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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:54 PM
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2008 Polls: McCain leads Hillary by 1%, Obama by 9%
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13753

Arizona senator John McCain holds a slight edge as the 2008 Republican Party presidential nominee in the United States, according to a poll by Opinion Research Corporation released by CNN. 48 per cent of respondents would vote for McCain, while 47 per cent would support Democratic New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

McCain holds a nine-point lead in a contest against Democratic Illinois senator Barack Obama, and an 18-point edge against Massachusetts senator and 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is tied with Rodham Clinton at 47 per cent, leads Obama by nine points, and Kerry by 13 points.

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:55 PM
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1. Well that's good to hear....
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 09:56 PM by Bicoastal
Always heard that Giuliani would be unstoppable if he ever ran.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:57 PM
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2. I don't think that is necessarily true. America is tiring of all 9/11, all the time.
That is what Giuliani represents.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:03 PM
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12. He would never survive the Republican primary.
The Republican base wouldn't go for a pro-choice Catholic admitted adulterer who's marched in gay pride parades. He would get chopped into haggis.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:57 PM
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3. FUCK POLLS
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 09:58 PM by orpupilofnature57
we won!!!!!!!!11
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:58 PM
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4. McCain will have no party by 2008
they'll all be in jail!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:59 PM
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5. And then we have the series of debates - and then what happens?
Early polls are stupid. Did you know Elizabeth Dole would beat Al Gore by 10% in 1999?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:59 PM
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7. Yes. I remember when Gary Hart, Ted Kennedy, and Howard Dean were "inevitable"
nominees. Yawn.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:01 PM
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9. they didn't have bill clinton
as their husband criss crossing the country campaigning for her.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:02 PM
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10. It still doesn't make her the inevitable nominee.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:06 PM
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Except she'll have to be on stage alone for a SERIES of debates with others, some of who
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 10:09 PM by blm
are competent, deeply knowledgeable on a wide range of issues, more passionate debaters, and more commanding figures.

And how will Hillary answer when she is asked to pledge that she will open the books on Bush2 and not protect him the way the last Dem president protected Bush1?

From Robert Parry, Nov12,2006:

Mr. Parry is allowing this article to be reprinted in full - you may also repost at other forums you visit or on your sites. It is THAT important to help citizens to understand what the stakes are in all of this.

This is not about arguing for impeachment - it's about getting the truth out so events like a Bush presidency, 9-11 and Iraq war can NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.


Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:04 PM
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13. Elizabeth Dole ??????????
what had she done to even be considered in a poll.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:08 PM
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17. She spoke at the 1996 convention ....heh ....mediawhores loved her.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:36 PM
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22. hahah, and she has really shown what she cand o in the Senate
it's funny i forgot she was even in there until she recently opened her mouth and demanded WEBB apologize to Allen for Allen's thugs beating up on a Webb supporter.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:59 PM
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6. LOL and the Dems are closing the gap!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:00 PM
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8. What, no Al Gore?
How come all the Republo-tards want to run against Hillary? Oh, right--because her negatives are through the roof.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:02 PM
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11. WAY premature.
Meaningless, in fact.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:06 PM
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14. i hope McCain's ass gets swiftboated in the Primary
and i wonder how Giuliani will win a Primary based on his record. his opponents will be able to bring up the things he supported as mayor of a democratic city such as gun control ,, abortion rights. and of course his living with a couple of gay guys after he dumped his wife on national television.

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:06 PM
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15. Doesn't really mean much.
By an overwhelming margin, Virginia conservatives picked former House Speaker Newt Gingrich as the man they favor to be the Republican nominee for President in 2008.

After four hours of voting and 146 total ballots cast, attendees at the Virginia Conservative Convention handed Gingrich an easy victory over runner-up Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts.

Votes Percent
Newt Gingrich 45 31%
Mitt Romney 21 14%
Sam Brownback 18 12%
John McCain 18 12%
Mike Huckabee 11 8%
Rudy Giuliani 10 7%
Duncan Hunter 6 4%
Bill Frist 4 3%
Chuck Hagel 2 1%
George Pataki 2 1%

http://www.humanevents.com/rightangle/index.php?id=18040&title=va_conservatives_
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:07 PM
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16. Yawn... same ole, same ole.
:boring:
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:09 PM
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18. McCain, IS A CRACKED ACTOR, Pataki will get party support before, Frankenstein
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 10:10 PM by orpupilofnature57
Blind Faith in GOP ,has made john an ass.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:11 PM
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19. Al Gore will CRUSH them!
:D
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:12 PM
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20. Is anyone else tired of the Corporate Controlled Media telling us
who we can nominate and run in 2008?
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thethinker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:33 PM
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21. Democrats need to face the facts
The republicans want us to run a woman or a black man because they can rally their troops against that candidate. All the right wing talk shows have been pushing democrats to run Hillary or Barack Obama. The DLC is pushing this also.

It would be a fatal mistake. There is a large part of the population of this country that would never vote for a black or woman. I hate to even say this, but I know it is true.

It would be much harder for the republicans to rally their troops against Kerry, Edwards, Gore or any other white guy.

The republicans message plays to racist macho men. Just listen to Rush Limbo and you'll see what I mean.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:39 PM
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23. Means NOTHING. Really. nt
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EdwardM Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:40 PM
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24. These polls are way too early.
First thing, people still think they are voting for the 2000 outsider "maverick" McCain, not the 2006 Bush worshipping McCain who speaks at Falwell's university and wants 100,000 more troops in Iraq. Hillary Clinton, despite what all the pundits say, will not make it out of the primary alive because of her Pro Iraq War stance. Neither will any other Democratic Senators who voted for the war. Obama is getting low scores because he is the new guy in town and many people don't know him yet. If he runs and becomes more well known, his numbers will improve.
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