Who do you think is the most religious, most progressive person in America?

[skipos]

They don't need to be a politician, or someone you are a big fan of. I am doing some research. Thanks.

edit: I am looking for people who are alive today.

[reichstag911]

1. Jimmy Carter. Hands down. {nt}

[Lindacooks]

2. Yep, my first thought too.

No question.

[Mrs. Overall]

18. Yes, Jimmy Carter. Strong beliefs but respects others who have differing views.

[yellowdogintexas]

34. regarding the well known, I so second this motion.

Although I do believe you could put Al Gore in this group too.

[LittleClarkie]

54. First name I thought of too

True Christian man.

[tsuki]

73. What he said. n/t

[Stardust]

75. Absolutely.//

[Selatius]

3. The person, off the top of my head, is Martin Luther King, Jr.

He was a socialist and a civil rights leader, and I would say he was religious or perhaps spiritual.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Seems like a duh to me.

[reichstag911]

11. Religious, sure,...

...but was he moral? Not to knock his accomplishments in civil rights, but can someone who doesn't follow the dictates of the religion he preaches (or at least espouses) be considered truly religious? I refer, of course, to his philandering.

[BlooInBloo]

15. For a certain sort of person in America.....

... it has always required 10 "atta-boys" to make up for 1 "aw-shit".

Thank you for so clearly pointing out how little has changed.

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[boolean]

5. Obama (nt)

[porphyrian]

6. Both most religious and most progressive?

Some would say those are contrary qualities. I'm sure that's not always the case, though.

[BlueEyedSon]

9. Agreed, contradictory

[skipos]

12. I totally disagree

I am religious, just not in a crank it down your throat way. I consider myself pretty progressive too: pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-labor, anti-war, anti-dp, etc.

[BlueEyedSon]

25. if you are pro-choice & pro gay marriage, i guess you are reading

a different bible than the other religious folks

[Dob Bole]

48. Actually, this assumption is ignorant.

Not your fault, because rightwing political movements get lots of press, while Biblical scholarship does not...but it's a faulty conclusion nonetheless.

In the Bible, if an unborn child was killed, the killer had to make restitution and the mother was not held responsible. That's the closest thing you'll find to any reference of abortion in the Bible, and it wasn't equated to murder.

Likewise, homosexual relationships are not mentioned in the Bible...it is an empty closet. The words that refer to 'homosexuality' being a mortal sin have been recently mistranslated; the texts actually say it is wrong to rape your slave boys, which has no relevance in post-slavery USA.

[BlueEyedSon]

52. no, im just repeating what I have heard as the "religious" platform

(let's flip it: perhaps they are reading a different bible than you are)

speaking of ignorance, the recent meme is that being religious at all could be construed to be "ignorant"

The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618680004/sr=8-1/qid=1163362519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9848818-0195250?ie=UTF8&s=books

Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris
http://www.amazon.com/Letter-Christian-Nation-Sam-Harris/dp/0307265773/sr=1-1/qid=1163362582/ref=sr_1_1/002-9848818-0195250?ie=UTF8&s=books

[Dob Bole]

57. I'm aware of the meme...

I don't know if the 'religious' platform of which you speak exists on the left. The evangelical left usually opposes abortion on the philosophical grounds that it snuffs out a potential life; but most seek to reduce incidence of abortions through anti-poverty programs instead of reversing Roe v. Wade. On the issue of gay marriage, most do not seem to think it' s the "threat" that the right does...especially gay evangelicals.

There is both a diversity of opinion and religious and philosophical beliefs on the left, and attacking religion itself does little to promote that mentality over that of the right.

On the "recent meme" that religion makes one ignorant, the meme is neither recent nor scientific, since religion and science answer completely different questions about the nature of the universe. One could equally argue that a well-learned person should include as much knowledge as possible about each field in his/her education.

[Dorian Gray]

53. The poster said he/she was religious...

not necessarily Christian or Judeo-Christian. The Bible may not even be his/her holy text. Religious does not = Christian in this country.

