitten]

196. Actually, well, um...

Gore.

[NYCGirl]

210. What a racist, sexist pantload! Sorry to see you have so little faith in the

American people.

[Nosimplehiway]

215. I do have faith in the vast majority of Americans...

...but I am also aware that a small minority of Americans are still quite sexist, anti-semitic, homophobic and racist. And I am also aware that they tend to be clustered in swing/red states and districts. That small core of racist, sexist and homophobic people is enough to turn an election. Can you honestly tell me that if Harold Ford, Jr., were white that Tennessee would have elected Senator Corker? What would the result in Pennsylvania have been if the Democratic nominee had been, say Alyson Schwartz, a highly capable and very liberal Jewish member of congress from Philadelphia? How well would a lesbian have done running for Senate in Montana? A socialist in North Carolina 11? A black guy in Idaho 1? Any of them might have pulled the inside straight, but why risk it on a presidential race?

How many African-Americans have made it into the Senate? How many women? How many Governors are either of those? This pattern is true even in traditionally liberal states like Minnesota, Massachusetts and Vermont. (The exception in the Bay State, by the way is Jane Swift, a Republican. In Maryland, another blue state, Cardin faced an uphill battle against Steele. Republicans, beacause they undermine our base, do well when they run women and blacks, Democrats do not.)

I do not like that these are the political facts on the ground, but they are.

And, in 2008, I want us to win big and win decisively. I don't want us to win with a recount in Florida. I don't want us to win despite narrow returns in Missouri. I don't even want us to win without West Virginia. Basically, I don't want us to win in spite of ourselves. I want a shot at a landslide. I want a real mandate going into the 2010s. Hillary Clinton cannot do that. Barack Obama cannot do that. Maybe, just maybe, the list of folks I listed as electable can do that. I believe the list of folks I called unelectable cannot. Can you suggest who precisely who should be moved from one list to the other?

Insensitive, yes. Inaccurate, no.

Just a small question for those on this board who seem to think I crossed the line by pointing out that ethnic and racial minorities face greater hurdles when running in some parts of the country: why does no one ever mention Barney Frank as Presidential or running mate material? He is a very solid liberal. A good party man. Very capable. Very smart. Has some ethics baggage, but who doesn't? Not the most charismatic guy around, but hey, not the least. Why isn't he mentioned? Because in our guts we know that even though he should be a contender, he could never, ever carry Missouri, Iowa, Virginia and all the other places where a gay, Jewish guy from Massachusetts is disliked by a small, but pivotal, portion of the electorate.

[NYCGirl]

217. Most of these small minded racist, sexist and homophobic people are Republicans

who will never vote Democratic anyway.

[Nosimplehiway]

231. The ones who are self-consciously racist, yes...

...but there is a segment who think of themselves as swing voters, moderates, whatever you want to call them. They live in small towns, rural areas and small cities. They drive a small sedan or a pickup. They shop at Walmart. They think they are middle class, but barely. They hunt or fish or snowmobile. They live in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Virginia and Colorado. They are often veterans. They have a high school diploma, and maybe an associate's degree. They tend to be working class, white, married and an occasional (once a month) church goer, usually either moderate to conservative Protestant or Catholic. In short, they are "the working class Americans" candidates and activists keep talking about.

They will vote Democratic on issues like health-care, minimum wage and fair trade. They might even be moderate or soft on some social issues, supporting ENDA for gays, but not gay marriage, for instance. They will vote Republican when the issues are taxes, guns or more advanced social issues, like late term abortions. They have strong feelings against illegal immigration, but are not real clear on what should be done about it. They would vehemently deny being racist if asked(after all they're nice to that one guy at work, and he's a minority of some sort), but nonetheless have a less positive reaction to women when they run for an executive position and blacks for any race.

If you want to see what they look like, go look at almost any of the campaign commercials put forward by either party this year. They were featured because they decided this year's election. And, whether we like it or not, they will, in all likelihood, decide 2008.

[Bouncy Ball]

190. You know, at first I thought

"No, too many people won't go for him because he ran before....."

