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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:00 AM
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Democrats have two years to prove themselves.
The Demcorats have two years to convince the voting public that they are going to make a positive difference in this country AND two years to castrate the sneaky machinations we've experienced with media manipulation and GOP election fraud. Two years, and then forces can start swinging the pendulum back to the right, just like it is now swinging to the left.

The time was ripe for the Dems to win in 2006. Even the most conservative Evangelicals knew it. I spoke to the husband of an evangelical a year ago and he predicted this landslide for the Democrats would happen. He said, you just wait and in the next election, no one is going to vote for a Republican. It's a cycle.

I don't know what is behind this, but in speaking to the right-wing end of the family, I get the distinct feeling that this is just a calculated game to them. The Democrats clean up the messes in this country and play the unhappy role of being the bad cop, and when there's money in the treasury, suddenly it swings the other way. That's when the Republicans come in and they honestly believe it's their right to raid the country's savings. They don't care about the millions of retiring individuals who lose their pensions or retirement savings. They don't even care that the federal government doesn't have money for college grants. (They're convince that all the money is going to minorities, anyway.)

The point is, that they believe that you have to spend money to make money. Anybody's money, EVERYBODY's money. That's why they want to privatize social security. They're trying to force you to play their game. Ante-up to a poker game where some of the players have Aces up their sleeves. And here's the sick thing, the really stupid ones really believe it works and that the upper class numbers will increase considerably. However, the really clever ones know that the only ones who actually make money during this chaotic Republican period, are the well-connected. The ones who can get the inside information on the markets that are the most vulnerable to deregulation.

You know why I think we won in 2006? Because the United States is near bankrupt and the profiteers can't suck water out of a dry well. That's why the media did uncharacteristic things to make sure this election was as fair as possible. For example, in the week before the election, something screwy happened to Jack Cafferty's mike before he went into a tirade against Kerry and his botched joke. Who noticed that? Cafferty was about to announce that the Democrats lost the election because of Kerry's statement. I've liked Cafferty's diatribes in the last few months, but what a ludicrous prediction -- however, if it had happened in 2004, it would have worked because it doesn't take much to get the swiftboaters started. Yet, by some divine intervention, Cafferty's mike malfunctioned and, thus, a stampede was prevented before it started. Enough with the metaphors.

The point is, be on your toes, pick your fights, be righteous in your choices, be good to your base and fair to your opponents, but be prepared for the media to change public opinion in two years, no matter what you do. Because there is a cycle or swing of the pendulum that people are expecting, no matter what you do. And the other side will do everything they can to make it swing back to the right as soon as possible.

You all have two years.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:11 AM
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1. and we're not going away....
Rove was surprised when we didn't go away in 2004 but the reich-wingers are adjusting to the new climate and tailoring their message to get the most favorable response. They have a record of un-accomplishments that allow us to prove that their rhetoric is fatally flawed and unconvincing. The battlefield terrain changes and the side on the assault must make changes to adapt or face failure and defeat.
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W.E.B. Du Bois Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:13 AM
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2. The Democrats have two problems here
One is that we don't seem to have any REAL strategy for getting out of Iraq, which is what the voters empowered the Democrats to do.

Secondly, is that I think the Democrats do not have the party unity that Republicans have, so there will be a lot of disagreement and disunity regardless of the strategy chosen, and this could prevent any change at all.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 11:24 AM
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7. I think we'll learn more about the Democrat's strategy for withdrawal
in the next month. The Dems have had a plan, it just hasn't been one that the media gave much air time to.

You're right about the party unity, thing. Expect the right-wing side of the party to try to frame themselves as Centrists to keep the country from swinging left. But, see, even here there is room for compromise, if the far left is wise enough to see it.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 01:11 PM
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Murtha has put out a wise and comprehensive strategy
which has been completely ignored. Dennis Kucinich has been trying to force legislation on Iraq since it started. This BS about not having a plan is getting pretty stale. How do you fix the unbreakable. Get out now. Give financial and limited consultation aid to the Iraqi government and let them take control of their own destiny. We can only make things worse by being there any longer.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:16 AM
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3. Actually it will be less time than that.
The corporate media is already beginning to frame the debate, to establish unreasonable expectations, to divert attention, to undermine confidence, to exploit potential differences and vulnerabilities. The corporate media will do the Repiglican's dirty work for them until the latter can restore their reputation after a litttle selective amnesia takes hold. That's what some finely tuned Congressional investigation is needed. And by the way some inquiry into the media's failure to keep us informed should be a part of that investigation. Democrats shouldn't get lured into trying to do the Executive Branch's work but should demand that * do his job and take responsibility for solving Iraq.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 11:26 AM
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8. The Dems and other lefties are wise to this.
Haven't you seen Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher? Go to Crooks and Liars and scroll down to Bill Maher's Post election monologue.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:41 AM
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4. There will also be another congressional election by 15 states in 2008
The states in light blue will be electing their representatives



And, agree with reality based re: we have less than two years. The first 10 months will have to be strong and effective for positive change to be able to continue holding the House and Senate in 2008. The media will, and already is, framing the debate, and would bet dollars to donuts that the Repubs will continuw with their off-election year TV/media ads to bash Democrats and paint a bleak picture of a Democratic US. However, with the war being such a point of contention, as well as the economy, the American public seems to be waking up from what has turned into a nightmare when choosing to vote solely based on ideology; Hubris is taking a back seat to reality.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:43 AM
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5. All 50 states will be electing representatives in 2008
Am I missing something here?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 11:11 AM
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6. Not all states--but I was incorrect in number of states involved for 2008
Elections for the United States Senate will be held on November 4, 2008, with 33 of the 100 seats in the Senate (those in Class II) being contested. Since Senators are elected for six-year terms, those elected will serve from January 3, 2009 until January 3, 2015. Those Senators who were elected in 2002 will be seeking re-election (or retiring) in 2008.


Senate races to take place in 2008. Republican incumbent seats are represented in Red. Democratic incumbent seats are represented in Blue. States in which no Senate contest will be occuring are in white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2008
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 01:08 PM
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9. I see what you're saying now
Originally you said 15 states will be electing their "representatives." I thought you meant representatives, not Senators. Obviously every state will be electing their reps in 2008, but there will only be 33 senate seats up for grabs.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 01:11 PM
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10. My misnomer mistake :-)
I just view any and all to be representatives of the constituency no matter what. :hi:
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