I can support Murtha.

[texpatriot2004]

I am so sick of Democrats attacking Democrats the same week we achieved such a victory. I think it's pathetic.

Congressman Murtha is a good man. He has worked and will continue to work for the troops. He did not run, he served his Country. He has consistenly spoken out,and frequently too, on serious issues in the last year or more.

I can support Congressman Murtha. I look forward to hearing more from him.

[eleny]

1. maybe they aren't attacking murtha but more supporting hoyer

there's a difference.

murtha is more conservative than i am, overall. so i support hoyer.

[fooj]

3. Hoyer was a big part of the HAVA nonsense.

Murtha was Pelosi's campaign manager for Minority Leader. They are very close and I think that ultimately, he will win the position. I realize he is a hawk, however, I believe with my entire being that he will never allow another PRE-EMPTIVE war and he will fight to make sure that the military gets everything that they need. Murtha knows how to rebuild/fix our broken military. IMO, that's very important.

[texpatriot2004]

17. HAVA=Hack America's Vote Act and I don't trust those involved

with that. Plus, I agree that Congressman Murtha brings military knowledge to the table which we need right now.

[Tellurian]

29. Murtha is the Right Choice..

He was the first to come forward publicly and speak out against the War in Iraq.

He has the guts and the tenacity to get our troops what they need to keep them
alive until withdrawal is complete.

[troublemaker]

4. Agreed, it is not attacking Democrats to favor one or another for a leadership post

A voice for Murtha is not an "attack" on Hoyer, or visa-versa. I love Murtha on the war but I don't know he's the best person out of 230 for a particular job.

There are a lot of wonderful Dems in the house and I will support whoever wins, but we are at least entitled to disagree before the post is filled.

[fooj]

2. I support Murtha 100%!

Jack had the courage to speak out and admit his mistake re: voting for this war. He never hesitates in giving the Dems who DID NOT VOTE for the war the credit for making the right call. I believe that he is an honorable man and I also believe that he will end up the Majority Leader of the House.

[texpatriot2004]

5. I agree Fooj. You know I am not as "conservative" as him, I don't

care. That's not the issue. Why is it that everyone has to be as "liberal" or "conservative" as I am? Or support everything that I support? It's not realistic. It's not going to happen as this isn't a perfect world. It doesn't mean that a person can't do a damn good job. You know what I mean?

[eleny]

9. My decision is based on balance

On balance, I'm more aligned with Hoyer. Iraq is a major issue that Dems are going to be on to with a very tight grip. I have no doubt. But I'm also concerned about other issues where I'm not so aligned with Murtha such as Choice.

I have immense respect for Murtha. But I have to go with Hoyer for practical reasons. And that speaks to your assertion that we're attacking him.

One more thing - Murtha was not the first to speak out against the war. Many Dems voted against the invasion in the first place. Kucinich et al are being eclipsed these days. I was glad that Murtha caught up with those clear thinking Dems.

[fooj]

12. Check out my #10 post...

Info on Hoyer.

I'm not sure I want a K-Street dude and someone involved with Ney and Robert Gates.

For the record...I never meant to imply that anyone was attacking Murtha. Just think that it's important to know what BOTH candidates have been up to.

[eleny]

15. ay-yi-yi, fooj!

[fooj]

13. Yes, I do.

I just want someone in there that has the military's best interests at heart and has the courage to stand up and fight for what is right. You know...I feel the same way about the VP. Why do we always choose someone who can "move up" in the ranks? Can't we find someone who will compliment and work hard as "existing" VP who has no political aspirations of his/her own? Just my 2 cents...

[kenny blankenship]

6. I keep hearing both Murtha and Hoyer have ethical issues

Taking down the leader is going the top priority of the Republican Party-Corporate Media Axis.
Fuck seniority--choose someone CLEAN.

[dogday]

7. Murtha is dead set against the war and wants

to end it, and that is where he gets my vote... I know in other issues he is conservative, but he wants these soldiers to come home and so do I....