[BlueEyedSon]

58. i get the picture nt

[jus_the_facts]

29. Yep...my first thought was religious + progressive = oxymoron...

:D

[AbbyR]

95. I consider myself very religious/spiritual

and I'm the most liberal person I know. I am so far left I could easily be classified a socialist, I think. I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, very strongly pro-environment, a big pusher of nationalized, single-payer health care - and I pray every day. So - what does that make me?

[jus_the_facts]

101. That's your right in this country ...to consider yourself whatever you like....

....just as it is my right to say religion and true progress are oxymoronic...to each their own perspective.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html
Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


_______________________________________________
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

[Radical Activist]

42. William Jennings Bryan

was one of the major leaders of the early progressive movement and was one of the people responsible for making the Democratic Party become the party of liberalism. His progressivism was rooted in religious values, as is true for many today.

[donco6]

83. Prohibition Bryan? AntiDarwin Bryan?

Hmmm . . . not sure he'd get my vote there.

[Radical Activist]

102. being against social darwinism was progressive at that time.

Natural selection was being used by conservatives to justify their pro-corporate agenda. It was an excuse for economic inequality in society and having no welfare of any kind.
And yes, many progressive reformers of that time period were for prohibition.

[xultar]

64. So you're saying true religous values of love and peace aren't progressive?

Buhwawawa!

[BlueEyedSon]

76. i said nothing about "religious values" (whatever they are)

i was talking about religion itself

[jonnyblitz]

82. eh....you don't need no stinkin religion to have those values. nt

[donco6]

84. I don't think religion has sole claim to love and peace.

In fact, Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruit." And I don't see this fruit on many religious trees these days.

[yellowdogintexas]

36. Flip the question: who is the most progressive religious person

or at least well known to be religious progressive person.

Not so much of an oxymoron then.

[porphyrian]

78. I guess it depends on the religion, too. And how the individual practices it.

I'll have think about it, though.

[BootinUp]

7. I drew a blank

But here is an article at wikipedia that may be of interest.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity#Liberal_Christian_theologians_and_authors

[salin]

8. Political side: Carter; Religious side: Jim Wallis

[Perky]

10. Whole Heartedly agreee

We do need more Christian Democrats running for office however.

[undeterred]

13. The description "most religious" is ironic to me.

I know what you are getting at, but most of the people who use God talk all the time are called "religious" but are internally vacuous.

[Clark2008]

14. Jimmy Carter, Wes Clark and Jesus.

:)

[patrice]

16. Jim Wallis

[misternormal]

17. President Jimmy Carter... hands down... n/t

[Dhalgren]

37. Yep! President Carter, top of the list (about the only one on the list)...

I assume the question is for "living" Americans. If the question is for all the world, for all time, then it would be a fairly long list...

[saracat]

19. Jimmy Carter

And for all her good work, Theresa Heinz Kerry

[patrice]

93. Yes.

[madrchsod]

21. no doubt about it-jimmy carter

the only country on this planet that he gets dissed is his own.

[LWolf]

22. jessie jackson,

al sharpton, dennis kucinich? I don't pay much attention to religious leaders, so I don't really know any.

If I were looking for progressive religious leaders, I'd look in some of these places:

Unitarian Universalists

Buddhists

some (non-roman) catholic sects

Quakers, especially liberal quakers

some pagan groups

the church of religious science

[BrotherBuzz]

I think you can add UCC to you list

As a denomination, the United Church of Christ always has occupied the progressive, liberal end of the religious spectrum. They believe in a social environment that allows people to be more free from constraints on behavior — not careless, but not overly restrained. And on social issues, they are way ahead of the curve.

[Rosemary2205]

23. Elisabeth Omilami

Daughter of the late Hosea Williams.

http://www.hoseafeedthehungry.com/default.php

[Bitwit1234]

24. Another really religious person

Is Billy Graham. He is not political but the man puts all the other nutso preachers in this country to shame. HE CARES ABOUT PEOPLE.

[BlueEyedSon]

26. but is he "progressive"?

