I wish Lieberman would Become a Republican, He is a horrid Democrat.

[Ioo]

Look, 80% of me wishes that we did not win the Senate, because that means the last 2 year of Bush will be our fault. When we just won the house, we were a real thorn in the side, but we were the beloved underdog.

Now the Right is going to pin the last 2 years of Bush on us...

So I beg the shit head Lieberman to become a Republican, I think that he is of more danger as a dem than a Rpig. He is sitting on TV and saying everything the Republicans want him to say, he may as well be reading a Bush speech.

Lieberman is NOT our friend, he is a selfish pig!

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

1. Lieberman votes with Demorats 90% of the time

So that makes him a Democrat.

[Ioo]

4. He said it just now - Give me what I want or I walk!

Are we going to allow him to hold the dems hostage?

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

17. No, don't. Tell him to f*ck off and that we don't need his vote for Senate Majority Leader (nt)

:eyes:

[Boston Critic]

2. Lieberman is terrible

but we have to deal with him for the next two years. Let's get a Democratic president and a bigger Senate majority in 2008, and then tell the self-absorbed prig to take a hike.

[DavidDvorkin]

3. Thus giving control of the Senate to the Republicans

No, I'd rather he caucused with the Democrats, no matter what he says on TV. The issue is larger than his public statements.

[Ioo]

5. Let them have it, With Lieberman we will never move forward anyway!

[ruggerson]

12. So you're willing to sacrifice all of us

whose lives hinge on the balance in the Supreme Court?

[Ioo]

20. Look Dems voted for the ones we have... so I think this is short sided.

the last 2 Years of Bush will be laid at the Dems door.

[Trajan]

24. This is such a silly argument

I cant believe you are making it ....

You need some church or something ... you need GUIDANCE ...

[ronnykmarshall]

40. OH PLLUUUUUUUZE!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

43. This is exactly the sort of insane myopia...

...that will be the death of the "netroots" movement unless they pull their collective head out of their collective ass and come to the fucking table with everybody else, instead of treating themselves as anointed-by-God political superheros.

[elocs]

31. There are many politically naive people here

who would prefer to bite off their nose to spite their face. With a 1 vote majority in the Senate, a stupid, stupid attitude. Let's start being a little more pragmatic and live in the real world for a change. Now is not the time to become cannibalistic and eating our own. We won the House and the narrowest of majorities in the Senate. It's time to get real because now with control of both houses the voters will demand we do something about the issues and hold us accountable if we do not.

[leftofthedial]

6. I saw him for a few minutes on Press The Meat

and it turned my stomach

BUT, then I look at his record, and on many issues, he still is clearly a Democrat

[Binka]

18. Press The Meat!!!!!!

I'm stealing it OK? Great name!

[ISUGRADIA]

7. Yes, it's better that Lieberman is a Republican

and they control the Senate.There is no need for us to block any of Bush's Judicial nominees in Committee. They are all hunky dory.

[Ioo]

Again, he just said that the Dems will have to Beg for support.

What makes you think that he is not going to let every Bush non in... He just said clearly, "I have the Dems by the balls"

[ISUGRADIA]

19. Lieberman is not on the Judiciary Committee

That was where most nominees were stopped in the mid 2001-2002 period when we held the Senate. His vote for nominees does not matter there.

[Ioo]

22. Point taken... He is on DHS, so many start there

[Ravy]

14. Yes, and let Republicans schedule votes when the Dems have

fundraisers. Oh, and that committee oversight thing... well, we have gotten along without it 6 years and nothing has happened.

I'm with ya.

[ISUGRADIA]

23. Oversight is a great point. Supoena is a wonderful thing to have

The process servers will be getting overtime I bet.

[Ravy]

42. See, we are *already* helping the job economy!!!! (nt)

[onenote]

30. right. And who wants that minimum wage thingee increased

or stem cell research legislation pressed forward,or expiration of the tax cuts for the rich and famous. We'd be so much better off. Hey, in 2008, maybe we can plan to lose again so we won't be blamed if we can't immediately fix the mess that may still exist then...

:sarcasm:

[bluedog]

8. Joe boy thinks he has the final say

he is the one holding the power of the senate and he knows it.........he don't care what WE want or the party...............he will do as he wants and he WILL change parties if he doesn't get his way.......Mark my word..........

[ruggerson]

9. Your life is impacted by the Supreme Court

a lot of our lives are VERY impacted by the Supreme Court.

Thus, it's a great thing we control the Senate as we have some control over who gets out of committee on judicial nominations.

THe Senate, to me, was even more important than the House.

[Ioo]

10. You have a point, I just do not think that Joe is our friend EVER

[ruggerson]

15. I agree

but he's not on the Senate Judiciary committee.

However, his (D) after his name allows us to CONTROL the Senate Judiciary committee.