[BlooInBloo]

8. He also has nontrivial ethics problems.

[fooj]

10. So does HOYER...

Check this out:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1418.shtml

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld will resign, reportedly to be replaced by former CIA director Robert Gates. Did you know that Robert Gates was involved in the voting machine industry?

Gates was on the Board of Directors of VoteHere, a strange little company that was the biggest elections industry lobbyist for the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). VoteHere spent more money than ES&S, Diebold, and Sequoia combined to help ram HAVA through. And HAVA, of course, was a bill sponsored by convicted Abramoff pal Bob Ney and K-street lobbyist buddy Steny Hoyer.HAVA put electronic voting on steroids.

[texpatriot2004]

16. So Hoyer is a friend of K Street Lobbyists? Yuck! Plus, HAVA

the Hack America's Vote Act

[Rose Siding]

31. I thought you were sick of dems attacking dems

I'll take either one of 'em. Both have strengths and weaknesses but NEITHER gets an exemption from criticsm, imo.

[BlooInBloo]

19. So? I never advocated for Hoyer.

[salin]

18. I just learned

via tpmmuckraker that Murtha had a role in Abscam. That set me back a bit.

[fooj]

22. I've got to look into that. That happened in the 70's and 80's, yes?

Off to wikipedia...

[fooj]

21. Just sharing what I know about Hoyer.

I realize you didn't say a thing about him. Thought it might be a good place to post the info. That's all. :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

23. Wrong branch I assume? Re: what you said - fair enough! :)

[fooj]

25. My bad.

:spank:

[Dhalgren]

11. I am only nominally a Democrat. I realize that I am far to leftist to

really "fit" into the "new" Democratic Party,; that being said, I don't see Murtha as being very far right of the bulk of the "new" Party. And my bottom line is - If Nancy Pelosi wants Murtha, that's good enough for me. I think that everyone in the Party should relax and watch Nancy. She's the Party's leader, now, and she should have her choice for the Party's officers...

[Name removed]

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[Dhalgren]

26. I see that you have nothing to share or add except personal attacks and

insults. Let me explain to you in simple terms that you might be able to grasp (perhaps); Pelosi is going to have her hands full over the next two years, managing the Democratic agenda and fighting for the life of her party. Maybe she needs to have the people she wants in positions of power to help her accomplish her tasks. Just because a representative doesn't measure up to your high standards does not mean that he/she might not be just who Speaker Peolsi needs.

And I am sorry to hear that you and Britney are breaking up. Peace...

[pinto]

27. I, too, support Ms. Pelosi as Speaker. It's going to be an interesting 110th Congress.

Let's set the agenda for a change!

:kick:

[Dhalgren]

28. Hear! Hear!

As John Madden says (and I'm not sure that I know what it means): "Don't worry about the horses, just load the wagon!"

[Zambero]

14. Murtha went out on a limb and spoke out against the war ...

..when something needed to be said, without considering the possibility of negative political repercussions. And what has Hoyer done along those lines? I'll side with an individual who does the right things and speaks his conscience, as opposed to someone who's low profile but very adept at calling in political favors.

Murtha all the way!!!

[texpatriot2004]

24. I agree. I think Murtha brings military knowledge to the table now.

And Hoyer's part in Hack America's Vote Act is not good in my book.

[Ignacio Upton]

30. No thanks

I like Murtha, but having him as Majority Leader could come back to bite us in the ass. He was put on CREW's list on unethical members of Congress, a list that includes people we just defeated, such as Conrad Burns and John Sweeney. Hoyer is in the pockets of K-Street and AIPAC, so he is also a problem.

[farmboxer]

32. I like Murtha also

I am so glad Dems have taken over the Congress. I think Murtha has been very helpful in this election.

[B Calm]

33. Hoyer is Bush choice for Majority Leader. He did invite him to lunch..

[cali]

34. Silly Wabbit

hoyer went to the WH as part of the current dem House leadership. Pretty simple, huh?