[BringEmOn]

74. Just as long as you ain't a Jeeeeeeeeeeeeew

* Nixon tapes.

[emcguffie]

27. Don't forget Bill Moyers.

I don't know how religious he is, but he is deeply spiritual, I believe, and came out of a very religious tradition.

[ellenfl]

44. i may br wrong but i believe moyers might have been clergy at one time. eom

[salin]

59. Or maybe had theological training?

I have that impression/memory as well.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

62. Yes, Bill Moyers was a Baptist minister

:-)

[salin]

67. trying to get my head around *that* given todays far-right

polarized baptists... mind you, I was raised an American Baptist (and the church merged with a UCC congregation) which was not prototypical of todays polarizing Baptists.

[bobbieinok]

68. how RW took over SoBapts, starting in 1967

Moyers was a SoBapt before the RW took over the denomination. The RW destroyed the SoBapt denomination I grew up in.

http://www.txbc.org/2000Journals/May2000/May00chronologyofmajor.htm

Chronology of Major Events in the Controversy
by: Charles McLaughlin
Associate Coordinator, TBC

1967 - Seminary Doctoral student Paige Patterson and Judge Paul Pressler meet at Cafe du Monde in New Orleans and discuss a long term strategy for fundamentalist domination of the Southern Baptist Convention.

1974 - The Baptist Faith and Message Fellowship identifies inerrancy of the Bible as the issue to be used in their struggle against moderates and liberals in the SBC.

1979 - Patterson, Pressler and others run a "get out the vote" campaign in 15 states prior to the Convention, urging a defeat of 'liberalism' in the SBC.

Voters are bussed to the convention in mass numbers but leave after the vote for president.

Fundamentalist pastor Adrian Rogers is elected president.

1980 - Judge Pressler publicly announces the strategy of the fundamentalist takeover, which is to elect the SBC president a sufficient number of times to gain a fundamentalist majority on the boards and agencies of the Convention. This is to be accomplished through the president's power to make appointments. Pressler calls this, "Going for the jugular."

Fundamentalists successfully elect all presidents of the SBC from 1979 to present.

1985 - The SBC forms a "Peace Committee" to investigate the growing conflict and make recommendations for conflict resolution. Dominated by fundamentalists the committee fails to approach reconciliation. Cecil Sherman resigns from the committee in 1985, followed by Winfred Moore in 1986 because he did not feel he could participate in a "police committee."

1986 - The Home Mission Board trustees become majority fundamentalist. The trustees bar women from receiving pastoral assistance in mission churches supported by HMB.

Seminary presidents attempt peace in the "Glorietta statement" but to no avail.

1987 - The Peace Committee report is adopted, recommending that hiring practices of boards and agencies reflect "the most commonly held beliefs" in the denomination. Moderates charge that Creedalism becomes official SBC policy through this action.

The Southeastern Board of Trustees becomes majority fundamentalist. They take the Faculty out of the process for hiring new instructors, and place this power solely in hands of the president, who must use the Peace Committee document as a doctrinal guide for hiring.

President of Southeastern Seminary, Randall Lolley, resigns in protest.

HMB votes to forbid missionary appointment to persons who speak in tongues and divorced persons, unless the divorce falls within strict "Biblical guidelines."

1988 - HMB uses the Peace Committee report to enforce creedalism in hiring practices.

The SBC meeting in San Antonio passes a resolution elevating strong pastoral authority and denigrating the priesthood of all believers by a vote of 10,950 to 9,050.

Richard Land, a fundamentalist leader, becomes President of the Christian Life Commission.

The Foreign Mission Board fires moderate missionary Michael Willett after a fundamentalist missionary reports on Willett's opinions.

1989 - Fundamentalist leaders give the Christian Life Commission greater responsibility for dealing with church/state issues, in order to circumvent working with the more moderate Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs.

1990 - Southern Seminary Board of Trustees becomes majority fundamentalist. Trustees give students permission to openly tape classes.

Trustee Jerry Johnson of Colorado accuses Southern Seminary President Roy Honeycutt and many faculty of heresy.