[onenote]

27. then you don't know much about him

He's dreadfully wrong on the war, but there are other issues on which he is reliably in the Democratic camp.

[eliphaslevi]

11. Lieberman Senate Opponents Receive Exact Same Number of Votes in 2006 as in 2000

Elections Say the Darndest Things: Lieberman Senate Opponents Receive Exact Same Number of Votes in 2006 as in 2000…

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3778


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2000

Phil Giordano - 448,077
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2006

Lamont - 448,077
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Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[Pithy Cherub]

13. UGH - Sore Loserman is not a Democrat.

He is a lone CFL'er who wants to be relevant to Democrats. He actually has less than 18 months to do this and then he is really the politically walking dead. He has and no constituency except his lobby's and they don't vote in the Senate except through him. Joe stupidly believes that all the republicans will not cross over to show bi-partisanship and rendering him moot. Collins, Snowe, even Hagel and Spectre may cross the aisle making his continued defections just an opportunity for Traitor Joe to continue throwing himself a pity party.

[onenote]

28. unfortunately, he does a have a constituency: 50% of CT

[Pithy Cherub]

32. Republicans - he's Traitor Joe for a reason! n/t

[salin]

16. sadly, we are stuck with him... unless we want Dick Cheney

as the deciding vote on nearly everything.... including tipping the senate to repub majority (that is McConnell as majority leader and all the crappy pubs as committee chairs.)

[Trajan]

21. Liebermann hatred ....

Its like an illness ..... It blinds you to the FACT that Liebermann DOES have a liberal voting record ....

I am no fan of Holy Joe ... but cmon ... you WISH we didnt win so you could fulfil your desire to HATE Joe some more ?

Could you stir up a little more gut busting hatred ? ....

[Jack Rabbit]

25. Be careful for what you wish; it may come true

If Lieberman became a Republican now, it would shift the balance of power in the Senate.

Otherwise, say what you will about him. I will.

[onenote]

26. sorry you like losing so much

I pesonally have enjoyed this week more than any other in years.

[Ioo]

29. I think having Both Chambers will bite us in the ass in 2 years.

I will say it again, because we have both chambers the right wing media is going to lay the whole of the last 2 years of this shit administration at our feet. They are going to paint us as obstructionists and more. We are so poor at framing the message that this is going to be made the fault of the end game Bush has in mind.

I think we will wish we did not have it in 2 years. Sorry

[onenote]

33. more likely that we can paint them as obstructionists

we control the agenda. If we bring stem cell, and minimum wage, and other bills to the forefront and we pass them, either they become law and we get credit or chimpy vetoes, the repubs give him the votes to sustain and we have a great election issue for 2008.

[Pithy Cherub]

35. You wrongly assume republicans will vote in lockstep...

That is the basis for Joe's stupidity that he can make a difference. The rabid nutcases like Santorum, Allen, Burns, DeWine and Talent will be GONE now....

[beyurslf]

34. Um hello. That hands the Senate back to Republicans.

[Ioo]

36. Umm, did you not read the post? I KNOW!

[Odin2005]

37. We are stuck with Lieberman, people need to quit whining and deal with it.

If Lieberman bolts we loose the Senate, damnit. Some people need to get that through thier skulls.

[Moloch]

38. I despise lieberman....

but lieberman apparently has a long-time consituentcy who will always vote him, like Kennedy and Byrd does.. and, even though Lamont was clearly the better candidate, a lot of people still voted for what they were accustomed to.

lieberman's stances on the war and his numerous efforts to censor movies and video games concern me greatly but we have a majority right now and that's clearly the most important thing for Democrats.

[last1standing]

39. Some people just don't want to make things better.

They want to sit on their asses and complain about how bad it all is. If you're one of those people, of course you don't want the Democrats to hold the house and senate. You want to run around complaining about how "the other guys" are fucking things up all the time. If that's what you want to do that's fine with me but some of us actually want to see things get better, not just bitch about how bad they are.

As for lieberman, I don't like him but I'll say he's 100% better than chafee who caucused with the repubs giving them control of the agenda. If the price for providing America with a better future is letting holy joe get on the air and spout bullshit, then strap him to a mic and give him his own variety show for all I care. We have control of the real power now, and it's time to use it.

[bluedog]

41. I'll say it again.don't trust him! n/t

[last1standing]

44. Who does?

I sure as Hell don't, but he's better than a repub for one major reason. He will caucus with the Democrats come January. I wanted Lamont to win as much as anybody, but he didn't. We have to live with that fact and move forward with an asshole as the senator for CT. He'll caucus with the Dems then be marginalized to a large extent.

One thing I'm not going to do is go onto a forum saying I wish we had less power for the next two years. Really, come '08 if we win more is this same person going to say "well, I don't like Hillary or Bayh, so I wish we'd lost AGAIN."? I guess I'm just sick of the self-defeatists who only find enjoyment in bringing others down to their level of misery.