But then, that stopped me in my tracks.

He ran before. In 2000. Back when most people had NO idea how bad things were going to be before Bush. He's what we COULD have had, instead of this big fucking hot mess we have now. We could still have a balanced budget. We could still have nearly 3000 of our troops alive. We could still have thousands more with all their limbs. We could have a better economy. We could have more secure health care. Better relationships with the rest of the world. We could not be the big nasty stupid bully of the world right now. And on and on and on.

So actually, yeah. I think this is a great idea. Especially if Gore stays the way he's been lately--really speaking passionately and strongly, from the heart.

People will look at him, think about what we've been through with Bush and think "he's who we could have had--let's not make that same mistake again."

It's a different attitude now. Go Gore.

[progressivebydesign]

192. Oh please Oh please Oh please!! PLEASE RUN AL!!

We SO need you!!!

[BattyDem]

194. Oh, please ... PLEASE let this be true!!!

We need you, Al and I KNOW you would make a wonderful President!!! :patriot:

[bobbie]

195. Wow... That would be emotional. I do want him to finally serve...

I want Clark too.

[Infinite Hope]

197. Gore's my main man. He has a duty to run.

For the sake of democracy and competance, Gore!

[Robeson]

198. Oh happy day!....

...I'v thought he should since Kerry lost. Go Al!

[Apollo11]

199. In Gore We Trust

It's interesting to return to this topic in the light of last week's election results.

After reading all of the above posts, here are some of my thoughts and observations ...

1) Gore won in 2000, overcoming unhelpful media coverage and despite Clinton's abuse of power over a vulnerable intern. A hefty margin in the popular vote and only defeated by what I would call wide-scale theft in Florida (like not counting thousands of unambiguous overvotes where people first pulled the lever for Gore and then also wrote in his name). If the SCOTUS had paid any attention to respecting the intent of Florida's voters, Gore would still be President today. I think we all know this, right?

2) Gore did not seek the nomination in 2004 partly because it was too soon, and partly because he sensed that the Party and the Country did not have any appetite for a re-run of the 2000 election. But Gore's not running in 2004 does not necessarily prevent him coming back in 2008.

3) At this point, Gore is the most experienced and qualified potential Presidential candidate. Simply put ... he would be "the best person for the job". Probably the biggest barrier to him securing the Democratic nomination is the question of whether he has the personal appetite and ambition to run for office again and be at the center of a national election campaign. I can see that if he really doesn't want it, then it will be impossible to draft him, because everyone will pay attention to people that are genuinely interested in running (like Clark and Edwards).

4) If Gore would run again, it would have to be for President. The idea that Gore would run for the VP slot after holding that office for 8 long years is simply not credible. But that doesn't exclude that he would serve in some other capacity - in the cabinet of a future Dem President. If we can't have Gore as our President, then I like the idea of Gore serving as special adviser and "international ambassador" on climate issues. Maybe also environmental protection and sustainable development.

5) Gore does not have to make a decision until the fall/winter of 2007. He can afford to wait on the sidelines, watch other candidates coming forward, and see how the wind is blowing. Given Gore's history, it doesn't make sense for him to enter a crowded field, starting out in 3rd or 4th place (behind Clark and Hillary). He can only enter if it looks like people are really calling for him to run again, and the Party would be ready to unite around his candidacy.

6) Kerry is not as strong a potential candidate as Gore. Most people believe he lost the popular vote in 2004. Most people believe he was for the invasion of Iraq (and the PATRIOT Act) before he was against it. He has negatives around his personal history and around the way he talks. He has the image of being from the "north-eastern liberal elite". He is not able to tell a joke properly - even if you think it is appropriate to make jokes about the Iraq War during an election campaign (which I do not).

7) Clark is a great communicator, but lacks political experience. Would make a great Vice-President, Secretary of Defense, National Security Adviser or maybe Secretary of State. But if Gore refuses to run - then I agree that Clark would be a strong contender for President.

