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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:16 AM
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Dean on Carville's 'fire Dean hire Ford' bit-"I got a laugh out of that one...
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 09:39 AM by Algorem
inside-the-Beltway silliness." - to Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday

said Ford told him he doesn't even want the job

also said he expects a return to Clinton-era policies(can't we do better than that?)



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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:19 AM
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1. Clinton era policies
I predict there will be a change in direction on trade policy.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:19 AM
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2. "Hi, I'm James Carville, an' my wife is a war criminal!"
"Help me keep her out of prison, won't you?"

He is soooo last-century.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:22 AM
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3. The coverup wing of the party wants to get rid of every anti-corruption Democrat.
Deam threw in his lot with the anti-corruption side, and Carville's gang from ClintonInc has been targeting him ever since.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:26 AM
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4. What are you talking about?
ClintonInc? I don't get it.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:33 AM
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6. you didn't get the memo, Clinton did it


The big Dog is the root of all things wrong :sarcasm:

Seriesly though
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:56 AM
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8. He wasn't the root, but he got coopted early on to help coverup - probably
out of naivete, possibly out of goodwill, but it doesn't change the fact that he made a decision to accomodate Bush1 and that this nation has suffered horrible because of it, and even reversed all the good Clinton did do as Bush2 dismantled and destroyed it in his first term.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:40 AM
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7. The attacks on Dean have been going on for some time now and always from the same
corner.

Here's why I have a serious problem with the coverup wing of the party.

rom Robert Parry, Nov12,2006: Democrats, The Truth STILL Matters!

Mr. Parry is allowing this article to be reprinted in full - you may also repost at other forums you visit or on your sites. It is THAT important to help citizens to understand what the stakes are in all of this.

This is not about arguing for impeachment - it's about getting the truth out so events like a Bush presidency, 9-11 and Iraq war can NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.


Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:29 AM
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12. More for the "Doesn't add up" file...
Did y'all know that in the late 90's our State Department refused to comply with the Hague Convention on Children--a multilateral agreement designed to return abducted children (taken out of their own countries)to their custodial parent/s?

It had complete bipartisan support but the CA's State Dept. refused to enfore it.

From 2000:

INTERNATIONAL CHILD ABDUCTIONS -Countries Ignore Hague Convention

"...Even more upset with this report was Rep. Nick Lampson, D-Texas, chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, who says the State Department report not only is inaccurate but violates the statutory reporting requirements. Lampson calls the report "unacceptable to Congress." He told Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright that it is nearly as useless as the 1999 report, which claimed there were 58 "unresolved" cases after 18 months but failed to identify even one offending country. While the State Department may indeed have violated the statutory reporting requirement, any penalty apparently will have to wait until the presidential election is sorted out.

Under a Bush administration, someone might get fired. In the meantime, Helms is considering whether to force the State Department to rewrite the report.The senator is well aware that the numbers the State Department has supplied to Congress don't add up and never did. Should Bush become president, he certainly will recognize it as "fuzzy math." For example, while the United States is returning children in 90 percent of the Hague Convention cases filed here, according to the GAO, only 24 percent of overall abductions from the United States result in a return or even some form of visitation abroad, which means actual returns are well below 20 percent."

http://www.findthekids.org/pdf/internationalchild.pdf
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:32 AM
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5. 8 years of Peace and Prosperity
Overall, the Clinton - era policies were incredibly successful. As Jim4Wes says above, there will probably be some changes in trade policy now that we've had several years to see that NAFTA hasn't unfolded as it was supposed to. There will also likely be a ramping up of progressive energy policy, too.

But the people who worked with the Clinton administration - Bob Rubin, John Podesta, Madeline Albright, Robert Reich and others helped develop excellent policies.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:10 AM
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11. Add also Telecommunications Act And ...
... add Welfare DEformed to round out to your list of failures. Almost all these "policies" create a terrible gap between the rich and the poor, giving the elite the upper hand. It did little to create an economy robust enough to last through this administration.

I do not think Clinton's desire to "just be friends" was successful.

Yes we had peace here in America, but the sanctions in Iraq has led to the most disgusting of all wars to be waged, based on the hatred of Hussein, which had little to do with Iraqi kids dying of dysentery and starvation, which was happening at that time. This was due to the sanctions against Iraq that did little to punish Hussein and did much to add to the suffering of innocents. I might also add the ethnic cleansing in Africa, which was ignored, as well as the "clean up" in South America that had no Americans and ignored the role of the U.S. in that travesty. Remember the slogan "greed is good ..." which dominated our society then and we all SHOULD know by now that greed is the root to war, poverty and the spread of disease.

The very same people who participated in the Reagan era and Bush era South American death squads, Iran/Contra, the hyping up of the useless drug war, and killing of the middle class at home are the same ones in power today. If Clinton had gone after them, instead of "being friends" with this bunch of right wing elitists, then perhaps we would not be in the shape we are and in a war that is slaughtering millions and whose deaths created war profiteering and a money maker for power hungry slobbering greedheads.

I agree with the columnist. Clinton sure looked presidential but he did little for the little guy here or abroad and he signed away many things for the elitists just so he could "be friends."

Cat In Seattle
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:30 AM
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13. C'Admin LOVER here, but facts is facts. What do you make of post #12?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:00 AM
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9. I knew Ford didn't want that job...
Why would he?

This was a Carville creation, pure and simple.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:03 AM
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10. I love Howard.
He always handles stuff like this with just the right touch. He managed to blow this off and make it a joke, while at the same time marginalizing Carville by showing that he's more in the loop than Carville is.

Tee-hee.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:40 AM
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14. Yeah, let's cashier Dean for a guy who lost his race
This idea is so laughable. "Silliness" captures it perfectly. I wonder why that bulldog journalist Chris Wallace even brought it up?
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