Baptist Press editors Al Shakleford and Dan Martin are fired by the SBC Executive Committee due to their reporting on the fundamentalist takeover effort and their refusal to cease writing such stories. Associated Baptist Press is formed in order to maintain a free press for Baptist news.

Daniel Vestal calls a national level meeting of moderate Baptists in Atlanta. 3000 people show up and vow to meet again the next year. This will be the birth of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

1991 - Southeastern Seminary publishes new statement of purpose and the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy becomes official policy.

Moderate Sunday School Board President Lloyd Elder is forced to resign due to a hostile board of trustees. Fundamentalist leader Jimmy Draper becomes President of the Sunday School Board.

The Foreign Mission Board votes to defund Rushlikon Seminary in Europe because of liberal professors.

6000 Baptists in Atlanta formally organize the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

Moderates no longer offer an alternative candidate for President of the SBC.

1992 - Paige Patterson becomes President of Southeastern Seminary.

Career missionary and President of the Foreign Mission Board, Keith Parks, resigns in protest against a hostile fundamentalist board of trustees. Parks becomes missions director for the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

1993 - President of Southern Seminary, Roy Honeycutt, resigns due to a hostile fundamentalist board of trustees. Al Mohler, a leading fundamentalist, becomes President of Southern Seminary.

The SBC votes to cease giving funds to the Baptist Joint Committee for Public Affairs, because it will not cooperate with the fundamentalist agenda to restore publicly-led prayer in schools, government vouchers to attend religious schools and other right wing political/religious goals.

Fundamentalists attempt to refuse seating for messengers from the church where President Clinton has his church membership.

The Southern Baptist Convention affirms a report critical of membership in Freemasons.

Gary Leazer is fired from the Home Mission Board for explaining the meaning of that vote to Masons at a Masonic meeting.

1994 - SBC Executive Committee leaders command SBC Seminaries to cease hosting booths at Cooperative Baptist Fellowship meetings.

Moderate Professor Molly Marshall is forced to resign from Southern Seminary.

A Hostile board of fundamentalist trustees at Southwestern Seminary fire President Russell Dilday and change the locks on his office.

SBC meeting in Orlando votes to refuse CBF funds designated for Missionaries and other SBC agencies.

SBC Executive Committee requests that State Conventions cut all ties to CBF.

1995 - Diana Garland is fired as Dean of Carver School of Social work by seminary president, A1 Mohler.

FMB President Jerry Rankin sends a letter to 40,000 pastors and Women's Missionary Union Directors, urging them to pray that the National WMU would cease cooperating with the CBF.

John Jackson, then chair of the Board of Trustees for the FMB, compares the WMU's cooperation with the CBF with the acts of an adulterous woman.

1996 - Southern Baptist Conservatives of Virginia form into rival state convention, in protest at the moderate nature of the existing state Association (convention), which cooperates with the CBF and other moderate Baptists.

Southwestern Seminary president Ken Hemphill cancels edition of its theological journal, editor and professor Jeff B. Poole removed from teaching.

1997 - The Carver School of Social Work is cut from the curriculum at Southern Seminary and transferred to another college.

Paul Debusman, librarian at Southern for 35 years, is fired over the content of a personal letter to Tom Ellif, then the SBC President.

New Orleans seminary withdraws invitations to teach from two adjunct instructors due to their ties with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

The 1997 SBC meeting in Dallas calls for a boycott of Disney Company and related companies, because of immorality in movies and business policies friendly to homosexuals.

1998 - There has been a 70% faculty turnover at Southern Seminary since 1991. Between 1992 and 1996, 42 employees had resigned, retired or were fired and three departments experienced complete turnover or loss of faculty.

Jerry Falwell attends SBC as a messenger for the first time and identifies SBC seminaries as "fundamentalist."

Fundamentalist Baptists in Texas formed Southern Baptists of Texas, to serve as a rival state convention in protest against the Baptist General Convention of Texas.

SBC passes a new article on the family as an amendment to the Baptist Faith and Message statement of 1963. The amendment emphasizes female submission to the husband.