8) Edwards is another effective communicator - even if some people find him too slick. But he is simply not as well-qualified to be President as Al Gore (if Gore can be persuaded to run).

9) At this point, all we can do is keep Gore's name out there as a potential contender for President. If Gore sees that millions of people are calling on him to run, then that will make it more likely that he would change his mind about seeking the nomination. But of course - a strong grassroots campaign still does not guarantee that Gore will decide to enter the primaries.

So, in light of the above, I recommend to you all the following pro-Gore sites:

www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com
www.draftgore2008.org
www.patriotsforgore.com
www.climatecrisis.net
:-)

[FernBell]

200. What if the '08 Dem ticket was GORE/LIEBERMAN???

How would you respond to THAT? If you think about it in raw political terms, it would make its own kind of political sense. If, by some chance, Gore were to win the nomination and then pick Lieberman as his running mate, he would be announcing a Dem move toward the center. He would be distancing himself from the far-left Dean loyalists who attacked Lieberman this year and playing toward the centrists who tilted toward Lieberman this year. In its own way, this would make a lot of political sense, even if it would be rejected by many of us here. It would allow Gore to say he's not part of the hard left while retaining his environmental credibility and still give him room to define his war agenda in a centrist way. It certainly seems at least plausible when you think about it.

Could this really happen? What do you think?

[gasperc]

203. I think you hurt my brain

ouch

[Nosimplehiway]

205. Possible, yes...

I, myself, would be comfortable voting for this ticket, and so would 49.9% of the electorate, with 269 electorate votes. lol

Lieberman would, I agree, help balance the ticket some. We might again lose a point or two to anti-Semitism in swing state rural areas. (very sad, but also true) On the other hand, he does help assuage fears among moderates and occasional church goers that we (the left) are a bunch of heathens in dire need of some Sunday school. The most more basic problem, though, is the overall lack of charisma on the ticket. Essentially they are both policy wonks, different policies, but nonetheless. We can pooh pooh the center's desire for someone with big teeth and nice hair, but in a sharply divided electorate that sort of thing matters.

Maybe someone similar to Lieberman ideologically, but less well known and more charismatic? I am not sure who, but a Southern or Western moderate to conservative Democrat with reasonable levels of curb appeal would be nice. John Edwards seems possible at first glance. Jim Matheson of Utah? Ben Nelson of Nebraska? Phil Bredeson of Tennessee? Brad Henry of Oklahoma? Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas?

[NYCGirl]

212. Couldn't happen. Ever. They dislike each other — Lieberman betrayed Gore in the

the 2000 election, when he kept publicly telling him to "give up" even before the votes were counted, and then Gore endorsed Howard Dean in the 2004 primary:



That pretty much put an end to any speculation about Gore and Lieberman ever teaming up again.

[Nosimplehiway]

216. Good observation, NYC Girl....

and I agree with you. But who knows? Weirder things have happened. Who ever thought McCain would be campaigning for Bush in 2004 after what Bush did to McCain and his family in 2000? Strange bedfellows and all that.

[NYCGirl]

218. McCain is a panderer — Al Gore is not. NT

[Nosimplehiway]

228. True, as are most Republican candidates. NT

[disndat]

250. Payback time

Howard Dean would be supporting Gore's candidacy, a powerful support. The H. Clinton faction is probably as mad as hell that Dean is now the important person in the Democratic Party after last Tuesday. If Feingold should be the vp running mate, then that would be perfect symmetry. We would then have a real liberal reform minded Jewish candidate to counter the Gore/Lieberman pairing,'00.

[Herman74]

238. Ain't going to happen, Al divorced himself from Joe L....

...when he endorsed Howard Dean in 2004.

[jollyreaper2112]

206. I am against rerunning loser candidates

But Gore is a special exception. He made for a poor candidate in 2000 because he let the idiot Dem managers run his campaign. He came across like dry toast. Now that he's on his own, he makes for a hell of a more attractive candidate. Especially considering how 2000 went down, the Bush legacy, and the coming problems with global warming, he makes for a very attractive option in 2008. "Reelect Gore. Repudiate Bush's two terms."