Paige Patterson, early leader of the fundamentalist takeover, is elected President of the Southern Baptist Convention.

1999 - Southwestern Seminary professors Alan Brehm and Dan Kent resign after the seminary requires faculty to sign off on the SBC amendment of the Baptist Faith and Message emphasizing female submission.

SBC Messengers commission a panel to re-examine the Baptist Faith and Message Statement, with a view toward revising it to reflect "unambiguous" fundamentalist language.

Midwestern Seminary trustees fire fundamentalist Mark Coppenger for "misappropriate anger."

Reorganization of SBC from 19 organizations to 12 does not result in larger budget percentages for "frontline missions." Instead the money went to the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the seminaries and the Executive Committee.

Article adapted from the Fundamentalist Takeover in the SBC, by James, Leazer, and Shoopman. Book is available through the TBC office.
May 2000

[salin]

71. very informative read

thanks for posting this.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

70. Most of the people in the churches I have attended since 1982

have been both politically and religiously liberal. I wouldn't attend any other kind of parish.

[roody]

28. Father Roy Bourgeois

www.soaw.org

[agentkgb]

31. Yeah

He's not really in the media a lot, but he's clearly religious and clearly progressive.

[patrice]

94. Catholic Worker House?

Dorothy Day.

[murdoch]

100. Reminds me of a great moment between Bob Dole and Daniel Ortega

Ortega: In your letter you said you were concerned about the fate of Mr. Lino Hernández and Mr. Saborío, who are jailed because they broke the laws of Nicaragua.

Dole: Is a peaceful demonstration against the law in Nicaragua?

Ortega: I have a proposal for you that would enable Mr. Hernández and Mr. Saborío to be freed immediately: exchange them for this Catholic priest Roy Bourgeois, who's been jailed in the United States because he was protesting US policy towards Central America. He was given nine months in prison for his demonstration.

Dole: We don't do that in our country, you've got us mixed up with the Soviet Union. (General laughter.)

Ortega: (Holding up picture of Bourgeois being arrested.) Look, these are US policemen, and they are repressing the rights of a Catholic priest. You have him in jail because he protested against US policy in Central America. Is this your democracy? If Father Bourgeois is released, we'll release Saborío and Hernández.

Dole: Can we go visit Saborío and Hernández?

Ortega: As long as we can send a government delegation to visit Father Bourgeois in jail. Can Father D'Escoto visit him in jail? As long as you can guarantee that, you may go visit Saborío.

[hfojvt]

30. this issue of The Nation talks about religion

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060424/lerner

[stranger81]

32. Cornel West, and the late Father Phillip Berigan [eom]

[yellowdogintexas]

33. My friend Brooks Harrington. He is a former Marine Officer,

attorney, was a Federal prosecuting attorney in the Carter Administration, then practiced private law for many years, with lots of probono work. Then went to seminary, became an ordained United Methodist Minister, asked for and was assigned to the most at risk congregation in the conference, proceeded to turn that dying little church into a thriving safe place for the children and teens of the neighborhood (tough gang ridden North Side of Fort Worth) then when it was appointment time expected to be given a similar appointment, instead was pulled out of the itineracy by the Bishop who needed an ordained minister with a procecutorial background to represent the conference in a very nasty sexual harrassment suit against the most powerful minister in the conference, ( if not the entire jurisdiction). After that he went back to lawyering for a while.

Now through efforts of one of our staff ministers and others, he is on staff at our church, where he does the normal pastor stuff, visiting the sick, marrying, burying, preaching occasionally ..however most of his time is spent in our Church Mission where he has an office..his own department actually...The First United Methodist Justice Ministry ( a separate entity, and so far as we know, the only Justice Ministry in Methodism) . So when someone comes to the mission needing legal help ..Brooks is there. He helps with custody issues, delinquent child support issues, trouble with the law in general, landlord and shyster car dealership issues etc for free. He loves it. As he puts it: "my need to serve in this way goes back to my days in DC, in the worst neighborhoods, the children who were the innocents caught up in the circumstances of their environment. For 30 years my driving passion has been" what about those kids? who is helping those kids?"

He is a very progressive Democrat too. He wrote an awesome op ed piece for the local paper during the 2003-2004 election cycles stating how you can be a Christian and be a Democrat!!!!! I wish I still had it , I would post it.

So there he is, not famous, just awesome!!

[ellenfl]

38. jimmy carter . . . hands down . . . and bill moyers. eom

[Radical Activist]

39. Jesse Jackson

Among those well known, he's near the top.

[Roland99]

40. Garrison Keillor?

[Greyhound]

41. Some good answers, but define "religious".

Too vauge a qualification, IMO.

[1932]

43. Cornel West closely followed by Jim Wallis, and then Jimmy Carter, with Tavis

Smiley up there, and Edwards is pretty religious too.

[Booster]

45. Jimmy Carter gets my vote - he's what a true Christian should be.

[GreenArrow]

46. I don't know

but he or she's likely not a public figure.

[Radical Activist]

47. Mary Ellen McNish

General Secretary of the American Friends Service Committee. I would imagine there are many religious progressives in that organization.

[patrice]

90. YES!

[Vidar]

49. Jimmy Carter

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. Bishop John Shelby Spong

http://secure.agoramedia.com/spong/index_spong2.asp?sc=1&promo=8E8054FA-64A6-4100-9B08-37F4592A6F13&email=

[LittleClarkie]

56. I prefer Marcus Borg

Spong is too out there for me.

[BoneDaddy]

104. I love Spong

Read all of his books. He is truly a Christian.

[shanti]

51. jimmy carter

a TRUE christian...

[Dorian Gray]

55. He's not an American, but

The Dalai Lama. And, as follows... Richard Gere is progressive and religious.

[Odin2005]

60. If deceased Americans count I'll say William Jennings Bryan.

[Sgent]

61. Rev. Barry Lynn

executive director of American's United for Separation of Church & State.

[MountainLaurel]

63. That reminds me, he has a book coming out

I should order it for my library.

[readmoreoften]

88. Agreed. /nt

[jpwhite]

65. Mel White

I really like Mel White. He used to be a ghost writer for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, but later he came out of the closet and lost his job because he is gay. He is now a minister and he operates a web page (www.soulforce.org). This organization is actively fighting for the rights of people who are gay. He is a great guy and someone that I look up to, even though I am straight.

James
[e-mail]

[jgraz]

66. I'm a big Carter fan, but there are plenty more progressive than he is

Like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rabbi Michael Lerner and Rev Barry Lynn. Regardless of what you think of them, they're all to the left of Carter.

[Shakespeare]

69. Martin Sheen. Extremely progressive, and a devout catholic.

And a wonderful human being. :-)

[Dorian Gray]

81. I can't believe that I forgot him.

Martin Sheen is a great example. He's both pious and progressive.

[proud patriot]

72. Bill Moyers

:hi:

[lostnfound]

79. followed by Al Gore. nt

[proud patriot]

80. true true

:hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

77. Rev. Mel White.

He's a-okay in my book.

[readmoreoften]

89. Rev. Mel White too. /nt

[BIG Sean]

85. My Mom

Yup, for me the answer is easy. She is very religious, and is very progressive.

For Christmas she will go to Midnight mass, and then on Christmas day host a 'misfit' holiday party for gay men that have been abandoned by their families.

[patrice]

96. Yay! Mom! . . .s!

[Lilith Velkor]

86. Starhawk

She's an anarchist and a Wiccan priestess.

[tyedyeto]

87. Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers were the two that immediately came to mind

[patrice]

91. United for Peace and Justice

http://unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=725

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_for_Peace_and_Justice

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

92. Me. n/t

[patrice]

97. Me too.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. .

:thumbsup:

:toast:

[patrice]

99. Interesting thread.

It should be nominated for something.

[BoneDaddy]

103. Bill Moyers

Gotta love him

[Lochloosa]

105. Jimmy Carter. The last CHRISTIAN President we have had.