If he runs, put Dean in charge. If Carville or any of the other idiots who ruined the 2000 and 2004 campaigns come anywhere near, shoot on sight.

[Apollo11]

208. Gore NOT a loser!

Gore WON in 2000! :-)

Bush STOLE the Whitehouse, with the help of SCOTUS ...

[kid a]

214. Gore / Edwards - nt

[Justyce]

219. Gore/Dean would be my dream ticket....

one can wish!

[road2000]

226. Draft Gore in '08

Please visit www.draftgore.com and sign our petition... 13,000 and counting. We need everyone who supports a Gore candidacy to sign and tell others about it.

(We've also got great full color bumperstickers at a modest cost.)

Thanks

[JamesJoyce]

227. Al Gore is too hysterical to be the nominee

Can you imagine the ads? Evan Bayh is a much more warm and calming candidate.

[think4yourself]

229. Huh?

[Nosimplehiway]

244. I don't understand...

...maybe you and I mean two different things when we use the word hysterical? To me, it describes someone who has lost control over some part of their life, often including their demeanor and affect, because of intense uncontrolled emotion, often fear or anxiety.

Now, Al Gore is many things... he can seem a bit wooden and pompous at times. Sometimes he gets a tad pedantic and judgmental. He could really use some loosening up. On the other hand, he is probably the smartest guy active in politics today, has a moral streak a mile wide, and is incredibly committed to saving the world. In short, put him in a leotard, boots and a cape, and he would be SuperEgo, to the rescue.

None of these traits, however, fit with "hysteria". Maybe you mean something different. Please explain, because I don't think I am the only one who is confused.

I like Bayh. I would not be at all disappointed to see this moderate, midwestern, highly electable, red state governor nominated.

[Jennicut]

230. Al Gore is NOT hysterical

He is intelligent, thoughtful, and passionate. No wonder a lot of people are clamoring for him to run in '08. There is obviously a lack of quality candidates for the next presidential election. Bayh, too blah, Obama, too inexperienced, Hillary, too polarizing. I could go on and on. Al was never hysterical, it was the MEDIA who has portrayed that. What is really strange is that my moderate Republican mom actually said she would listen to what Gore had to say, maybe because it seems like he actually cares about what he does and is not an opportunist. Also, he won more of the popular votes than any other presidential candidate next to Reagan. I think he may just do it. I would hate to see him have to go through all the bs again but I think this time the media is on his side. I mean, really folks, we could have had Al Gore as pres but instead we ended up with CHimpy. Even Republicans are disgusted.

[politicasista]

232. He is my second choice. If he runs, I hope..

Gore will promise to open the books and run as an Anti-corruption dem and on global warming. He is my second choice. :)

[RiverStone]

234. GORE/OBAMA 08 - - that would rock!

[Donovan61]

239. How about Gore/Murtha?

They'd have gravitas up the ying-yang. I'm just sayin'.

[Jamastiene]

245. Dear President Gore,

If you see this, please take note that you have tons of support from a bunch of people who cannot agree on very much at all, here at DU. If you can manage to bring us together on something, you have accomplished something amazing.

I would like for you to know that, as President, you could really do a lot for the environment by vetoing gutted bills that promise to reduce pollution and signing bills that promise to reduce pollution without being gutted. You could also do a lot to help this country economically at the same time. You could really do our country a huge favor if you decided to run in 2008. You are also the only one who has the experience cleaning up after the Republicans have pretty much messed everything up. President Clinton cannot run again, so for the sake of our future, please help us clean this mess up. George Bush has really screwed this country, royally.

Sincerely,
One DU Gore voter

P.S. I would be glad to volunteer to get out the vote for you in my hometown. :patriot:

[McCamy Taylor]

246. Gore was elected once. He can do it again.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[savemefromdumbya]

247. Has anyone done a est. poll of Dem hopefuls for President in 08?

The election was stolen from Gore. He is our rightful President.